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    What is the best single ingredient nootropic or nootropic supplement to enhance mood and to help increase the feeling of happiness?

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  2. Have you tried NootropiMax yet? It gives me a nice clean mood boost. I have handed out a ton at work and everyone enjoys it. We might have some samples available too.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Have you tried NootropiMax yet? It gives me a nice clean mood boost. I have handed out a ton at work and everyone enjoys it. We might have some samples available too.
    Was pretty good for improved mood. Op check my log on it. I don't have any other experience with noots to compare it to. But I can say without a doubt it put me in a better mood and made me relax a bit more. I waiting for clear edge be to re-released so I can compare them

  4. Not really a nootropic but kratom does a great job of increasing mood. I've also recently started trying Vicaine and it also does a great job of increasing mood.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Not really a nootropic but kratom does a great job of increasing mood. I've also recently started trying Vicaine and it also does a great job of increasing mood.
    It depends on what OP is looking for; something that can be taken daily that will improve mood and also provide nootropic benefits, or something that shouldn't be taken more than a few time per week, and does carry a higher risk for dependence/abuse/etc.

    Now, that's not saying there's anything wrong with kratom or Vicaine, as I have enjoyed both, but that they may not fit the bill of what OP is looking for, and are a different beast entirely compared to a nootropic that you can take daily.

    OP, are you looking for something to take daily that will provide mood benefits as well as nootropic effects?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    It depends on what OP is looking for; something that can be taken daily that will improve mood and also provide nootropic benefits, or something that shouldn't be taken more than a few time per week, and does carry a higher risk for dependence/abuse/etc.

    Now, that's not saying there's anything wrong with kratom or Vicaine, as I have enjoyed both, but that they may not fit the bill of what OP is looking for, and are a different beast entirely compared to a nootropic that you can take daily.

    OP, are you looking for something to take daily that will provide mood benefits as well as nootropic effects?
    Of course it depends on what OP is looking for. Since they didn't clarify, people are going to throw out ideas (like nootropimax with it's high caffeine content...which I would argue isn't suitable for daily use either as a result). I think most would assume anyone that posts such a question wouldn't just blindly take anything recommended but instead do their own research to see if it fits their needs.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    What is the best single ingredient nootropic or nootropic supplement to enhance mood and to help increase the feeling of happiness?

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    Ive had experience with quite a few. . I did Piracetam the granddaddy of all nootropics, mixed with choline, for three months nine years ago and logged my thoughts here. Smeton's Piracetam log

    Hindsight is 20/20 but I dont know if it did anything. There are some studies on piracetam being the most researched nootropic and they looked promising . I simply dont know if it did anything, difficult to tell.

    Ive done a log on sulbutiamine, maybe 2006 here. Dont know if that did anything, at the time I think it did.

    Theres so many things that can be considered nootropics. If they can help someone great, I dont feel I need them now a days
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Of course it depends on what OP is looking for. Since they didn't clarify, people are going to throw out ideas (like nootropimax with it's high caffeine content...which I would argue isn't suitable for daily use either as a result). I think most would assume anyone that posts such a question wouldn't just blindly take anything recommended but instead do their own research to see if it fits their needs.
    I've gone into great detail regarding the caffeine content, and have posted numerous studies supporting my claims that the caffeine content of something like NootropiMax is not prohibitive of daily use, and, despite what some people (or someone) would have you believe, moderate daily caffeine consumption (which the amount in NootropiMax falls under) is NOT detrimental in regards to long-term cognition, and may even be the opposite. If someone is very sensitive to caffeine, then having ~250mg caffeine may not be ideal, and a lot of people may want to take breaks from caffeine sometimes (which would mean it's fine to use daily as long as you take a break once in a while), but it is in no way an unhealthy dose, or a dose that will have a negative impact on cognition over time. It's 2-3 cups of coffee equivalent caffeine content. Should you take it the same day as a PWO with 350mg caffeine? Probably not, but you shouldn't really combine a stimulant fat burner with a strong PWO; does that mean that the fat burner inherently isn't good for daily use? No, it doesn't.

