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    All Kidding Aside, Obama For President?!?!


    By Burt Prelutsky
    Monday, January 14, 2008
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    One of the obvious differences between Democrats and Republicans is the role that religion plays in their presidential campaigns. For instance, every Democrat, while pretending to believe that “separation of church and state” actually appears somewhere in the Constitution, must also insist that religion plays an essential role in his or her life. But just about the only time you see them going to church is when they’re posing for the cameras while addressing a black Baptist congregation. What’s more, when questioning these people, the liberal media kindly limits itself to a yes or no question regarding the existence of God.

    However, when the candidates are Republicans, you might get the idea that the members of the MSM were boning up for their theology exams. Is Huckabee too Christian? Does he actually believe the universe was created in six days? When he was a governor, did he go out of his way to commute the sentences of felons because he was a sucker for anyone who announced he’d found Christ in the slammer? Is Giuliani, who contributed to Pro-Choice organizations, flying under false colors as a Catholic? Does Romney really believe that Satan and Jesus are brothers, or at least third cousins, once removed?



    Why is it, I wonder, that nobody is asking Barack Obama about his religious convictions? From what I’ve gathered, they’re far more fascinating than Mitt Romney’s.

    For over 20 years, Sen, Obama has been a faithful member of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ. The other day, I paid a visit to Trinity’s website. There I read that the vision statement of the TUCC is based upon something called the systematized liberation theology that began in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, “Black Power and Black Theology.” Dr. Cone believes that black Christians should not follow the “White Church,” as it had failed to support them in their struggle for equal rights in America. I suspect that most white Christians would disagree.

    Trinity United boasts that it is a congregation “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian.” What’s more, “it is a congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.”

    Its pastor, Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., has referred to “white arrogance” and “the United States of Whiter America.” To my ears, that sounds unashamedly black, but I’m not so sure about the unapologetically Christian.

    Furthermore, Rev. Wright’s church publishes a magazine, The Trumpet. Not too surprisingly, all things considered, the recipient of the 2007 Lifetime Achievement Trumpeter Award for Social Justice was none other than Louis Farrakhan, the fellow who plays the race card even better than he plays his violin.

    Now, my own reasons for hoping that Sen. Obama is not elected president next November are pretty much the same reasons I object to Hillary Clinton and John Edwards. I consider all three of them to be anti-military, tax raising, left-wing flyweights who would bury this country in entitlements while essentially ignoring Islamic fascism. I regard them as three run-of-the-mill hacks who would bring tears to the eyes of John Kennedy if he were around to see what’s happened to his party’s leadership over the past 45 years.

    That being said, I have no idea how a member of a black church that apparently feels it owes greater allegiance to Africa than to America and that pays homage to a bigot like Farrakhan, has the gall to present himself as the one candidate who can bring us all together.

    To be fair, I acknowledge that he has a pleasant smile and speaks better than most politicians. The truth is, he sort of reminds me of David Duke.
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    Pffft!

    Good to know that Burt Prelutsky knows the mind of Obama based on what his church leaders think. Nice paranoia inspired piece.

    People get up on their hind legs when Bush or some other evangelical's beliefs are challenged. If we took the same line as old Burt...via their religion they supposedly put the interests of Christianity over that of the United States..or more specifically put, they think that their beliefs are what the country needs and has to have or everyone will burn in a Sodom & Gomorra-esque orgy of sin...ie depraved arrogance.

    Well, that didn't happen either. Bush threw his religious constituents a bone or two, but on the whole they've been bitterly disappointed with him. It goes to show that no one (who is sane and therefore a viable candidate) who ascends the rank of president is going to give their particular faith all the power the US has to offer...it wouldn't work and it wouldn't be tolerated for even a second.

    What that article really seems to represent, aside from being the usual political hit piece, is some thinly veiled racist paranoia aimed at persuading people to fear a black takeover of the US. Eeek! All 13% of the population will dominate us and make us send all of our money to Africa! Yeah sure.
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    Great article. Obama's church and background should be investiged as much as Huckabee's or Romney's. And dont forget that blacks can be racist biggots too, sounds like his church promotes racisism and biggotry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr;
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    Furthermore, Rev. Wright’s church publishes a magazine, The Trumpet. Not too surprisingly, all things considered, the recipient of the 2007 Lifetime Achievement Trumpeter Award for Social Justice was none other than Louis Farrakhan, the fellow who plays the race card even better than he plays his violin...
    This article is anything but objective. Regarding the Farrakhan part, Rev. Wright's opinions are not necessarily those of Mr. Obama. To reach any meaningful conclusions, Mr. Obama should specifically be asked about his opinion regarding the 2007 Lifetime Achievement Trumpeter Award for Social Justice. Anything else would be dangerous speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris;
    Great article. Obama's church and background should be investiged as much as Huckabee's or Romney's. And dont forget that blacks can be racist biggots too, sounds like his church promotes racisism and biggotry.
    Such blanket comments are always unfortunate and deeply misleading!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Such blanket comments are always unfortunate and deeply misleading!
    I stated a flat out fact. Why is that unfortunate and misleading? Does it violate the laws of political correctness which state we cant state the truth if it may possibly insult any type of minority group. I didn't say Obama was racist but it appears some of the people he has aligned himself with surely are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris;
    I stated a flat out fact. Why is that unfortunate and misleading? Does it violate the laws of political correctness which state we cant state the truth if it may possibly insult any type of minority group. I didn't say Obama was racist but it appears some of the people he has aligned himself with surely are.
    I simply challenged the validity of a general, no-exception-type statement such as "blacks can be racist biggots". It has neither anything to do with political correctness nor with minority status. You simply cannot describe such a statement ("blacks can be racist biggots") as a "flat out fact"! This is completely absurd. For such a statement to be a fact, you must produce evidence that all blacks are like that, or a statistically significant poll that produces the same result. No more, no less. Until you can produce such evidence, avoid such statements. And this has nothing to do with political correctness. It is simple a misrepresentation of facts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    I simply challenged the validity of a general, no-exception-type statement such as "blacks can be racist biggots". It has neither anything to do with political correctness nor with minority status. You simply cannot describe such a statement ("blacks can be racist biggots") as a "flat out fact"! This is completely absurd. For such a statement to be a fact, you must produce evidence that all blacks are like that, or a statistically significant poll that produces the same result. No more, no less. Until you can produce such evidence, avoid such statements. And this has nothing to do with political correctness. It is simple a misrepresentation of facts!
    Umm I think you are reading into it a bit much. I am simply stating that black people can be racist contrary to popular belief. Not all are of course. People seem to think that only minority groups can be discriminated against by larger minority groups. Simply not true. If you ask me Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racists.
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    Some blacks people can be racist too, i will agree to that.

