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  1. Lifting for gains


    So I can fo to the gym and work out for hours on all the different muscles. Work out to exhaustion for five days straight. Them next two days is almost like coma. And the next week is a light one. Should I just stick to 3-4sets and call it good and feel better. Or rip it up. Do you gain more mass from killing yourself or just doing reps.


  2. also curious
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  3. No one really knows do they?! Let me guess, it's what ever you like. My ass!! Anyone got the conference around here?

  4. High reps is where its at for me, hypertrophy, check out HST it s popular and works well.

  5. Yeh, you can overtrain, the muscles stop reacting to growth stimulus. 3 full body workouts a week is all ya need, 3 sets, 10 to 12 reps, step load protocol. As long as yer eatin right should be good to go.

  6. I feels like 3-4 full body work outs a week would be great. But is that going to just maintain more then build. Do you do three a week? How big are you getting or have gotten from it? I just want to body build mot lift crazy weight.

  7. I think that everyone reaches a max in their muscle growth. Yeh I do 3 full body wos a week. Building more muscle requires massive amounts of calories that equals money spent. Right now Im not huge but its obvious I lift. Hypertrophy is where its at for me right now, light weights 10-15 reps. 3 sets. Im maintaining, Ive been bigger but its expensive to eat. Sure I love going up in the poundages big time but the caloric intake required to produce the strength is too expensive right now. Cheap junk food and starches just dont do it. A pound of high quality meat a day gets costly.

  8. I would and perform, volume. High volume with a moderate rep range 5-8 works well for me with a 1-2 minute break in between sets. Volume was the answer for me even after a few years of decent games, volume brought it to another level

  9. Curious as well....

    I think a mixture of both would be good.

    Use a weight that's kind of challenging, eat right, stay consistent.

    But I'm curious on how to grow the beat way possible: in for ideas...
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  10. Well you will never get a MAGIC answer because of individuality and many egocentric protocols. Experimentation is best and the hardest way but that's life. Volume does it's trick for a lot of people and it was the answer for me do to my training experience.

  11. Guess I'll try higher volume and moderate weight
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  12. I just can't wait 1-2 min between sets. I can when I have a partner or two. I have been doing super sets with the same muscle part just different movements to get them parts hurting, like incline press ss with incline flys with a over head stretch. It kills my chest. Or decline press ss with cable cross overs but crossing over more towards the groin area so it activates the lower chest more. I have been doing that for about the last month and feel like my chest is thankful for it. Just been running with no routine. I also think you need the routine, that is y I am back on one as of today. I will continue to do better then the last time. Easy to say.... I don't know what works the best.... Wish some smart dude would tell me. Make my weight lifting hobby a hell of a lot more fun! Or productive with all the time and money that goes into it.

  13. Yeah.
    I'm going to try light weight with a 12-15 reps. Not super light but just enough.

    I heard people make gains that way as well. It still stresses the muscles.

    I switched to upper body 2 a week and lower body twice a week. It's my first week. 2-3 sets & 1 or 2 exercise for each muscle but remember that's twice a week. We will see how it goes.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Big boy D View Post
    I just can't wait 1-2 min between sets. I can when I have a partner or two. I have been doing super sets with the same muscle part just different movements to get them parts hurting, like incline press ss with incline flys with a over head stretch. It kills my chest. Or decline press ss with cable cross overs but crossing over more towards the groin area so it activates the lower chest more. I have been doing that for about the last month and feel like my chest is thankful for it. Just been running with no routine. I also think you need the routine, that is y I am back on one as of today. I will continue to do better then the last time. Easy to say.... I don't know what works the best.... Wish some smart dude would tell me. Make my weight lifting hobby a hell of a lot more fun! Or productive with all the time and money that goes into it.
    IMO a guy has to go through all the literature available, muscle magazines, forums etc. I was in the same position as you, wondering what exercises, what sequence, length of rest periods, constantly changing my workout inhibited gains. Finally I got a set routine and stuck with it, this made recovery much faster as well as growth. First determine what morpho-type you are, according to this you may adapt your wos for better gains. This is what worked for me: 3 full body wos a week, utilizing push pull exercises, like bench press then. db rows, I only do 2 supersets per wo, unless yer juiced well they inhibit recovery, keep your weights low enough to easily do 10 reps, use step load increasing the weights by a small percent every week, once you get a template you can adjust your wo.