    If you're going to try to tell me that using NootropiMax daily carries the same potential risks/drawbacks as using kratom/Vicaine daily, and/or is equally as "unsuitable" for daily use, then there's no point in even carrying on this conversation; even the people making/selling Vicaine/kratom will tell you you probably shouldn't use them daily.

    Again, I'm not knocking kratom or Vicaine at all. I have used kratom many times and enjoy it, and have also used Vicaine a few times and enjoyed it as well, and I respect MA and have enjoyed talking with him. In fact, I use NootropiMax daily, and sometimes will have some kratom in the evening, or will use Vicaine on certain rare occasions instead of NootropiMax (I don't recommend combining the two).

    I apologize if I misread/misinterpreted your post/intentions, but I've just seen a lot of people lately comparing things that are in no way similar (not singling you out), like people saying cocaine isn't that bad, and people comparing LSD to caffeine and suggesting it's a good alternative to it. I just want to make it known to anyone who may be reading this and may not be that educated on the subject, that kratom and Vicaine are entirely different beasts than something like NootropiMax or any other basic nootropic supplement.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    It depends on what OP is looking for; something that can be taken daily that will improve mood and also provide nootropic benefits, or something that shouldn't be taken more than a few time per week, and does carry a higher risk for dependence/abuse/etc.

    Now, that's not saying there's anything wrong with kratom or Vicaine, as I have enjoyed both, but that they may not fit the bill of what OP is looking for, and are a different beast entirely compared to a nootropic that you can take daily.

    OP, are you looking for something to take daily that will provide mood benefits as well as nootropic effects?
    I'm looking for something that I can easily take daily to make me happier and improve my general cognition.

    Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Have you tried NootropiMax yet? It gives me a nice clean mood boost. I have handed out a ton at work and everyone enjoys it. We might have some samples available too.
    It's on my 'To Try' list but I'm on a caffeine/stims break at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Of course it depends on what OP is looking for. Since they didn't clarify, people are going to throw out ideas (like nootropimax with it's high caffeine content...which I would argue isn't suitable for daily use either as a result). I think most would assume anyone that posts such a question wouldn't just blindly take anything recommended but instead do their own research to see if it fits their needs.
    As I said above, I just want something to make me happier and improve my general cognition. I'm looking at NooPept, as it seems to be popular but after researching into it there doesn't seem to be any overall conclusion...Which is why I posted this thread.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    I've gone into great detail regarding the caffeine content, and have posted numerous studies supporting my claims that the caffeine content of something like NootropiMax is not prohibitive of daily use, and, despite what some people (or someone) would have you believe, moderate daily caffeine consumption (which the amount in NootropiMax falls under) is NOT detrimental in regards to long-term cognition, and may even be the opposite. If someone is very sensitive to caffeine, then having ~250mg caffeine may not be ideal, and a lot of people may want to take breaks from caffeine sometimes (which would mean it's fine to use daily as long as you take a break once in a while), but it is in no way an unhealthy dose, or a dose that will have a negative impact on cognition over time. It's 2-3 cups of coffee equivalent caffeine content. Should you take it the same day as a PWO with 350mg caffeine? Probably not, but you shouldn't really combine a stimulant fat burner with a strong PWO; does that mean that the fat burner inherently isn't good for daily use? No, it doesn't.

    If you're going to try to tell me that using NootropiMax daily carries the same potential risks/drawbacks as using kratom/Vicaine daily, and/or is equally as "unsuitable" for daily use, then there's no point in even carrying on this conversation; even the people making/selling Vicaine/kratom will tell you you probably shouldn't use them daily.

