Nootrol vs Nootropimax

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  1. Nootrol versus Nootropimax


    Performax and Black Lion Research just revealed the ingredients behind their new Nootropic supplements called Nootropimax and Nootrol respectively.

    Which one are you more excited to try or will be purchasing first?


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  2. Let us also not forget that Evomuse Clear Edge should be restocked soon...some many choice so little time, its a good time to be a noot fan
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  3. Hands down? Clear edge.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by carguy123 View Post
    Let us also not forget that Evomuse Clear Edge should be restocked soon...some many choice so little time, its a good time to be a noot fan
    It's definitely a good time for nootropic supplements, and the three products mentioned here are definitely among the best. It's hard to say that one is going to be "the best," as they all have somewhat different philosophies on how they're formulated, and also differing amounts of caffeine (if I recall, Clear Edge has no caffeine, Nootrol has a little, and NootropiMax has a decent amount of caffeine and some theacrine). What I'm thinking of doing is running NootropiMax for probably 8-12 weeks, then taking a few weeks off and running something else, perhaps Nootrol or Clear Edge (I ordered a bottle of it already), and maybe even overlapping (using both at the same time) NootropiMax and Nootrol. I do think I'll pick up some standalone BF-7 (see Nootrol) to try before picking up Nootrol, as I already have a good supply of high-quality rhodiola.

    Edit: Looking more at all of the profiles, I'm thinking of cycling between NootropiMax and Clear Edge, and probably add in Nootrol (or at least standalone BF-7 and rhodiola depending on the price) at times when I could use even more of a boost. Should make for one hell of a cognitive stack IMO!
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  5. While I will always be a fan of buying individual supplements and creating my own stacks, I truly appreciate that companies are finally getting on board with what many of us have been into for years now. In fact, I have gone through periods where I have been so concerned about noots not getting proper recognition and going away that I have stocked up on multiple items to last for years.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    While I will always be a fan of buying individual supplements and creating my own stacks, I truly appreciate that companies are finally getting on board with what many of us have been into for years now. In fact, I have gone through periods where I have been so concerned about noots not getting proper recognition and going away that I have stocked up on multiple items to last for years.
    I know what you mean, and up until very recently, there weren't even really many good nootropic products out there at all. Granted, the majority of them now are still pretty underdosed, but the market as a whole is getting better, and some quality formulas are beginning to come out, including the ones mentioned ITT.
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  7. NootripiMax is on my radar.

    I already have used or am currently used everything in that profile....and I would love not to have to measure everything out lol.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    NootripiMax is on my radar.

    I already have used or am currently used everything in that profile....and I would love not to have to measure everything out lol.
    I know what you mean. I'm currently using pretty much exactly NootropiMax (just some slightly different doses because of some caps), but it's a major PITA to have to take several different pills and also weigh out multiple powders. It'll be so much easier to just take 1-2 caps, haha.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by muscleupcrohn View Post
    I know what you mean. I'm currently using pretty much exactly NootropiMax (just some slightly different doses because of some caps), but it's a major PITA to have to take several different pills and also weigh out multiple powders. It'll be so much easier to just take 1-2 caps, haha.
    So much this....made my own preworkout for all of 2 weeks before I finally said the hell with this. Really liking the nootropic options discussed in this thread, and planning on trying all of them in the near future (outside of Clear Edge, I got in on the Beta release). Really happy there are so many solid options popping up

  10. The idea of stacking it with nootrol is very tempting. But I think you and I share a certain skepticism at a 10% salidroside extract with added tyrosol.

    4.5 mg(170mg of rhodiola) was shown to be effective with night shift physicians, but we know at 680-700mg of rhodiola shows no added benefit. So the question is how much rhodiola is in that mix.

    Given the 1000mg daily dose and 50mg of caffeine, at 10% salidroside, 30-50mg would be ideal, but this doesnt factor in the tyrosol.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    The idea of stacking it with nootrol is very tempting. But I think you and I share a certain skepticism at a 10% salidroside extract with added tyrosol.