  15. Everyone responds differently depending on genetics. Some guys have what I call the 'freak' gene where they can work out 3 days and still have that swole and jacked look. This is the case with the guy I first started training with when I got to college. Kid was a monster no matter what we did, he was absolute animal looking. Very frustrating yet motivational when ur a frail freshmen like I was lol.

    This being said, through all my endeavors in the gym over the last 4 years as a serious lifter as a college athlete I'm still a firm believer in muscle confusion. Training for strength i feel goes hand in hand with hypertrophy. I started 4 years ago at 5' 9" 160lbs and that's generous. Redshirted first year so I committed to just building mass. I blasted hard for 8 weeks and would take a week of high rep at bout 30% of my 1rm. Then get back to it hard and repeated the process. I would use pyramid schemes and drop sets with training til failure and had a 4 on 1 off split. Used mainly grneric lifts and compound lifts like squats and cleans.I ate like a beast and blew up. Got up to bout 173lbs in 8 months or so and granted some was fat but my bf% never surpassed 12% throughout.

    The next couple of months I focused on my diet and strength gain. With compound lifts, extremity (bi's, tri's, calves, forearms) lifts, and core focus work. Would superset every major lift with a core exercise like toe touches, crunches, leg raises, planks. This really shredded Nd strengthened my full body because while activating my core in lifts, I was now focusing in on the abs an lower back a bit extra. Really shredded me up in the midsection. By the time I finished my sophomore year I was at 185lbs and 9% bf.

    Hit my junior season in the spring at 180lbs and 8%bf. really went back to my hypertrophy training with low rep heavy compound lifts to failure. Currently in my senior year and weighed in yesterday at 187lbs and 9% bf.

    Now with all this background rant...I digress, through my experiences with various trainers (one of which is former ny mets training staff and others that work with nfl guys) and my education in exercise science partially, I've learned that it's about muscle confusion through various splits, rep schemes, fast twitch slow twitch muscle training exercises and diet. IMO you must constantly change and alternate your workouts. As previously mentioned your muscles learn to adapt to exercises. Small variations in hand position or rotations, you can throw your muscle memory off enough to make gains. I try to change my muscle specific days weekly. If I hit chest on Monday and do incline press, and I do chest on Saturday I'll do incline flies instead of press or go to cable incline presses. Small changes like this can truly elevate your gains.

    In addition, if your a strength guy like I am as a baseball guy, I recommend creating 5 day split with focus on compound lifts superseted with core exercises like med ball throws and what not to develop power. (clean to press with med ball twist throws) 30-45 seconds rest max.

    If your looking for your size gains I recommend 4 day split with muscle concentration days with ab workouts 3 days a week. You'll see great gains in hypertrophy with the 5-8 rep range til failure. 1:00-1:30 rest be patient lol. Stay away from cardio exceeding 15 minutes. It can be catabolic to muscle growth.

    Remember though, recovery is key. You must be open to really committing to off days and a week thrown in here and there where you lower your weight and raise your reps. Allows your muscles to recover and at the same time still confusing them.

    Diet is another story And I could go on all night on that topic. Quick recommendation though, cut the crap food, stay away from fried stuff, red & white meats, stick to water (1.5-2 gallons/day) and eat like a beast.