    Again, I'm not knocking kratom or Vicaine at all. I have used kratom many times and enjoy it, and have also used Vicaine a few times and enjoyed it as well, and I respect MA and have enjoyed talking with him. In fact, I use NootropiMax daily, and sometimes will have some kratom in the evening, or will use Vicaine on certain rare occasions instead of NootropiMax (I don't recommend combining the two).

    I apologize if I misread/misinterpreted your post/intentions, but I've just seen a lot of people lately comparing things that are in no way similar (not singling you out), like people saying cocaine isn't that bad, and people comparing LSD to caffeine and suggesting it's a good alternative to it. I just want to make it known to anyone who may be reading this and may not be that educated on the subject, that kratom and Vicaine are entirely different beasts than something like NootropiMax or any other basic nootropic supplement.
    Good thing I took some kratom before responding (and reading your last paragraph) and am in a much better mood now. Definitely no need to turn this into another nootropimax vs nootrol thread with discussions on caffeine.

    My point about nootropimax was that it was recommended before asking if OP has anxiety issues, blood pressure issues, etc. Things that might react poorly to large amounts of caffeine. So, just asking if they're looking for something to take daily or occasionally doesn't cover everything either. At some point you have to assume they'll look into things further and make a decision based on their needs and how they respond to similar items. That being said, I will admit that I respond very poorly to caffeine but the one sample I tried of nootropimax didn't seem to aggravate things (even though one capsule is 3 times the amount of caffeine I can usually tolerate) and it did provide a subtle increase in mood.

    I don't think we disagree on anything here...you're just taking a more proactive approach than most by getting more information before providing a recommendation. I don't do that and assume (rightfully or wrongly) that others research things sufficiently (like I do) before blindly trying something that was recommended.

  11. I've been taking our Veinquish which is a non stim fat burner but with the 7-keto and Ashwagandha really elevate the mood.

    Solid dose and value for very long term use.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Good thing I took some kratom before responding (and reading your last paragraph) and am in a much better mood now. Definitely no need to turn this into another nootropimax vs nootrol thread with discussions on caffeine.

    My point about nootropimax was that it was recommended before asking if OP has anxiety issues, blood pressure issues, etc. Things that might react poorly to large amounts of caffeine. So, just asking if they're looking for something to take daily or occasionally doesn't cover everything either. At some point you have to assume they'll look into things further and make a decision based on their needs and how they respond to similar items. That being said, I will admit that I respond very poorly to caffeine but the one sample I tried of nootropimax didn't seem to aggravate things (even though one capsule is 3 times the amount of caffeine I can usually tolerate) and it did provide a subtle increase in mood.

    I don't think we disagree on anything here...you're just taking a more proactive approach than most by getting more information before providing a recommendation. I don't do that and assume (rightfully or wrongly) that others research things sufficiently (like I do) before blindly trying something that was recommended.
    Haha, yeah, I don't think we really disagree on anything here either. I suppose I was, as you said, being more proactive in making sure people were aware of the nature of kratom/Vicaine and the respect/caution that they really need to be treated with (people not respecting them is one reason why things get banned). I would hope that most people would be able to look at the supplement facts for something like NootropiMax and see if the caffeine content is fine for them (at 1 or 2 caps; or for the stim-fiends that like 3 haha) although there are other ingredients that should help "balance" the potential negative effects of caffeine. However, with something like kratom or tianeptine, simply looking at the supplement facts won't really paint the entire picture of the potential for addiction/dependence/abuse they may carry, so I wanted to make sure that anyone reading this doesn't just go out and buy some kratom/tianeptine/etc and start using it daily. Granted, I'd also hope that people would do at least basic research before buying/using something (not saying that OP doesn't, as there are likely other new people who may be reading this thread at some point), but you never know haha.

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  13. Any other products recommended besides Nootropimax? Unfortunately I wasn't a responder to the product despite running the whole bottle :/

  14. Quote Originally Posted by justhere4comm View Post
    I've been taking our Veinquish which is a non stim fat burner but with the 7-keto and Ashwagandha really elevate the mood.

