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    To the critiques unless you have managed to drop the fat to this level i suggest you keep quiet otherwise your basing your assumptions on **** all and hear say.

    To the OP you look amazing, keep it up.
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    So you went from 153 to 152.3 and gained mass? You look bigger and more vascular than you did in the first video. After 13 yrs of training gaining lean mass becomes that much harder. But you're claiming to be natural? Quit lying to everyone dude. You're trying to help natty lifters but you aren't helping them at all. At you're age plus 13 yrs of training you are not building muscle and losing fat without hormonal help
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    So you went from 153 to 152.3 and gained mass? You look bigger and more vascular than you did in the first video. After 13 yrs of training gaining lean mass becomes that much harder. But you're claiming to be natural? Quit lying to everyone dude. You're trying to help natty lifters but you aren't helping them at all. At you're age plus 13 yrs of training you are not building muscle and losing fat without hormonal help
    Dude is disiplined none the less. Even if he wasn't natty it takes work to do what he's done

    But his metabolic capacity must be through the roof making his mps high and caloric expenditure high with his high protein heavy ass lifting and proper supplementation it's possible.

    There's a coach skip. He routinely recomps his clients to this nature
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    So you went from 153 to 152.3 and gained mass? You look bigger and more vascular than you did in the first video. After 13 yrs of training gaining lean mass becomes that much harder. But you're claiming to be natural? Quit lying to everyone dude. You're trying to help natty lifters but you aren't helping them at all. At you're age plus 13 yrs of training you are not building muscle and losing fat without hormonal help
    I agree.It is hard to that natty. If he is for real more power to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post

    Dude is disiplined none the less. Even if he wasn't natty it takes work to do what he's done

    But his metabolic capacity must be through the roof making his mps high and caloric expenditure high with his high protein heavy ass lifting and proper supplementation it's possible.

    There's a coach skip. He routinely recomps his clients to this nature
    Ok...but he's competing in a natural bodybuilding show. He would never admit it if he was juicing. I did however watch the video where he talks about his supplementation. He said multi vitamin, BCAA's and protein. Now come man! He's taking SOMETHING ELSE to get that ripped and in his one video he's eating ****ing cocoa puffs and shyt. No training vids, no diet vids nothing just shots of his body. I don't for a second believe this crap. I remember talking to Kris gethin on Facebook. He told me he's gone from 200 lbs to 205 in a very lengthy amount of time so there's no way he can be juicing. Now if you see Kris gethins starting pics it becomes pretty ****ing obvious. Not to mention there are plenty of drugs that aren't even steroids that get the job done but I'm so sick of this bullshyt. People get off telling others they're natty when they're not. Walk around like they're the shyt when they're nothing but a fraud
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    I know a guy about same height and weight that is naturally lean like 6% -8% bf years around. However, this guy I know has a very hard time puting on muscle....he can stay lean but def hard to put on muscle he even told me that. He doesnt juice as per injectibles, but he takes anything that would boost test that he can find legally and help him get preped for a show.
    Now like you said he may not juice per say but there are plenty of other stuff there that will help with the prep. Now this guy I know does natty shows too....is he natty or not I guess it all depends what compounds he takes. If these compounds alter your system in any way then I'd say he is not natty anymore.
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    I turned natural pro !!!!
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    You mean you won a pro card?
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    looking great dude.
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    Lol! A lot of jealousy on this thread. Dude is 150lbs and people are accusing him of steroids. Looks like the guy was detailed and put the effort in and it paid off. Congrats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstrong20 View Post
    Lol! A lot of jealousy on this thread. Dude is 150lbs and people are accusing him of steroids. Looks like the guy was detailed and put the effort in and it paid off. Congrats!
    Please show me the videos with detail because I saw none. His videos are more for entertainment. None are educational
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    I have no issue believing he is natural. He is very conditioned which does not require drugs. He is of reasonable size for his height, once again not requiring drugs. In his competition day video I think it is obvious he is natty, he has the look of a natty guy in absolutely awesome condition to me. The tell tale drug thickness is not there in the back, chest, and legs. The legs really seal the natural debate for me. Do NOT take this the wrong way the guy looks AWESOME and it is obviously the result of lots of hard work. I also have no reason to come on here and call someone a liar with nothing but my opinion to back it up.
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    ANBF also makes them take a lie detector test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madripper32 View Post
    ANBF also makes them take a lie detector test.
    Beta blockers. People can beat lie detectors.

    Dude looks great, I think he's natty.
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    Hello Everybody,
    Thanks for all the kind words.. I am Indeed All Natural...I push the Natural Scene hard...When I won my Pro Card I was only 151 pounds. I hope to help as many people out as I can....I am also going to the Arnold Classic any other???

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    Dude how the **** does that **** not tear up your stomach.

    And you finished in like record time!
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    Congratulations on receiving your natural pro card. You're conditioning was spot on, props.
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    damn thats crazy natural
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