Alert! New bill SITSA will ban research chems, nootropics, kratom, brain sups

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  1. Alert! New bill SITSA will ban research chems, nootropics, kratom, brain sups


    "“6)Schedule A (A)In general The drug or substance—

    (i)has—

    (I)a chemical structure that is substantially similar to the chemical structure of a controlled substance in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V; and

    (II)an actual or predicted stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system that is substantially similar to or greater than the stimulant, depressant, or hallucinogenic effect on the central nervous system of a controlled substance in schedule I, II, III, IV, or V"



    So anything that is stimulating, relaxing, or possibly psychoactive that works can be made into a schedule drug within 30 days without the normal procedures for drug scheduling that usually involves the FDA and Department of Health and Human Services,. This covers pretty much all brain supplements, nootropics, and research chemicals. With this we will never see a new brain supplement and nearly all can be removed with a whim.



    Here's the full bill. Edit links not allowed. But it's pinned in the reddit's subs for nootropics and supplements.



    To anyone who values their legal right to access research chemicals, nootropics, brain supplements, kratom, CBD, this is the time to do something. It just cleared the house and the senate is up next after that there is no stopping it.


  2. Any timeframe as to when this may pass senate?
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  3. Less than a month.

  4. Great news
    Kratom , Phenibut etc..
    users go to doctor and getting drugs legality to support drugs companies
    or support the black market marijuana coca etc..
    or get be strong and face your life issues

  5. Remember folks,big gov't knows what's best for us and will make those choices for us.

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  6. Definitely an issue that will have big consequences to those of us that do not believe big pharma should have any control of our lives if passed.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DE.6 View Post
    Great news
    Kratom , Phenibut etc..
    users go to doctor and getting drugs legality to support drugs companies
    or support the black market marijuana coca etc..
    or get be strong and face your life issues
    Kratom is basically a herb, it's not a drug. But I'm sure they can push it through as a drug, raise the price 10x and doctors will prescribe it.

  8. Looks like it's already having an effect. Some retailers are starting to close their doors now. Pretty pissed about this.

    We'll still likely be able to source from overseas but having domestic expedited shipping and service is so much better.

  9. Can we just give them back pot in exchange for leaving us alone?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    Looks like it's already having an effect. Some retailers are starting to close their doors now. Pretty pissed about this.

    We'll still likely be able to source from overseas but having domestic expedited shipping and service is so much better.
    I don't see how since it'll all be controlled illegal drugs.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Standup View Post
    I don't see how since it'll all be controlled illegal drugs.
    Same way people order AAS or prescriptions drugs from overseas.

    Prescription drugs, so long as they aren't opiates/etc, pass through customs completely fine too. Nothing illegal about importing small amounts of prescription drugs, even without a prescription.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    Same way people order AAS or prescriptions drugs from overseas.

    Prescription drugs, so long as they aren't opiates/etc, pass through customs completely fine too. Nothing illegal about importing small amounts of prescription drugs, even without a prescription.
    Wait really?

    Its not illegal to use the mail to buy prescription drugs from overseas even tho you have no prescription?!??

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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    Same way people order AAS or prescriptions drugs from overseas.

    Prescription drugs, so long as they aren't opiates/etc, pass through customs completely fine too. Nothing illegal about importing small amounts of prescription drugs, even without a prescription.
    All chemicals that are psychoactive can be make illegal within 30 days by the DEA. So all brain supplements, nootropics, and yes prescription drugs can be made into this category. It's no different than GHB legal with a script (but schedule 3) illegal (schedule 1) without one.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Standup View Post
    All chemicals that are psychoactive can be make illegal within 30 days by the DEA. So all brain supplements, nootropics, and yes prescription drugs can be made into this category. It's no different than GHB legal with a script (but schedule 3) illegal (schedule 1) without one.
    I order certain prescription drugs from overseas all the time and they pass through customs fine. My packages are almost always opened by customs too as they attach a checklist inside typically. I don't quite see why you're grouping GHB in this list. It is NOT the same as aromasin, tianeptine, adrafanil, noopept, etc. It's a schedule 1 drug and considered a date rape drug. It's scheduled VERY differently, as are benzos.... Not the same at all. Nootropics may become scheduled but will never be in the same class as narcotics.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    I order certain prescription drugs from overseas all the time and they pass through customs fine. My packages are almost always opened by customs too as they attach a checklist inside typically. I don't quite see why you're grouping GHB in this list. It is NOT the same as aromasin, tianeptine, adrafanil, noopept, etc. It's a schedule 1 drug and considered a date rape drug. It's scheduled VERY differently, as are benzos.... Not the same at all. Nootropics may become scheduled but will never be in the same class as narcotics.
    GHB was a natural supplement it's in the brain and related to GABA but can be abused so it was made illegal schedule 1 but also made an FDA approved drug schedule 3. With this new law the DEA can made anything even just with predicted psychoactive effects to be scheduled. This will be used against most nootropics including ones that naturally occur in the brain which is bs. The chemicals in my brain should never be scheduled.
  17. Alert! New bill SITSA will ban research chems, nootropics, kratom, brain sups


    Quote Originally Posted by Standup View Post
    GHB was a natural supplement it's in the brain and related to GABA but can be abused so it was made illegal schedule 1 but also made an FDA approved drug schedule 3. With this new law the DEA can made anything even just with predicted psychoactive effects to be scheduled. This will be used against most nootropics including ones that naturally occur in the brain which is bs. The chemicals in my brain should never be scheduled.
    If that was the case, then caffeine would be scheduled already, but it’s not. Noots will not become schedule 1 narcotics like heroin and coke. GHB is also not naturally in your brain. It massively boosts something that is in your brain (gaba) but it is far from being natural. That’s like saying cocaine is naturally in the brain because it raises dopamine...