    Solid dose and value for very long term use.
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  16. Does anyone have any other suggestions? A mood elevating nootropic would be very versatile. Pre workout, at work, chores, etc.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Does anyone have any other suggestions? A mood elevating nootropic would be very versatile. Pre workout, at work, chores, etc.
    Hmm... there aren't really that many nootropic supplements I'd recommend or personally use. We've already mentioned NootropiMax, and Focus XT is another pretty good basic nootropic supplement that you could always add things like adaptogens and/or racetams to if you wanted even more (caffeine or caffeine free). Clear Edge is another option without caffeine (I actually will sometimes combine 1 cap of NootropiMax with 2 caps of Clear Edge 2x daily to give me two doses of lower/mild caffeine and plenty of nootropic ingredients/doses).
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    Hmm... there aren't really that many nootropic supplements I'd recommend or personally use. We've already mentioned NootropiMax, and Focus XT is another pretty good basic nootropic supplement that you could always add things like adaptogens and/or racetams to if you wanted even more (caffeine or caffeine free). Clear Edge is another option without caffeine (I actually will sometimes combine 1 cap of NootropiMax with 2 caps of Clear Edge 2x daily to give me two doses of lower/mild caffeine and plenty of nootropic ingredients/doses).
    Clear edge is back in stock? It looks a bit pricey. Cheapest I'm finding is ~$50. What effects do you notice from taking just clear edge? It looks interesting! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Clear edge is back in stock? It looks a bit pricey. Cheapest I'm finding is ~$50. What effects do you notice from taking just clear edge? It looks interesting! Thanks!
    I bought one bottle back when it was on pre-sale, no idea if it's on sale now really. Honestly, I feel having it and NootropiMax gives me the ultimate nootropic stack and flexibility in dosing. If I want no stimulants I can just use Clear Edge, if I want decent stims I'll just use NootropiMax, and if I want low stims, I'll use half of each. This has allowed me to not use much Clear Edge at all (conserving it since it's apparently pretty rare haha). I honestly can't comment on how I like it for a run on its own, since I'm using it as a supplement to, or an occasional replacement for, another Nootropic product. They do have a few of the same ingredients though, like bacopa (which should be taken daily), so regardless of how I use/combine the two I get my full daily dose of bacopa. Both also have CDP-Choline and huperzine-A, which go well together too. It should be able to improve focus and cognition acutely to a degree, and continue to improve with regular use. Some mood improvements and reductions in stress may also come as well (bacopa may help with this), but I wouldn't expect much/any "energy" you'd feel from something like caffeine or other stimulants. Mental energy may be improved though, so that's a potential plus. If I'm being entirely honest, NootropiMax and Clear Edge are the only two nootropic supplements I've paid for in a long time; if I had to pick just one it'd be NootropiMax (both because I like the caffeine/theacrine/theanine/ornithine combo and because I think it's a bit more affordable), but I am also confident recommending Clear Edge for someone who either wants no/little caffeine or just doesn't respond well to NootropiMax (although I can't really guarantee you will respond well to Clear Edge or any product for that matter). Focus XT is also another alternative that I think is a lot easier on the wallet than Clear Edge but still has a pretty solid profile.

