Propranolol

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    You can buy it online for $8 without a script.
    You can buy crack too. Doesn't mean I recommend it.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    You can buy crack too. Doesn't mean I recommend it.
    This is a licensed pharmacy. I would recommend it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    This is a licensed pharmacy. I would recommend it.
    Enjoy the loophole while it lasts. People like you who exploit drugs meant to help people and give them to everyone, including kids, is what gives pharmacology a bad name and make it harder for actual patients in need. The ability to google might help you fool people online about what you actual "know", but it's no match for actual lab and clinical experience.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Enjoy the loophole while it lasts. People like you who exploit drugs meant to help people and give them to everyone, including kids, is what gives pharmacology a bad name and make it harder for actual patients in need. The ability to google might help you fool people online about what you actual "know", but it's no match for actual lab and clinical experience.
    Enjoy helping people who want to better themselves? I do everyday. Thanks. Everyone should benefit from research. If something is safe and effective there's little reason not to try something to improve yourself or enhance yourself.

    You have no idea what you're beginning to talk about. People should be able to access whatever they need for treating themselves and improving their health. Millions suffer and die in the US because of restrictions on access to various treatments.

    Most doctors are salesmen ineffectively treating patients with outdated research and palliative approaches. Patients should never blindly trust their doctors. They should make their own decision based on research.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by NeuroTropic View Post
    Enjoy helping people who want to better themselves? I do everyday. Thanks. Everyone should benefit from research. If something is safe and effective there's little reason not to try something to improve yourself or enhance yourself.

    You have no idea what you're beginning to talk about. People should be able to access whatever they need for treating themselves and improving their health. Millions suffer and die in the US because of restrictions on access to various treatments.

    Most doctors are salesmen ineffectively treating patients with outdated research and palliative approaches. Patients should never blindly trust their doctors. They should make their own decision based on research.
    Googling isn't research. The fact that you're regurgitating the typical crap about big bad pharma and doctors being salesmen clearly tells me you have no actual idea how the medical profession works and are getting your information off of the internet. Any realible physician will tell you to always get a second opinion, but online "experts" who have no real world experience and tell you to not trust physicians, but to trust them are complete frauds.

    Beta-blockers are low risk, but not without side effects as no medication is. There is a huge difference between suggesting somebody discuss the potential for use with their physician who knows what their existing conditions and treatments are and blindly telling people that there is a one-size-fits-all answer.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    Googling isn't research. The fact that you're regurgitating the typical crap about big bad pharma and doctors being salesmen clearly tells me you have no actual idea how the medical profession works and are getting your information off of the internet. Any realible physician will tell you to always get a second opinion, but online "experts" who have no real world experience and tell you to not trust physicians, but to trust them are complete frauds.

    Beta-blockers are low risk, but not without side effects as no medication is. There is a huge difference between suggesting somebody discuss the potential for use with their physician who knows what their existing conditions and treatments are and blindly telling people that there is a one-size-fits-all answer.
    I didn't suggest people google.

    I've worked in the medical industry and have an M.D. on my staff so I'm quite familiar.

    Nothing is risk free going to the gym is a risk in hurting yourself. Many people die everyday of Tylenol yet doctors recommend it all the same. Breathing in gasoline vapor at the gas station, playing very loud music, eating fast food, etc all these things can damage us and typically do in the long run much more than taking a nootropic or drug to improve your test scores or reduce anxiety prior to a performance. Either the risk is worth the payoff or it's not. Only one way to find out and it may change your life for the better dramatically. Or you never try it and miss out on a vastly improved life.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    What dose Atenolol? I have some that I have used before speeches as well but it never seemed to help.

    A low dose of Klonopin helps calm me, but makes it difficult to put thoughts together so that doesn't help any.
    My PCP told me it works best to take a dose approximatley 12-20 hrs before the actual presentation. In my case, I take 25mg at least 12 hrs before the event. I then take an additional 12.5mg approximately 2 hrs before the actual presentation.

    Interesting that Inderal is probably more beneficial due to its ability to cross the BBB. I probably have a favorable outcome due to atenolols’ ability to keep my heart rate in check. Increased heart rate equals increased anxiety and shortness of breath. With these symptoms kept at bay, I am able to just focus on what I am trying to present to my audience instead of these overwhelming outside symptoms of anxiety.

    As well as atenolol has worked for me, I will most likely request a trial of Inderal as it seems to be the preferred choice for these purposes..

  8. I left a message for my doctor trying to get a prescription for this without an office visit, the receptionist seemed to think there was no way he would with a new medication but he has done it for me before. I'd like to get it within a day or two to try out for my finals these next two weeks. I will post in here what happens if I get the chance to try it out.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Voldyne View Post
    My PCP told me it works best to take a dose approximatley 12-20 hrs before the actual presentation. In my case, I take 25mg at least 12 hrs before the event. I then take an additional 12.5mg approximately 2 hrs before the actual presentation.
    Not sure about that as the effects seem to kick in around 90 min or so after ingestion, but I guess it is possible as it is very long lasting. When I initially said it lasted about 10 hours, it did carry into the next day on both occasions as I woke up very relaxed and held some really productive WebEx meetings. One was with a national hospital that was having an outage affecting access to medical records and we had maybe 20 people on in crisis mode, but I was able to very calmly pull in necessary resources, explain the action plan, and moderate technical resources delivering information to non-technical resources. I do this work daily, but I definitely noticed a much more collected thought process and the frantic situation had little effect on me.

    There is very little doubt in my mind that this could bring people to another level in their careers or in their studies.

