Best Nootropic For Mood And Happiness

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  1. Does Choline (Alpha-GPC and CDP) have a build up effect, As in, does it continue to improve cognition the longer you take it?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    Thanks for the NootropiMax recommendation, but as I said above, I'm trying to avoid caffeine and other stims.
    Is there any stim free ingredient/compound... be it an amino acid, a precursor, a spice, a mineral, a vitamin, a natural extract, etc that works on the brain directly to improve mood and increase happinness?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Thanks for the NootropiMax recommendation, but as I said above, I'm trying to avoid caffeine and other stims.
    Is there any stim free ingredient/compound... be it an amino acid, a precursor, a spice, a mineral, a vitamin, a natural extract, etc that works on the brain directly to improve mood and increase happinness?
    The only thing I can think of that seems to work for me personally is eria jarensis but unfortunately I'm not sure it's available in an isolated form. It's mainly included in pre workouts. However, there might be some stim free pre workouts with it. Apart from that I'm hoping other people have better suggestions

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat528 View Post
    The only thing I can think of that seems to work for me personally is eria jarensis but unfortunately I'm not sure it's available in an isolated form. It's mainly included in pre workouts. However, there might be some stim free pre workouts with it. Apart from that I'm hoping other people have better suggestions
    Eria Jarensis is a stimulant so it would not be in a stim free product.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by cubsfan815 View Post
    Eria Jarensis is a stimulant so it would not be in a stim free product.
    Is the stimulatory effect significant though? I don't think there's much anecdotal evidence of it being taken solo to my knowledge
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Thanks for the NootropiMax recommendation, but as I said above, I'm trying to avoid caffeine and other stims.
    Is there any stim free ingredient/compound... be it an amino acid, a precursor, a spice, a mineral, a vitamin, a natural extract, etc that works on the brain directly to improve mood and increase happinness?
    You could look into zembrin (source naturals and doctor's best make it). It's a patented extract of kanna which acts as a dual 5-HT reuptake and PDE4 inhibitor. It's something that can be taken daily. I've tried that in the past and it works pretty good with improving mood.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    You could look into zembrin (source naturals and doctor's best make it). It's a patented extract of kanna which acts as a dual 5-HT reuptake and PDE4 inhibitor. It's something that can be taken daily. I've tried that in the past and it works pretty good with improving mood.
    Thanks for your input man.
    What dose were you taking and how long did it take before you noticed the improvements?

  8. I took 25 mg once to twice each day. Effects (improved mood and more energy) were almost immediate and seemed to stabilize as it was taken continuously. However, I will say that I found it to be a little bit too stimulating (why I stopped taking it). So, if you have anxiety issues that could be a problem (based on reviews not everyone experiences that though).

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    I took 25 mg once to twice each day. Effects (improved mood and more energy) were almost immediate and seemed to stabilize as it was taken continuously. However, I will say that I found it to be a little bit too stimulating (why I stopped taking it). So, if you have anxiety issues that could be a problem (based on reviews not everyone experiences that though).
    Nope, no anxiety issues at the moment.
    How did you take it, as in with food or without food, timing etc?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Does Choline (Alpha-GPC and CDP) have a build up effect, As in, does it continue to improve cognition the longer you take it?
    Choline does seem to be more effective with continued use. There are not many human studies comparing acute to continued use, and human studies have found it has acute effects, but animal studies have shown that continued use is superior to only acute use. Animal studies have also shown synergism with piracetam, which may also translate to other racetams/Noopept.
    Quote Originally Posted by Slims View Post
    Thanks for the NootropiMax recommendation, but as I said above, I'm trying to avoid caffeine and other stims.
    Is there any stim free ingredient/compound... be it an amino acid, a precursor, a spice, a mineral, a vitamin, a natural extract, etc that works on the brain directly to improve mood and increase happinness?
    Ashwagandha, rhodiola, sceletium, and sage come to mind for individual ingredients.
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  11. These things can help subtlety I think , from my experience , at least for me. Ive never had major break thoughs with them to my knowledge, that doesnt mean someone else cant and it doesnt mean it didnt help me. Ive done alpha gpc quite a bit.

    Does anyone consider l-dopa a nootropic?