    Hopefully that helps. You could always go the individual ingredient route and see what works best for you. I have suggestions for that route too haha.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    I bought one bottle back when it was on pre-sale, no idea if it's on sale now really. Honestly, I feel having it and NootropiMax gives me the ultimate nootropic stack and flexibility in dosing. If I want no stimulants I can just use Clear Edge, if I want decent stims I'll just use NootropiMax, and if I want low stims, I'll use half of each. This has allowed me to not use much Clear Edge at all (conserving it since it's apparently pretty rare haha). I honestly can't comment on how I like it for a run on its own, since I'm using it as a supplement to, or an occasional replacement for, another Nootropic product. They do have a few of the same ingredients though, like bacopa (which should be taken daily), so regardless of how I use/combine the two I get my full daily dose of bacopa. Both also have CDP-Choline and huperzine-A, which go well together too. It should be able to improve focus and cognition acutely to a degree, and continue to improve with regular use. Some mood improvements and reductions in stress may also come as well (bacopa may help with this), but I wouldn't expect much/any "energy" you'd feel from something like caffeine or other stimulants. Mental energy may be improved though, so that's a potential plus. If I'm being entirely honest, NootropiMax and Clear Edge are the only two nootropic supplements I've paid for in a long time; if I had to pick just one it'd be NootropiMax (both because I like the caffeine/theacrine/theanine/ornithine combo and because I think it's a bit more affordable), but I am also confident recommending Clear Edge for someone who either wants no/little caffeine or just doesn't respond well to NootropiMax (although I can't really guarantee you will respond well to Clear Edge or any product for that matter). Focus XT is also another alternative that I think is a lot easier on the wallet than Clear Edge but still has a pretty solid profile.

    Hopefully that helps. You could always go the individual ingredient route and see what works best for you. I have suggestions for that route too haha.
    Thanks for all of that man! I really appreciate the insight. I might have to give it a whirl to see how I respond. Thanks again!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    Thanks for all of that man! I really appreciate the insight. I might have to give it a whirl to see how I respond. Thanks again!
    No problem. I'm a big nootropic fan, so I'm happy to help.
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  22. For someone that is clinically depressed, or no? If someone has MDD, supplements aren't going to do much and that's something you need to discuss with your doctor. Exercise, stress relief and medication can be very effective MDD or PDD/dysthmia.

    Otherwise, I haven't found much in the way of improving mood by supps. Caffeine and NALT work short-term because the dopamine boost, but after a few days the effects seem to be negligible. Cdp-choline, not much unfortunately. Maybe a little focus but mood-wise not much.

    Ashwagandha seems to work for some, not me unfortunately.

    Honestly the first thing that comes to mind is micro-dose psychedelics.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by pbandy1 View Post
    For someone that is clinically depressed, or no? If someone has MDD, supplements aren't going to do much and that's something you need to discuss with your doctor. Exercise, stress relief and medication can be very effective MDD or PDD/dysthmia.

    Otherwise, I haven't found much in the way of improving mood by supps. Caffeine and NALT work short-term because the dopamine boost, but after a few days the effects seem to be negligible. Cdp-choline, not much unfortunately. Maybe a little focus but mood-wise not much.

    Ashwagandha seems to work for some, not me unfortunately.

    Honestly the first thing that comes to mind is micro-dose psychedelics.
    No supplement is intended to treat/cure clinical depression; they're not even allowed to claim to do that. Also, the vast majority of promising research on tyrosine was using l-tyrosine, and the research comparing LT to NALT shows that LT is superior. Ashwagandha is a good option, and rhodiola is another option too.

    As for psychedelics, that's really a different beast entirely. You inherently run a higher chance of abuse/addiction/etc with these drugs than you do with normal nootropic products, so extra care/caution/respect should be taken as to not dose too high or too often. Using psychedelics to improve mood should certainly be effective, haha, but caution should be taken, and I feel a responsibility to point this out to anyone who may be reading this, that while they can certainly be used safely and responsibly, there are naturally going to be more potential risks involved, and more care/caution should be taken when using them compared to your normal nootropic supplements.

    Again, I'm not intending to sound like a buzz kill or a broken record, or to attack you at all, it's just that I've seen quite a few people recommending LSD and/or other psychedelic drugs as alternatives to caffeine and even someone saying that cocaine isn't that bad. I'm all for people being allowed/able to use whatever they want, but they should be as educated and informed as possible before making these decisions.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    No supplement is intended to treat/cure clinical depression; they're not even allowed to claim to do that. Also, the vast majority of promising research on tyrosine was using l-tyrosine, and the research comparing LT to NALT shows that LT is superior. Ashwagandha is a good option, and rhodiola is another option too.

