[UnicronSpawn]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

One of her acquaintances is getting the URL in her email today, with mention "maybe Amy Shipley should see this too".

I hope Shipley watches it.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn

I hope Shipley watches it.

Won't really do anything if she does. People make up their minds and then try and make the facts fit their proconceived version of the truth. Very few people look first and then judge what's true. If she did watch it the only result would most likely be an article on how Bryant Gumble, Real Sports and HBO are "sending the wrong message to the children."

[UnicronSpawn]

but that would draw everyone elses attention to the doc, and if they actually watch it they might see the part where they concede that its not a good idea for children. So even if Shipley and a good chunk of america refuses to listen to the voice of reason, even just a few people being exposed to it could sway a couple more people. (We gotta start somewhere, and exponential growth always starts out almost imperceptibly slow.) Im not saying it will create a tidal wave of paradigm shifts in american thinking, but if she did see it and drew attention to it, it could be a small step in the right direction. I mean, most people in the US are still oblivious to the existance of that documentary.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn

but that would draw everyone elses attention to the doc, and if they actually watch it they might see the part where they concede that its not a good idea for children. So even if Shipley and a good chunk of america refuses to listen to the voice of reason, even just a few people being exposed to it could sway a couple more people. (We gotta start somewhere, and exponential growth always starts out almost imperceptibly slow.) Im not saying it will create a tidal wave of paradigm shifts in american thinking, but if she did see it and drew attention to it, it could be a small step in the right direction. I mean, most people in the US are still oblivious to the existance of that documentary.

Yes, most are oblivious. But, the honest truth is the people who care about this topic have already made up their minds one way or another, few if any of them will change their minds regardless of the evidence one way or another, and those that don't care, well they don't care. Even if people are going to prison, for most people if their oxe isn't gored, they don't give a damn.

Most people simply do not care about abridging someone else's rights as long as they don't experience any undesirable effects themselves. And even when they do experience those effects, usually they don't make the connection between the people they willingly screwed and themselves.

[UnicronSpawn]

Yeah your right. but that truly does suck though. The optimist in me wants to believe that there is some glimmer of hope for enlightening people on the topic, and subsequently igniting a change for the better, but like you said, once most people make up their mind about something, they dont want their mind to be changed regardless of what facts or points of view you place in front of them. Its like someone trying to convince a traditionalist that Jesus wasnt white or something, they wouldnt care if you went back in time and brought the real Jesus back with you and introduced them to him, theyd be like "thats not Jesus."

But I guess part of me just wants to keep hope alive even in the face of insurmountable retardedness.

[Maccabee]

When the DEA & AMA were asked to submit reports when the original 1990 act was passed, they both recomended that AAS not be scheduled. If that didn't convince Congress, an HBO documentry certainly isn't going to do it. The truth is, the anti-steroid campaign is a great way for politians to get political mileage. It also gives writers like Amy Shipley public exposure as well. They have everything to gain and nothing to loose. They scare soccer moms into thinking their kids are on juice and then they granstand on the issue by proposing bulls**t regulation, and then they can claim that they are good politicians trying to protect kids. Who will fight against them? Its not like there is a pro-aas lobby.

[Beowulf]

I'm definitely an exception then, b/c when I first started working out I believed all the worst case scenarios about steroids to be the norm. I looked at the sides and thought you'd have to be crazy to shrink your testes, grow tits and lose your hair. A key point, that the doc doesn't get into is PCT/preventative measures. I read that Men's Health article a couple of years ago and thought, maybe it's not that bad. But that article didn't get into prevention either. It wasn't until I started bumping into steroid info when researching training/nutrition that I learned about combatting sides.

I've still onlyused a small amount of legal "supps", but my first test cycle is probably a year or so away.

[Beowulf]

BTW, if I'm an exception I bet there are many more out there.

A friend of mine (who has never lifted a weight) spoke enthusiastically about some research he saw at the Museum of Science that talked about the beneficial uses of AAS. He said the Dr. from one of the Boston hospitals claimed TRT would be commonplace in a few decades.

My friend is not remotely interested in bbing, yet he seemed convinced.

[Grunt76]

Heh Beowulf, I am another. I was SO convinced about those juice-heads. Retards, I tell you, destroying their bodies to look better. Pure madness.

But then, with more and more research, it's like, what did I know. And finding this board definitely killed the notion that juicers are stupid.

Bottom line, I am glad I waited all this time before starting the hormones. And I am glad I started taking them. And I know I'll take them for a long time.

[UnicronSpawn]

Beowulf and Grunt76, my experience and transformation was comparable to you guys. I didnt put anyone down for it, but I was under the false impression that using AAS meant severe health problems were inevitable, and using them was just not even something I thought about.
However when I got into researching every aspect relating to bodybuilding, I realized that the more I learned, the more AAS (if used intelligently) seemed like a good idea. And now here I am happy as hell on a mass cycle, and the only regret I have is that (thanks to ignorance on a grand scale), a bunch of misguided no-nothings are trying to run my life, with their oppresive iron fist tactics.

[turkish]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

Heh Beowulf, I am another. I was SO convinced about those juice-heads. Retards, I tell you, destroying their bodies to look better. Pure madness.

But then, with more and more research, it's like, what did I know. And finding this board definitely killed the notion that juicers are stupid.

Bottom line, I am glad I waited all this time before starting the hormones. And I am glad I started taking them. And I know I'll take them for a long time.

It's like it was me who wrote that

[Magickk]

Originally Posted by Beowulf

BTW, if I'm an exception I bet there are many more out there.

A friend of mine (who has never lifted a weight) spoke enthusiastically about some research he saw at the Museum of Science that talked about the beneficial uses of AAS. He said the Dr. from one of the Boston hospitals claimed TRT would be commonplace in a few decades.

My friend is not remotely interested in bbing, yet he seemed convinced.

Nope, you're not the exception... I would have GLADLY juiced in High School, I wanted to, I wanted to pack on an additional 20 lbs of muscle so that I could get a DIA Scholarship and I had a friend who could get it. But like you mentioned, I didn't want my nuts to shrink, my back to engulf in hair, my face to become a mine field of pimples, and my nipples to get huge. I was scared shitless of this "monster" - steroids - so I didn't take them.

In the end, I'm glad it was this way, because had I done any research I would have been a hard-headed teenager and realized that healthy adult makes over 21 have little to no risk of health issues if they use them responsibly. But I would have ignored the Under 21 rule, and gone ahead and juiced probably had I done research, which is why, looking back I'm glad I thought they were the devil! Because I would have made a big mistake by starting them early and probably stunted my growth or messed the chemical balance in my body up. I never knew any facts about them until I started researching on my own, and talking with people who've done them. So if you're the minority, I'm right there with ya!

But yeah, definitely had an impact on me, I mean ****, i've been researching for over a year now, even "tiptoed" into designer hormones to get my feet wet, and I'm still planning on waiting until next year to jump up to the big leagues...

[ryano]

If I had a loved one using. I would rather find a bottle of test. Then a bottle of M1t