    I used 99% l-dopa ( mucuna pruriens) well over a year straight and I think it unbalanced by causing dopamine to go high and serotonin too low. I ended up using a potent serotonin releaser and got serotonin syndrome. I looked at some studies and I think the reason could have been too much l-dopa for too long and when i used the serotonin releaser it was so strong from dopamine being so high , serotonin so low, that it flooded by brain. I could be wrong, its very possible though. i caution anyone dont use l-dopa more than a couple months at a time.
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  12. Bromantane if you're willing to pay for it, nothing compares

  13. Quote Originally Posted by johnnyp View Post
    Bromantane if you're willing to pay for it, nothing compares
    iirc it is very hard to find pure Bromantane right now.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by pbandy1 View Post
    iirc it is very hard to find pure Bromantane right now.
    Only way I'm aware of would be to get Ladasten and hope it's real

  15. Phenylpiracetam solo is really useless for me, weak focus with small amount of energy. BUT when taken with choline donor (CDP for me personally) it starts working in complete different manner - really great focus with good euphoria
    Also Kanna Zembrin is awesome

  16. Sounds like you don't need and aren't looking for what several in this thread are trying to suggest, no offense meant at all to those guys. If I had to make one recommendation it would be aniracetam. Studied as a mild anti-depressant, and for many works very well as a cognitive enhanced. You could also look into KSM-66.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BigKrabbe View Post
    Sounds like you don't need and aren't looking for what several in this thread are trying to suggest, no offense meant at all to those guys. If I had to make one recommendation it would be aniracetam. Studied as a mild anti-depressant, and for many works very well as a cognitive enhanced. You could also look into KSM-66.
    KSM-66 is always a good recommendation for mood (and it does have potential cognitive benefits). Tongkat ali also has some studies showing it can improve mood, but it isn't really a nootropic, although it is an adaptogen, and may theoretically provide benefits to various things at certain "times of stress." Both ashwagandha and tongkat ali have been shown to reduce stress/anxiety, improve mood, and also reduce cortisol and improve hormone balance (adaptogens). Rhodiola is another adaptogen that can provide cognitive benefits in the context of reducing fatigue, and has also been shown/noted to improve mood and reduce anxiety. Bacopa has well documented/demonstrated nootropic effects, and has also been shown to reduce anxiety. These are all potentially useful herbs/extracts worth looking into IMO.

    Also, I do think that certain combinations/ingredients are worth mentioning. For example, caffeine use is so ubiquitous, that is seems logical enough to mention ingredients like ornithine HCL (which as been shown to potentiate the effects of caffeine on mood and duration) and theanine (which is also synergistic with caffeine and can help to reduce anxiety that people may get with caffeine; and that reduction in potential anxiety would indirectly improve mood).
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  18. In general, anything that is going to increase dopamine levels.

    The two I would recommend trying:
    L-tyrosine
    SAM-e

    Of course, kratom is fantastic for this as well.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    In general, anything that is going to increase dopamine levels.

    The two I would recommend trying:
    L-tyrosine
    SAM-e

    Of course, kratom is fantastic for this as well.
    ah, SAM-e, I forgot. Actually some evidence for this in mood/diagnosed depression.

  20. I always enjoy reading your insightful posts good sir. I 100% agree with all statements you have made, and especially like what you say in your last paragraph regarding some combinations are worth mentioning. In my reply I was more speaking in regards to the OP asking a very basic question, which can absolutely have many answers - but I have a small amount of disdain towards reps (not you at all, this is a very generalized statement) immediately pushing their companies product when there are usually much better simple/cheaper solutions.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by johnnyp View Post
    Bromantane if you're willing to pay for it, nothing compares
    Is there addiction/abuse potential with this one?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    Is there addiction/abuse potential with this one?
    no, although it is very hard to find right now. You'll have to order it from certain nootropics vendors from Russia, but with bitcoins which is in a pain in the ass to pay with and so far I haven't figured it out lol. Ceretropic can't even find pure powder so it will be out of stock for awhile.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by pbandy1 View Post
    no, although it is very hard to find right now. You'll have to order it from certain nootropics vendors from Russia, but with bitcoins which is in a pain in the ass to pay with and so far I haven't figured it out lol. Ceretropic can't even find pure powder so it will be out of stock for awhile.
    Nootropicsource has it.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by GreenMachineX View Post
    Nootropicsource has it.
    by many accounts they are selling an unpure batch. Nootropicssource has a very bad reputation, I would not mess with them

  25. Quote Originally Posted by pbandy1 View Post
    by many accounts they are selling an unpure batch. Nootropicssource has a very bad reputation, I would not mess with them
    Bummer.
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