    As for psychedelics, that's really a different beast entirely. You inherently run a higher chance of abuse/addiction/etc with these drugs than you do with normal nootropic products, so extra care/caution/respect should be taken as to not dose too high or too often. Using psychedelics to improve mood should certainly be effective, haha, but caution should be taken, and I feel a responsibility to point this out to anyone who may be reading this, that while they can certainly be used safely and responsibly, there are naturally going to be more potential risks involved, and more care/caution should be taken when using them compared to your normal nootropic supplements.

    Again, I'm not intending to sound like a buzz kill or a broken record, or to attack you at all, it's just that I've seen quite a few people recommending LSD and/or other psychedelic drugs as alternatives to caffeine and even someone saying that cocaine isn't that bad. I'm all for people being allowed/able to use whatever they want, but they should be as educated and informed as possible before making these decisions.
    I've had more success with NALT than l-tyrosine, regardless of what one study says about absorption.

    I would argue strongly that taking something like tianeptine, an ingredient in Vicaine, has a much higher chance of abuse and withdrawal then microdosing LSD or mushrooms. All of tianeptine's downstream effects are entirely due to mu opioid agonism - not a sustainable solution.

    I agree with you that caution should be warranted when considering serotonergic 'gray areas' such as LSD and should be discussed with a doctor. However, keep in mind I am coming at this post from more of a "happiness/anti-depressant" solution, as opposed to short-term mood boost. 5-HT1A activation on post-synaptic receptors is a reason why some SSRIs work, and why pharma is focusing on 5-HT1A biased agonism drugs (and other receptors) that are known to induce "happiness" effects such as increased sociability, sex drive/arousal less ED, & reduced fatigue. Hell, 5-ht1a post-synaptic activation can even have a two-pronged effect on dopamine, enhancing its release in the medial PFC/striatum/hippocampus and thus playing a role in the antidepressant/anxiolytic effects.

    Well I think I've successfully derailed this thread off the original topic. :P

  25. Quote Originally Posted by pbandy1 View Post
    I've had more success with NALT than l-tyrosine, regardless of what one study says about absorption.

    I would argue strongly that taking something like tianeptine, an ingredient in Vicaine, has a much higher chance of abuse and withdrawal then microdosing LSD or mushrooms. All of tianeptine's downstream effects are entirely due to mu opioid agonism - not a sustainable solution.

    I agree with you that caution should be warranted when considering serotonergic 'gray areas' such as LSD and should be discussed with a doctor. However, keep in mind I am coming at this post from more of a "happiness/anti-depressant" solution, as opposed to short-term mood boost. 5-HT1A activation on post-synaptic receptors is a reason why some SSRIs work, and why pharma is focusing on 5-HT1A biased agonism drugs (and other receptors) that are known to induce "happiness" effects such as increased sociability, sex drive/arousal less ED, & reduced fatigue. Hell, 5-ht1a post-synaptic activation can even have a two-pronged effect on dopamine, enhancing its release in the medial PFC/striatum/hippocampuselease and thus playing a role in the antidepressant/anxiolytic effects.

    Well I think I've successfully derailed this thread off the original topic. :P
    Haha, Vicaine isn't exactly an average supplement either;with flmodafinil and tianeptine I don't even know if I'd call it a supplement in the most technical sense of the word, and I certainly wouldn't use it daily (with that said, I have used it in moderation and enjoyed it). On a somewhat similar note, kratom is great for mood, but I wouldn't use it daily at all either. By a normal nootropic supplement (something suitable for daily use) I was talking things like caffeine, cholines, AChE-Is, adaptogens, tyrosine/ALCAR, and racetams being the "farthest" I'm talking about (i.e. no -finils).
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