    4.5 mg(170mg of rhodiola) was shown to be effective with night shift physicians, but we know at 680-700mg of rhodiola shows no added benefit. So the question is how much rhodiola is in that mix.

    Given the 1000mg daily dose and 50mg of caffeine, at 10% salidroside, 30-50mg would be ideal, but this doesnt factor in the tyrosol.
    From what I've seen of many COAs and spec sheets, extracts that are very high in either rosavin or salidroside that make no mention of the other tend to have little or negligible content of the other (note that this ins't always the case, but quite often it is). The vast majority of the research on rhodiola uses either a 3% rosavin and 1% salidroside extract (many of the endurance studies), or SHR-5, which is close to 3% rosavin and 2% salidroside. Much of the old Russian research states the importance of having an extract standardized to both, and, if I recall correctly, I think I read about one potentiating the effects of the other (I could be wrong, but I think it was rosavin increased the effectiveness of salidroside, but don't quote me on that).

    There are studies showing improved endurance with as little as 200mg of 3% R + 1% S extract, and studies showing improved exam scores and other benefits with as little as 100mg of SHR-5 (~2.8mg salidroside). Regarding the point of diminishing returns, one study on military cadets used either 370 or 550mg of SHR-5, and didn't note a significant difference between the two doses. Other studies have noted benefits with 170mg SHR-5, so I don't really see a need to go above 370mg of SHR-5, which is pretty much 3% rosavin and 2% salidroside. The 370mg of SHR-5 yielded ~9mg salidroside, which should be plenty when combined with the rosavin IMO, which means you'd only need 90mg of the 10% salidroside extract (without the tyrosol), although much less could still be effective, although I'd still like to have some rosavin with the salidroside, although the inclusion of tyrosol is interesting and helps to further reduce the dose needed.
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  12. Can't argue with anything you said. Excellent observation that really the bulk of data shows benefit with the lower extracts. As well as the importance of a standardization for both rosavins and salidrosides.

    Personally I have not come across much, if any, data on higher extracts.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Can't argue with anything you said. Excellent observation that really the bulk of data shows benefit with the lower extracts. As well as the importance of a standardization for both rosavins and salidrosides.

    Personally I have not come across much, if any, data on higher extracts.
    There are animal studies showing that salidroside alone does work (is active), while the same animal studies have shown rosavin to be inactive in certain aspects, but also showed that the combination was superior to any component alone.
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  14. Meh, in the light of so much human data, I really take the animal studies with a grain of salt.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    Meh, in the light or so much human data, I really take the animal studies with a grain of salt.
    Yeah, there's enough human research to paint a pretty good picture about how to dose rhodiola, so I don't see a need to reinvent the wheel, and I still think I'd like an extract with salidroside AND rosavin as opposed to just more salidroside. Since we know there's a point of diminishing returns, perhaps due to the synergy/interaction between the components demonstrated in animal studies you can get more benefits from taking the two together than just salidroside, although I could be wrong in that assumption.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Ricky10 View Post
    Performax and Black Lion Research just revealed the ingredients behind their new Nootropic supplements called Nootropimax and Nootrol respectively.

    Which one are you more excited to try or will be purchasing first?
    2 totally different formulas from 2 great companies.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JohnP. View Post
    2 totally different formulas from 2 great companies.
    Yes...seems as though they both delivered on this one in their own way. Will be interesting to see the reviews/logs as these products begin to get into people's hands. Or brain should I say...

  18. Wish so many of these new nootropic formulas didn't have such high doses of caffeine in them (like nootropimax). Completely rules out anyone that's stim sensitive and prevents daily use (which is what works best for things like bacopa).

