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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    go through ancient history. we have several born of a virgin, rose from the dead etc....

    Heck, Jesus was not the only "christ" figure of his time. Simon Magus comes to mind amongest others
    According to this link, Simon was a self professed Christ and sought worship from others. But he didn't fit the messiah prophecy.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?art****798&letter=S


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    So what's your point? That you can't decide if it's true or not, or which god is real, so you blow it off automatically by default. That's a pretty chicken sh!t way to see it bro. Be brave man! Pull your panties up, and dare to seek the truth. You can do it. And until them, be smart and keep your mouth shut if you don't know any better. That way folks don't realize how scared you really are for not knowing. You should have already learned that lesson by now soldier.
    Wha ??? What part of my post did you not understand ?
    So in your view in order to be brave I have to believe in some supernatural all mighty all knowing god ?
    People have allways created Gods to help them in tough times.
    Most people look to the sky and ask for strength.
    Very few people have no need to look outside , rather they look within and find the courage they need to survive. THAT my friend is BRAVE.

    Oh and sorry i 4got to put my panties on 2day bro.
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  3. http://www.1902encyclopedia.com/S/SIM/simon-magus.html

    Nothing here about him being messiah according to OT either. Just his own delusions and magical powers that caused him to be worshiped by some.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    ... The point is.......the books were left out for political reasons, not just for validity
    Yes, they probably were in many cases, and perhaps some were legitimately disqualified in other cases. But why jump to conclusions? I mean, why scoff at the possibility of Christ automatically? Just because the church sux? That seems illogical unless you really know for certain. It would be foolish to reach the wrong conclusion when the stakes are eternal. I'd rather come to no conclusion until I knew better one way or the other, and indeed I was agnostic for the first 27 years of my life.

    Regardless, don't believe the hype AE. Catholicism is a satanic power racket as best as I can determine (as are most other major religions, including the consolidated one to come). But why let that obscure your legitimate, subjective considerations of God's existence? What does a sovereign God have to do with organized religion, which is just somebody elses' version of what they want you to believe god is? God and religion are not the same thing.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by SELFofGOD View Post
    Wha ??? What part of my post did you not understand ?
    So in your view in order to be brave I have to believe in some supernatural all mighty all knowing god ?
    People have allways created Gods to help them in tough times.
    Most people look to the sky and ask for strength.
    Very few people have no need to look outside , rather they look within and find the courage they need to survive. THAT my friend is BRAVE.

    Oh and sorry i 4got to put my panties on 2day bro.
    Haha, it's just a figure of speech brah. In fact, you better not have any panties on, soldier. Homie don't play that don't ask don't tell sh!t.

    No, you don't have to believe in anything, man. That's not what I said. But just as you're born, so shall you die. You can't stop the hit. One day you die, no matter how skilled you are at survival. So where's the need to be brave? It's an easy task to live an die, no bravery needed. How brave do you need to be for yourself, knowing you die one day anyway? It's like **** it, may as well just go for it ya know? Only people in denial are scared to die.

    Real bravery is daring to consider than there might be some greater assignment for your life, and taking the chance that you may find it without it blowing your mind. Real bravery is facing the fact that life might be eternal, and you may still have to deal with sh!t after it's over. That should be your real source of fear, that it doesn't end after you die, and maybe this god thing is for real. You might wanna really think about it, I ain't lyin' to ya.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yes, they probably were in many cases, and perhaps some were legitimately disqualified in other cases. But why jump to conclusions? I mean, why scoff at the possibility of Christ automatically? Just because the church sux? That seems illogical unless you really know for certain. It would be foolish to reach the wrong conclusion when the stakes are eternal. I'd rather come to no conclusion until I knew better one way or the other, and indeed I was agnostic for the first 27 years of my life.

    Regardless, don't believe the hype AE. Catholicism is a satanic power racket as best as I can determine (as are most other major religions, including the consolidated one to come). But why let that obscure your legitimate, subjective considerations of God's existence? What does a sovereign God have to do with organized religion, which is just somebody elses' version of what they want you to believe god is? God and religion are not the same thing.
    I dont disagree to a certain extent. However, it is not just I that might be jumping to conclusions....right?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    According to this link, Simon was a self professed Christ and sought worship from others. But he didn't fit the messiah prophecy.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/vi...d=798&letter=S
    go through who he was and how he was worshipped. Not much different from JC

  8. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I dont disagree to a certain extent. However, it is not just I that might be jumping to conclusions....right?
    Very true. If you have figured different, then I digress, so that I don't jump to conclusions.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Very true. If you have figured different, then I digress, so that I don't jump to conclusions.
    We both jump to conclusions, that is the beauty

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    go through who he was and how he was worshipped. Not much different from JC
    But does he fit the OT messiah prophecy? It doesn't matter about him being worshipped. I haven't found anything yet in my brief research indicating that he does.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Haha, it's just a figure of speech brah. In fact, you better not have any panties on, soldier. Homie don't play that don't ask don't tell sh!t.

