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In a week how often you train abs and generally how many excercises , sets and reps ?
It's because you never train themI never train them. I always get a HORRIBLE cramp when i do. Yes i'm hydrated
I never train them. I always get a HORRIBLE cramp when i do. Yes i'm hydrated
I think if you are consistently adding weight to your ab exercises, and you're training them with heavy weight, its definitely possible to overdevelop them. I always stick to a higher rep range with abs, and often times just do body weight exercises for 20-25 reps. I might be completely wrong with my approach, but I would rather have tight definition than massive chunky absDoes anyone else subscribe to the belief you can overdevelop your abs/obliques to where there is a significant increase in waist circumference? Personally i'm not so sure how much mass you can add to the mid section just rather err on the side of caution.
I agree, lf you want a bigger chest you press more weight, so why train for "Bigger" abs ??I think if you are consistently adding weight to your ab exercises, and you're training them with heavy weight, its definitely possible to overdevelop them. I always stick to a higher rep range with abs, and often times just do body weight exercises for 20-25 reps. I might be completely wrong with my approach, but I would rather have tight definition than massive chunky abs
Exactly. Agreed 100%. I understand when you first start you want to use some resistance to build a foundation. But intermediate and advanced lifters shouldn't need to continue to increase resistance for ab training. If you can see your abs and they're shaped well, there's no need to blast them with heavy weightI agree, lf you want a bigger chest you press more weight, so why train for "Bigger" abs ??
This. A good friend of mine who I've worked out with a lot since HS used to do heavy, low rep (6-10 reps or so) ab work, and while he had "developed" abs, with good depth between the abs, he just had a general distended look, almost like you see with today's pros (no, he hasn't used any drugs/gear). Now that he's doing lighter weight, higher rep ab work, he's keeping the definition, but getting rid of the distended look. Just a n=1 anecdote.I think if you are consistently adding weight to your ab exercises, and you're training them with heavy weight, its definitely possible to overdevelop them. I always stick to a higher rep range with abs, and often times just do body weight exercises for 20-25 reps. I might be completely wrong with my approach, but I would rather have tight definition than massive chunky abs
Exactly! It's even more questionable when the people doing it are only in the gym for aesthetic purposes (not that it's a good exercise for athletic performance, but that's why a lot of people justify it).I get a kick out of seeing all the Guys and Girls at the gym doing side bends with like a 50lbs dumb bell, I always want to ask them why they want a wider waist ??
I do when I remember, I think it is a very good exerciseDoes anyone else do vaccums?
When I remember to, I do vacuums. I feel like I do them much more in the spring and summer when I'm thinking about the beach more, hahaDoes anyone else do vaccums?
What are vaccums?This. A good friend of mine who I've worked out with a lot since HS used to do heavy, low rep (6-10 reps or so) ab work, and while he had "developed" abs, with good depth between the abs, he just had a general distended look, almost like you see with today's pros (no, he hasn't used any drugs/gear). Now that he's doing lighter weight, higher rep ab work, he's keeping the definition, but getting rid of the distended look. Just a n=1 anecdote.
Exactly! It's even more questionable when the people doing it are only in the gym for aesthetic purposes (not that it's a good exercise for athletic performance, but that's why a lot of people justify it).
Does anyone else do vaccums?
The sucking in, or vacuuming, of the stomach/abs that a lot of old school bodybuilders did in many poses. To practice you can do vacuum holds, when you suck your stomach in (I've heard think belly button to spine). Breathing out first helps. You can do them lying, kneeling, seated, etc. Lying is the easiest for me to feel it and get a big vacuum:What are vaccums?
i do side bends (with 25's though)! lol i have such a short midsection that if i don't "grow " a slightly bigger waist, my abs wont be visible. I need to become a bit leaner too.... but ive been leaner than I currently am and had no visible abs. I have to grow them. my waist is naturally 22 , so if i get to a 23-24 inch waist, but its got more defined abs, i'll take the tradeI get a kick out of seeing all the Guys and Girls at the gym doing side bends with like a 50lbs dumb bell, I always want to ask them why they want a wider waist ??
Side bends with lighter weight can be helpful, but there are other great ways to work your obliques for definition over size. I am a big fan of core twisting movements to develop the obliquesi do side bends (with 25's though)! lol i have such a short midsection that if i don't "grow " a slightly bigger waist, my abs wont be visible. I need to become a bit leaner too.... but ive been leaner than I currently am and had no visible abs. I have to grow them. my waist is naturally 22 , so if i get to a 23-24 inch waist, but its got more defined abs, i'll take the trade
Pullovers s after every workout sounds interesting.That's precisely my observation too. See so many people hitting their abs every which way sometimes with heavy resistance. It doesn't make much sense for my goals of building an extreme v-taper. Thing is I noticed my waist expanded from heavy front squats. Basically when my front squat went up by 100lbs I'd gained size on my waist despite a constant bf%. Back squats exclusively now as I feel they hit my core less. Do vacuums when I remember. Pullovers religiously at the end of every workout.
I find this also depends on how you're doing them. For me, I often do them relatively heavy at the end of my chest workout, but don't quite bring the dumbbell as far down as possible, as I find the deepest stretch hits lats more than lower chest; you can sort of change the focus of it. I suppose using a lighter weight and just focusing on the stretch could work anytime, but I wouldn't do heavy pullovers approaching failure after every workout.Pullovers s after every workout sounds interesting.
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