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    If that was the case, then caffeine would be scheduled already, but it’s not. Noots will not become schedule 1 narcotics like heroin and coke. GHB is also not naturally in your brain. It massively boosts something that is in your brain (gaba) but it is far from being natural. That’s like saying cocaine is naturally in the brain because it raises dopamine...
    GHB is a natural metabolite of GABA and is in meats, drinks, and in your body. Read up man. It's why it was sold as a supplement in the 90's because it was a supplement. Just too strong and some abused it.

    I doubt the DEA would go after caf since the US economy depends on it but kava, brain supplements they don't care about those. No more than sarms or serms.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Standup View Post
    GHB is a natural metabolite of GABA and is in meats, drinks, and in your body. Read up man. It's why it was sold as a supplement in the 90's because it was a supplement. Just too strong and some abused it.

    I doubt the DEA would go after caf since the US economy depends on it but kava, brain supplements they don't care about those. No more than sarms or serms.
    Kratom is (obviously) the primary target here. Kava could be a next step, but I don't really see them caring much at all about "natural" nootropics or "brain supplements." Grey market things maybe, but even things like racetams likely aren't on anyone's radar, at least not significantly.

    I also don't see the relevance of GHB here. Natural or otherwise, it's entirely possible for something natural to be scheduled/illegal, like cocaine for example. GHB's use as a date rape drug is clearly problematic. It's one thing for people to abuse a drug themselves, it's another for them to use it to abuse another person against their will, without their knowledge. Major difference from an ethical/moral perspective really.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post

    I also don't see the relevance of GHB here. Natural or otherwise, it's entirely possible for something natural to be scheduled/illegal, like cocaine for example.
    Right, exactly. But there's a clear difference between many psychoactive 'natural' substances. Caffeine for one, will never be scheduled. Yet it clearly exerts a psychoactive effect. I don't think the majority of nootropics are in danger, especially since their effects are so subdued in comparison to the slew of legal stimulants out there.

  21. Speaking of G, does anyone here remember the 'supplement' called Neurobalance? lol that stuff was great, but was basically G and didn't last very long on shelves. That's the kinda stuff I can't believe companies get away with or even try to mass produce in the first place.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Kratom is (obviously) the primary target here. Kava could be a next step, but I don't really see them caring much at all about "natural" nootropics or "brain supplements." Grey market things maybe, but even things like racetams likely aren't on anyone's radar, at least not significantly.

    I also don't see the relevance of GHB here. Natural or otherwise, it's entirely possible for something natural to be scheduled/illegal, like cocaine for example. GHB's use as a date rape drug is clearly problematic. It's one thing for people to abuse a drug themselves, it's another for them to use it to abuse another person against their will, without their knowledge. Major difference from an ethical/moral perspective really.
    I think the issue is that this opens the doors for anything they consider having pschoactive effects and we know the DEA and our govt is not really in the business of doing right by it's citizens if money is involved. Kratom is obviously in grave danger, but as we've seen with piracetam, retailers are going to be leery to carry items because of speculation on what could be.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Kratom is (obviously) the primary target here. Kava could be a next step, but I don't really see them caring much at all about "natural" nootropics or "brain supplements." Grey market things maybe, but even things like racetams likely aren't on anyone's radar, at least not significantly.

    I also don't see the relevance of GHB here. Natural or otherwise, it's entirely possible for something natural to be scheduled/illegal, like cocaine for example. GHB's use as a date rape drug is clearly problematic. It's one thing for people to abuse a drug themselves, it's another for them to use it to abuse another person against their will, without their knowledge. Major difference from an ethical/moral perspective really.
    Obvious? No one can know that purpose of the law aside the writers but we can review it's implications. It states to target opioid acting drugs but was expanded to cover any chemical that acts or is predicted to act like a stim, relaxant, or psychoactive.This law is designed to remove the protection of substance that normally require many agencies not just the DEA and enables the DEA to go after whatever they want.

    What a drug may be abused for has little bearing on GHB's value as a supplement or drug for medical use. Same as kratom it helps people and those people who need it should have access. I don't believe the DEA should create a dual schedule for a natural brain chemical. I do see a difference between something that can be found in a plant rather than in my own body. Sure they can control it but not make it impossible for people who benefit from them medically to have access. What's next making genes illegal?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    Right, exactly. But there's a clear difference between many psychoactive 'natural' substances. Caffeine for one, will never be scheduled. Yet it clearly exerts a psychoactive effect. I don't think the majority of nootropics are in danger, especially since their effects are so subdued in comparison to the slew of legal stimulants out there.
    GHB is something you make every day and consume in foods and drinks. You require it to live and function. I don't get the stigmas people have over what some people choose to do with it in high doses anymore than alcohol.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Outofbody View Post
    Speaking of G, does anyone here remember the 'supplement' called Neurobalance? lol that stuff was great, but was basically G and didn't last very long on shelves. That's the kinda stuff I can't believe companies get away with or even try to mass produce in the first place.
    Why not? It met the definition of dietary supplement and had alot of research on it's effects on HGH. Alot safer than alcohol at clinically studied doses. Obviously this has nothing to do with overdoses or impure products.
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