  10. Well, I guess I'm actually overdue for my next Doctor visit. Lol I will make an appointment in the morning and talk to him about the Propranolol.

    For now, I will take two Atenolol before my exam tomorrow and see what happens.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    Well, I guess I'm actually overdue for my next Doctor visit. Lol I will make an appointment in the morning and talk to him about the Propranolol.

    For now, I will take two Atenolol before my exam tomorrow and see what happens.
    If you can't get it through them feel free to send me a pm.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Not sure about that as the effects seem to kick in around 90 min or so after ingestion, but I guess it is possible as it is very long lasting. When I initially said it lasted about 10 hours, it did carry into the next day on both occasions as I woke up very relaxed and held some really productive WebEx meetings. One was with a national hospital that was having an outage affecting access to medical records and we had maybe 20 people on in crisis mode, but I was able to very calmly pull in necessary resources, explain the action plan, and moderate technical resources delivering information to non-technical resources. I do this work daily, but I definitely noticed a much more collected thought process and the frantic situation had little effect on me.

    There is very little doubt in my mind that this could bring people to another level in their careers or in their studies.
    Some people don’t seem to be bothered by large groups or the pressure of presentations/public speaking. I am certainly not one of them and never have been. It’s difficult to say the least, to do you best job doing a presentation when you can’t even catch your breath enough to speak. The other option would always be to do whatever possible to avoid the situation, even if it would count against me. Either scenario is no fun and ends up hurting you in the long run. Taking these beta blockers helps tremendously in facing these situations and building confidence.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Voldyne View Post
    Some people don’t seem to be bothered by large groups or the pressure of presentations/public speaking. I am certainly not one of them and never have been. It’s difficult to say the least, to do you best job doing a presentation when you can’t even catch your breath enough to speak. The other option would always be to do whatever possible to avoid the situation, even if it would count against me. Either scenario is no fun and ends up hurting you in the long run. Taking these beta blockers helps tremendously in facing these situations and building confidence.
    Man, I really need this right now. Have a large meeting tomorrow (pre-bid in front of about 50 contractors) and currently trying to get out of it. Really hoping my boss doesn't need me there. As a back-up, I've sent a message to my doctor trying to get a prescription for propranolol today. Since my mom and brother already take it for tremors, I might be able to get away with not making an appointment first (which there isn't time for with their backlog). If not, I'll have to rely on something already on hand (phenibut or l-theanine...neither of which are ideal since they make me really tired even at low doses).

  14. Does Metoprolol work the same as propranolol?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Man, I really need this right now. Have a large meeting tomorrow (pre-bid in front of about 50 contractors) and currently trying to get out of it. Really hoping my boss doesn't need me there. As a back-up, I've sent a message to my doctor trying to get a prescription for propranolol today. Since my mom and brother already take it for tremors, I might be able to get away with not making an appointment first (which there isn't time for with their backlog). If not, I'll have to rely on something already on hand (phenibut or l-theanine...neither of which are ideal since they make me really tired even at low doses).
    Yeah, I surely would borrow some from your family if the script does not happen today...good luck!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Voldyne View Post
    Yeah, I surely would borrow some from your family if the script does not happen today...good luck!
    Wish I could. Brother doesn't live nearby and Mom is out of town on vacation (and took it with her). Keeping my fingers crossed the doctor comes through. He's a great doctor, so there's a chance I could get it without actually having an appointment. If not, I know he'd prescribe it for me if I make an appointment (just not in time for tomorrow's meeting).

  17. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Wish I could. Brother doesn't live nearby and Mom is out of town on vacation (and took it with her). Keeping my fingers crossed the doctor comes through. He's a great doctor, so there's a chance I could get it without actually having an appointment. If not, I know he'd prescribe it for me if I make an appointment (just not in time for tomorrow's meeting).
    Are you with an Owner or GC?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Does Metoprolol work the same as propranolol?
    Metoprolol is more selective than propranolol, but is also used for anxiety.
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  19. Be careful if you take any of these and you have asthma!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    Are you with an Owner or GC?
    Design consultant for the owner (if you're asking what I think you're asking). Soliciting bids for a pretty big project.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Design consultant for the owner (if you're asking what I think you're asking). Soliciting bids for a pretty big project.
    Yeah it makes sense. I’m on the GC side of it, I’ve never been apart of pre bid other than competitions in school responding to RFQs and RFPs.

  22. I just got a prescription for 80mg ER Propranolol.. I am assuming most people use the instant release? I wonder if and how the ER will differ.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    I just got a prescription for 80mg ER Propranolol.. I am assuming most people use the instant release? I wonder if and how the ER will differ.
    Did you see your GP or a specialist? My doctor wants me to see a neurologist first before prescribing it (which I can't really blame him for since he likely wants to rule out other more serious conditions first....even with my family history).

  24. Quote Originally Posted by rascal14 View Post
    I just got a prescription for 80mg ER Propranolol.. I am assuming most people use the instant release? I wonder if and how the ER will differ.
    That's what I use. The ER is more of a take one in the morning and go on about your day and can be taken every day. The immediate release, you would want to wait until about an hour before you're going to do something that you know will make you anxious.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Did you see your GP or a specialist? My doctor wants me to see a neurologist first before prescribing it (which I can't really blame him for since he likely wants to rule out other more serious conditions first....even with my family history).
    It was my GP. He is very good and I’m lucky he listens to my suggestions, but he’s also very liberal with the prescriptions he gives and I don’t even fill about half of them. Lol
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