    They can have BET, its all good.

    What if i made WET, all rock? Then i guess that name would be racist. BTW, i checked if the domain was available and it led to a porn site lol :P

    But i do however like Obama...
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    I think the point is..none of that should be an issue until Mr Obama or other candidates do or say something that really shows them to be what you are all claiming. Using wild speculation to paint a candidate poorly is a desperate tactic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I think the point is..none of that should be an issue until Mr Obama or other candidates do or say something that really shows them to be what you are all claiming. Using wild speculation to paint a candidate poorly is a desperate tactic.
    Well you have to be careful who you ally yourself with. Its clear that Obama does not practice or believe in any religion due to his disgusting support for partial birth abortion. He clearly has no soul.
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    Guilt by association. IMO.

    If I belonged to the church that was protesting at veterans funerals and didn't disavow them and leave the church ... what would you think?

    I think anyone who is running for the highest office in the most powerful nation, ever, should be scrutinized carefully up to and beyond whom they associate and identify with. Especially ones the candidate himself claims has been one of his mentors.

    I would expect the same for any of the candidates, Romney and Huckabee included.

    Wild speculation Bioman? I identify and align myself with the beliefs of my congregation of which my pastor leads. If he was honoring someone like Hitler and I didn't distance myself ... what would you think?

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    Have him stand properly for the flag during this nations anthem and I might respect him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    Guilt by association. IMO.

    If I belonged to the church that was protesting at veterans funerals and didn't disavow them and leave the church ... what would you think?

    I think anyone who is running for the highest office in the most powerful nation, ever, should be scrutinized carefully up to and beyond whom they associate and identify with. Especially ones the candidate himself claims has been one of his mentors.

    I would expect the same for any of the candidates, Romney and Huckabee included.

    Wild speculation Bioman? I identify and align myself with the beliefs of my congregation of which my pastor leads. If he was honoring someone like Hitler and I didn't distance myself ... what would you think?

    Ok, I am out. These things always lead to irrational and ad hominem flame fests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris;
    Umm I think you are reading into it a bit much. I am simply stating that black people can be racist contrary to popular belief. Not all are of course. People seem to think that only minority groups can be discriminated against by larger minority groups. Simply not true. If you ask me Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are racists.
    Discrimination is wrong, irrelevant who practices it.

    Racism is a state of mind, a way of seeing the world. As a consequence, it is completely independent of ethnic status. There are racist blacks, just as there are racist whites, Hispanics, and so on. But just because there are racist whites, for instance, one cannot legitimately say all whites are racists. My problem was (and is) your statement that blacks (meaning every black) religious bigots and racists. This is simply false!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman;
    I think the point is..none of that should be an issue until Mr Obama or other candidates do or say something that really shows them to be what you are all claiming. Using wild speculation to paint a candidate poorly is a desperate tactic.
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    This is the same point I made in an earlier post. I was beginning to think I was the only one that saw it that way, until your post
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Discrimination is wrong, irrelevant who practices it.

    Racism is a state of mind, a way of seeing the world. As a consequence, it is completely independent of ethnic status. There are racist blacks, just as there are racist whites, Hispanics, and so on. But just because there are racist whites, for instance, one cannot legitimately say all whites are racists. My problem was (and is) your statement that blacks (meaning every black) religious bigots and racists. This is simply false!
    this is why he included the word "can", as in all blacks are just as capable as any other race/ethnicity of being discriminatory.

    Yes, this article is definitely slanted; but still, I feel it's important to know about this kind of stuff when it comes to ALL candidates. I mean seriously, they are applying for what is probably the most powerful job in the WORLD. They should be held to the highest level of scrutiny, so we can ascertain why they want to be in that position, especially when the majority of them could have jobs that are far more economically profitable. (this is not directed at Obama only)
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