    No, you don't have to believe in anything, man. That's not what I said. But just as you're born, so shall you die. You can't stop the hit. One day you die, no matter how skilled you are at survival. So where's the need to be brave? It's an easy task to live an die, no bravery needed. How brave do you need to be for yourself, knowing you die one day anyway? It's like **** it, may as well just go for it ya know? Only people in denial are scared to die.

    Real bravery is daring to consider than there might be some greater assignment for your life, and taking the chance that you may find it without it blowing your mind. Real bravery is facing the fact that life might be eternal, and you may still have to deal with sh!t after it's over. That should be your real source of fear, that it doesn't end after you die, and maybe this god thing is for real. You might wanna really think about it, I ain't lyin' to ya.
    So many people want to feel as tho they are special in some way, they wanna think they have a greater purpose in life.
    why ?
    Are you really not satisfied with just doing watever you naturally do best ?
    Not satisfied with having a wife. Having kids and watching them grow ?
    Most people FEAR Death they CAN NOT picture the lights going out for good.
    Fine , so the brain copes by reaching to the heavns and putting "faith" in some far off fairy tell land.
    The problem is that instead of being the best Human Being and taking care of your brothers you get lost in this my god your god afterlife nonsense.
    Thus we still have people killing eachother in gods name.
    But hey its all good cus they trully believe they have a "assingment" in life right ?



    Ya know I have no problem if people wanna believe in WHATEVER , the problem I have is when that Belief is worth killing your brothers and sisters over.

    Maybe it is in our nature to be brutal.
    I live my life a day at a time. I cherrish every sunrise and sunset. I Love my wife and my child and I try to treat people as humanely as i can.
    When I die if I meet God and he punishes me for the way I have lived my life I will not be alone.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    But does he fit the OT messiah prophecy? It doesn't matter about him being worshipped. I haven't found anything yet in my brief research indicating that he does.
    Since you seem to at least wanna look up some info here are some Christ like people forya to google yourself to death

    Virgin births b4 Christ :

    HORUS

    JASON

    RA

    JOVE

    APIS

    OSIRIS

    and more.

    A quik example on how The Christ story is not new.

    Horus of Egypt : Remember this is just one of many preceeding Christ,

    Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
    He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
    Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
    He had 12 disciples.
    He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
    He walked on water.
    Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
    He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
    He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
    He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
    Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
    Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.
    In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis

  13. Quote Originally Posted by SELFofGOD View Post
    So many people want to feel as tho they are special in some way, they wanna think they have a greater purpose in life.
    why ?
    Are you really not satisfied with just doing watever you naturally do best ?
    Not satisfied with having a wife. Having kids and watching them grow ?
    Most people FEAR Death they CAN NOT picture the lights going out for good.
    Fine , so the brain copes by reaching to the heavns and putting "faith" in some far off fairy tell land.
    The problem is that instead of being the best Human Being and taking care of your brothers you get lost in this my god your god afterlife nonsense.
    Thus we still have people killing eachother in gods name.
    But hey its all good cus they trully believe they have a "assingment" in life right ?



    Ya know I have no problem if people wanna believe in WHATEVER , the problem I have is when that Belief is worth killing your brothers and sisters over.

    Maybe it is in our nature to be brutal.
    I live my life a day at a time. I cherrish every sunrise and sunset. I Love my wife and my child and I try to treat people as humanely as i can.
    When I die if I meet God and he punishes me for the way I have lived my life I will not be alone.
    Yeah, I agree. Some people have to believe in something, so they make a god. They are delusional. And you sound like a good man with high moral and intellectual standards, so I doubt God will be interested in 'punishing' you if you live your life as best you know. But God is like a TI. He doesn't wanna waste His time training you if you don't wanna follow. He's only looking for a few good men, who are interested in finding Him. Loyal, dependable men with heart, that He can apply to His purposes. I still don't see why you object to considering that it may be true.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Yeah, I agree. Some people have to believe in something, so they make a god. They are delusional. And you sound like a good man with high moral and intellectual standards, so I doubt God will be interested in 'punishing' you if you live your life as best you know. But God is like a TI. He doesn't wanna waste His time training you if you don't wanna follow. He's only looking for a few good men, who are interested in finding Him. Loyal, dependable men with heart, that He can apply to His purposes. I still don't see why you object to considering that it may be true.
    Maybe I`m a descendent of Thomas haha

  15. Quote Originally Posted by SELFofGOD View Post
    Since you seem to at least wanna look up some info here are some Christ like people forya to google yourself to death

    Virgin births b4 Christ :

    HORUS

    JASON

    RA

    JOVE

    APIS

    OSIRIS

    and more.