    Eat clean, confuse your muscles, get creative, get 8 hours sleep, and mentally commit to your program and your goals and you will grow. Be patient. It's taken me 4 years to reach where I'm at now and I'm not content (but them again who ever is) It's taken countless guys years and decades to reach their goals. Work hard and believe in yourself and don't compare to others, your not competing against anyone except yourself. Take it one workout at a time and kill every one!

    Disclaimer: I'm no professional in any field and only speak to my personal experiences and education. I'm just another guy trying to lend a hand to someone asking for help in this quest for beastlyness.

    Enjoy the journey and never stop learning and adapting. Good luck man! Hope I helped and apologize for my long and unnecessary story. Hope some of it made sense.

    *END Rant*

  16. Wish some smart dude will tell you? ahaha. I told you what i thought, and if your not taking adequate rest to lift heavy weight then your not going to get the full benefits and probably just get sarcoplasmi hypertrophy instead of actual growth. High reps lower weight? What are you training for endurance? LOL you guys are two much, im out of here

  17. Quote Originally Posted by JajaNe20
    Wish some smart dude will tell you? ahaha. I told you what i thought, and if your not taking adequate rest to lift heavy weight then your not going to get the full benefits and probably just get sarcoplasmi hypertrophy instead of actual growth. High reps lower weight? What are you training for endurance? LOL you guys are two much, im out of here


    I'm sure this comment is not directly related to me because I didn't say I wish some smart dude would tell me that was someone else, but I will say this:
    If you only think you can make gains by strictly going heavy I would say you're mistaken.

    Also some people train for both strength and endurance.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Big boy D
    Ya!
    Hell yeah.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  19. Not mistaken/

  20. I am really surprised no one had mentioned DC training. It is an e****lent style of training regarding making lean gains naturally.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by JajaNe20
    Not mistaken/




    I'm still at you though.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    I am really surprised no one had mentioned DC training. It is an e****lent style of training regarding making lean gains naturally.
    I like the style of DC, heavy weight and very intense it's a good protocol. I don't know about the extreme stretching and what not, but I have done it before. Everything works to some degree, however; some are just lazy hence they look like how they do.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by JajaNe20

    I like the style of DC, heavy weight and very intense it's a good protocol. I don't know about the extreme stretching and what not, but I have done it before. Everything works to some degree, however; some are just lazy hence they look like how they do.
    Anything that stresses out that muscle works.
    One thing may not be better than another.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  24. Anything that stresses out the muscle? I am asking what is best for gains. Be it diet, training style, sex in the am. Anything, just sounds like boredom to me. Adventure, like your climbing for the goal at the top of olympia. With reason, need, drive! Set a goal so far outside of your reach, the day you reach it, is the day you realize that anything is possible. Ya know......

  25. there is no best way cause our bodies all work differently.

    All I'm saying is to make any gains you need to stress the muscle, in some way shape or form. I couldn't even tell you what the best way is or if I even know what the best for me is yet. I'm just going to keep trying and I'm not going to quit and I'm not going to stop & I'm not going to give up... That's what working best for me.
    Hardcore Purus Labs {Rep}
    Lift the fücking weight from the floor, or leave it on the ground. The thoughts are supposed to be daunting. The pain is meant to be tormenting.

  26. Its important to lift properly to maximize gains and prevent injury. So, there are basic things done when weightlifting. Just lifting to lift may be part of that but it has to be done with form and recovery in mind, some people make fast gains, others dont. It seems best to plan your workouts and do things just right 3x10 with at least one minute between sets, comes to mind.

  27. That comes to my mind also, but then I jump to how meany hybrids evolve from that one 3x10 routine. Makes you nuts. Is the 3sets of ten and burn outs and clean jerks, that I first learned. My roots to weightlifting. Is that my answer. The one I already knew?

  28. IMO whichever workout you choose its more important on focusing to do it twice as hard as another guy your size would... i swear when i go to the gym 1/2 the dudes in there barely have a sweat when they leave. Push your body to the max in whatever form your training, give it nutrients, and it'll compensate
  

  
 

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