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Wish so many of these new nootropic formulas didn't have such high doses of caffeine in them (like nootropimax). Completely rules out anyone that's stim sensitive and prevents daily use (which is what works best for things like bacopa).
    Clear Edge is also stim free if you were unaware.
    But I understand where you are coming from. I actual like that Clear Edge is stim free, allows me to add it to whatever stim product I choose for that day
  20. Nootrol vs Nootropimax


    Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Wish so many of these new nootropic formulas didn't have such high doses of caffeine in them (like nootropimax). Completely rules out anyone that's stim sensitive and prevents daily use (which is what works best for things like bacopa).
    When I saw the profile being revealed I was thinking 150mg of caffeine is perfect in this one. Then next ingredients was caffeine malate with another 150 mg. granted the caffeine malate really only equals about 100 mg of caffeine. I think the product will pack a nice punch, but won't feel like there is as much caffeine in it because the noots will smooth it out. Either way your the caffeine sensitive crowd probably won't be able to handle it and it will bump up the tolerance for the caffeinated crowd because I am sure it won't be the only caffeine they ingest during the day.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    When I saw the profile being revealed I was thinking 150mg of caffeine is perfect in this one. Then next ingredients was caffeine malate with another 150 mg. granted the caffeine malate really only equals about 100 mg of caffeine. I think the product will pack a nice punch, but won't feel like there is as much caffeine in it because the noots will smooth it out. Either way your the caffeine sensitive crowd probably won't be able to handle it and it will bump up the tolerance for the caffeinated crowd because I am sure it won't be the only caffeine they ingest during the day.
    Yeah, some of the ingredients will help smooth out the effects but you'll still be taking around 250 mg of caffeine per day. Not sure why anyone would want that in a nootropic formula. I get the feeling that a lot of companies include such high amounts of caffeine in their nootropic formulas so people experience an immediate effect...versus waiting days to months like many/most nootropics require. Unfortunately, by including such a high dose of caffeine they're also preventing people from taking it consistently over a long period of time to truly reap the benefits (like in the case of bacopa and its effect on memory).

  22. Quote Originally Posted by carguy123 View Post
    Clear Edge is also stim free if you were unaware.
    But I understand where you are coming from. I actual like that Clear Edge is stim free, allows me to add it to whatever stim product I choose for that day
    Wasn't aware of that one. Thanks, I'll check it out.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by jarrellt67 View Post
    Wasn't aware of that one. Thanks, I'll check it out.
    Its a fantastic product, the mental clarity I get is very noticeable and multitasking at work is a breeze now. I am a full-fledged fanboy at this point

  24. Quote Originally Posted by carguy123 View Post
    Its a fantastic product, the mental clarity I get is very noticeable and multitasking at work is a breeze now. I am a full-fledged fanboy at this point
    profile??

  25. Quote Originally Posted by JohnP. View Post
    profile??
    Stole this out of the Evomuse thread....

    Clear Edge™ is a highly potent creativity and intelligence support supplement that maximizes brain efficiency and interneuronal communication, enabling the user to effortless tap into a higher potential level. Clear Edge™ quickens thought response and reaction speed, allowing for faster access to memories and a quicker formation of new memories ie. learning. Boosting short term memory via hippocampal activation, enhancing reward centers to make you associate learning and performance as a pleasant experience, Clear Edge™ also accelerates the transition from short term memory to long term memory, increasing informational recall. Clear Edge™ will help in verbal fluency and articulation, so whether your job is technical or more people oriented you will find yourself always on top of your game.

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    Serving size: 4 capsules
    Servings per bottle: 60

    Ingredients:

    Nelumbo Nucifera Extract 20:1 255mg
    Acetyl-L-Carnitine - 500mg
    Bacopa Monnieri (std for 55% bacosides) 150mg
    Huperzine 1% 10mg
    CDP-Choline 400mg
    Ginkgo Biloba Extract 200mg
    L-Pyroglutamic Acid 400mg
    L-dopa 100mg
    Bombyx Mori Extract (std for BF7) 150mg
    Astilbin-Cyclodextrin Complex 75mg
    Benfotiamine 200mg
    Sulbutiamine 200mg
    Isatin 50mg
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