    A quik example on how The Christ story is not new.

    Horus of Egypt : Remember this is just one of many preceeding Christ,

    Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
    He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
    Horus was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
    He had 12 disciples.
    He performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
    He walked on water.
    Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
    He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
    He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
    He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish ("Ichthys").
    Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
    Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.
    In fact, in the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis
    So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

    Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by SELFofGOD View Post
    Maybe I`m a descendent of Thomas haha
    Haha, pull my finger.

  17. Ok my friend .

    Nomatter ur beliefs we are all brothers in this box

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

    Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.
    Thank you.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    So what's your point? Jesus wasn't even born in December, looks like he was most likely born on September 11'th actually.

    Don't get confused with all the similar stories. It's probably just staged propaganda from an author of confusion. More lies basically, to obscure the Truth. If you wanna criticize religious retards, then you should do more research and be careful not to fall into the same traps set for atheists.
    Dr. D come on now. This is silly. THe majority of the jesus story was borrowed from earlier sources, that is a fairly well known fact. It is not a means of confusion, but recorded history, specifically in Egypt and Mesopotamia

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Haha, pull my finger.
    I have to spread more reps around, but you deserve it for this

  21. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Dr. D come on now. This is silly. THe majority of the jesus story was borrowed from earlier sources, that is a fairly well known fact. It is not a means of confusion, but recorded history, specifically in Egypt and Mesopotamia
    Is it silly? If satan already knows how it'll unfold, why wouldn't he try to obscure the real messiah's coming? It's classic pysops, anti-intelligence propaganda.

    Of course these stories are well known facts, but what does that really indicate? That's my question. Not necessarily that the Bible 'borrowed' them, but that it's an agreed upon theme for certain. Does it maybe indicate that genetic experiments with the human genome (aka: virgin births) have been going on for awhile? Yeah, probably so I suspect. Not just the Bible, but all ancient mythologies indicated that a hybrid genus of "giants" once existed. The Bible says that the flood was initiated to eradicate those beings, to preserve the human lineage for Christ to be born from. Look into it for yourself and see if the pieces don't fit.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I have to spread more reps around, but you deserve it for this


    I guess you're the only one who got it, lol

  23. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Not valid baseed on what? Your opinion? Most historians agree that the books that were left out were done so b/c they offered a different view of Christianity that the Romans (under Constantine) wanted. He needed to unify the empire, which could not be done had the religion not been identical across the board. However, there were some Roman aspects that were there. Take a look at the catacomb paintings of Jesus as a Roman, much different from the hippie appearance now.

    The point is.......the books were left out for political reasons, not just for validity


    What are the names of these books you claim to be left out?

    Hey, my jesus didn't look like a hippie
    ôLord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life"- John 6:68

  24. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D View Post
    Is it silly? If satan already knows how it'll unfold, why wouldn't he try to obscure the real messiah's coming? It's classic pysops, anti-intelligence propaganda.

    Of course these stories are well known facts, but what does that really indicate? That's my question. Not necessarily that the Bible 'borrowed' them, but that it's an agreed upon theme for certain. Does it maybe indicate that genetic experiments with the human genome (aka: virgin births) have been going on for awhile? Yeah, probably so I suspect. Not just the Bible, but all ancient mythologies indicated that a hybrid genus of "giants" once existed. The Bible says that the flood was initiated to eradicate those beings, to preserve the human lineage for Christ to be born from. Look into it for yourself and see if the pieces don't fit.
    the flood story is an interesting one as all cultures have it in their story lines.

    I think using Satan is a tad of a copout IMO. That basically discredits all other bliefs that can predate christianity by thousands of years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    What are the names of these books you claim to be left out?
    actually there are several. Many of which canbe found in very old copies of the NT showing that they were originally included.
      1. book of Enoch
      2. Infancy Gospel of Jesus
      3. Gospel of Mary
      4. Gospel of Thomas
      5. Gospel of Judas (still much to be determined on this one)

    these are just a couple

    Quote Originally Posted by Flaw View Post
    Hey, my jesus didn't look like a hippie
    touche

  25. well conversations like this one allways end up the same way. Fun for a lil while but in the end Blind Faith is just that, Blind.


    I do not require a higher powers help to be a moral person in life or to appreciate every second I have to live and love my friends & family.

    I might meet your god someday, but untill then I am content being a Human "Being".

    cya guys 2morrow its like 1230am afgh time lol
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