- 07-14-2008, 11:32 AM
okay, so a while ago i started a thread about not feeling sore or gaining any extra mass/losing bf from x factor. Today i was reading about cinnamon and came across this statement:
"Cinnamon's ability to lower the release of arachidonic acid from cell membranes also puts it in the category of an "anti-inflammatory" food that can be helpful in lessening inflammation."
taken from:WHFoods: Cinnamon, ground
now, i eat ALOT of cinnamon, in my 3 bowls of oats a day and cup of cottage cheese before bed. When i say alot i mean i drench my food in it. Now could this be the reason for x factor not working?
and if it is can i cut out all cinnamon from now on and still get the benefits? I am currently on day 38.(and i hear you still make gains 2 weeks after your last dose)
If i had the money i would just buy another bottle and add it on to the cycle so it would be like a full cycle, but this just mafe me feel like i wasted alot of time and money on a supplement that has gotten amazing reviews and i feel would have done alot for me.
- 07-14-2008, 12:28 PM
- 07-14-2008, 12:50 PM
Hmmm. first of all, no need to bump it's already atthe top :P
I eat cinnamon regularly, and find no problems. You cantry to cut it out and see how you feel. Please let me know how it goes.
07-14-2008, 01:01 PM
back on task.lol. I dont think you understand exactly how much cinnamon i use. Im talking like 2 of those "shakers" a week into my oats. Im going to cut it all out for the rest of the cycle and if i start to feel a little more soreness i will know it was the cinnamon. I only have 12 days left though, so i may not even feel it then. If i do feel it however im going to have to really scavenge up some cash for another bottle as money is really tight now and i dont want to waste already being someone loaded with ArA. I just wish i knew before so that i could have put a potentially great stack and $100 to better use.
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07-14-2008, 02:18 PM
hope you enjoy it man. I do use alot of cinnamon and never noted any lessening of effects(but i don't seem to use as much cinnamon as you do)
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07-14-2008, 03:07 PM
Interesting, I know I sure eat alot of cinnamon in my morning porridge, but I don't think it was the reason I didn't get DOMS. Would be kind of neat if someone discovered cinnamon stops DOMS lol
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I think Steve is from Canada - I guess that explains it.
07-14-2008, 05:52 PM
Lol. This just happened to me as I was on the phone with Marcus from ATW. I was talking about how I always throw cinnabun protein into my porridge and then there was a pause... some confused laughter then he realized by porridge I meant oatmeal
It's the British influence, although the Quaker stuff is labelled oatmeal. When I think about it, porridge does sound like the Goldilocks stuff
07-14-2008, 06:17 PM
It's ok - you guys say "aboot" also.
We like you for your tar sands.
07-14-2008, 06:47 PM
I looked and looked on pubmed, but could find very little about cinnamon toxicity, looks like maybe the oil could be irritative, but I must be thinking of something else I had read.
At leaste now I know I can be much more liberal with my use of cinnamon.
07-14-2008, 07:51 PM
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07-15-2008, 07:48 AM
I will do an attempt to solve this. Please answer this question honestly:
Do you usually get sore?
Reason why I am asking is that AA is released when muscle tissue is damaged. When I come to think of it.. How can you be "more sore" if you never are? Reason is simple. You probably got used to your training/routine, and you can't seem to get sore anymore.
If you do as I say, I am willing to send you a cycle on behalf of MN for you to get a second chance at it. But you have to do as I say. I want you to try this:
Change your intensity, evercises, AND rep range. I want you to train like there is no tomorrow. If you usually do reps in the range of 6-10, do 12 reps of each exercise, and FOCUS on tearing the muscle. No need to lift heavy weights, what we want to do is damage muscle tissue, not hurt your joints.
Change all your exercises. Ex: If you usually to barbell bench, switch to dumbell. DO NOT LIFT TOO MUCH WEIGHT! We want full range, well executed movements. I want you to burn and tear them down.
Le me know how it goes.
07-15-2008, 07:54 AM
VPX zero carb whey actually has some cinnamon in it..
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07-17-2008, 02:56 PM
alright jjohn, i did that exact workout today and followed it by 20 minutes low intensity cardio (walking). Legs were beat right after, but went away after about and hour. Hopefully tomorrow i cant walk!!!
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07-18-2008, 01:42 AM
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...dspice&dbid=68Some scientists had been concerned about potentially toxic effects of regularly consuming cinnamon. This new research shows that the potentially toxic compounds in cinnamon bark are found primarily in the lipid (fat) soluble fractions and are present only at very low levels in water soluble cinnamon extracts, which are the ones with the insulin-enhancing compounds.
Ceylon, madagascar, whatever.How much coumarin does cinnamon contain?
A rough distinction can be made between two types of cinnamon. Ceylon cinnamon only contains low levels of coumarin which are safe from the Institute’s risk assessment perspective. By contrast, cassia cinnamon contains high levels of coumarin and large amounts of this cinnamon should not, therefore, be eaten.
Selected Questions about coumarin in cinnamon and other foods
Cross-section of Ceylon und Cassia Cinnamon stricks
Updated FAQs, 30 October 2006
Coumarin is a flavouring which is found in higher concentrations in the types of cinnamon grouped together under the name “cassia cinnamon”. Relatively small amounts of coumarin can already damage the liver of particularly sensitive individuals. However, this is not permanent damage. Isolated coumarin may not be added to foods. If coumarin is contained in parts of plants added to flavour foods, then it is limited to two milligrams per kilogram food. Checks by the official food control authorities had shown that this level has been exceeded, in some cases considerably, in cinnamon biscuits. This prompted the Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR) to assess the potential health risk for consumers from coumarin in cinnamon-containing foods and to establish a tolerable daily intake (TDI). Given the high levels of coumarin measured, the Institute advises consumers to only eat moderate amounts of cinnamon-containing foods, particularly in the run-up to Christmas. In response to the numerous inquiries from the media and consumers, BfR has compiled questions and answers on coumarin in cinnamon.http://www.bfr.bund.de/cd/8487How can consumers distinguish between Ceylon cinnamon and cassia cinnamon?
It is almost impossible for consumers to distinguish between Ceylon cinnamon and cassia cinnamon in cinnamon powder. The situation is different in the case of cinnamon sticks. Whereas in the case of cassia cinnamon a relatively thick layer of the bark has been rolled into a stick, the cross-section of a Ceylon cinnamon stick looks more like a cigarette - several thin layers of bark have been rolled up into a cinnamon stick resulting in a comparatively compact cross-section. The origin of the cinnamon is not normally declared on the packaging; sometimes false information has been supplied in the past.
07-21-2008, 08:22 AM
sorry, i haven't kept you updated for a while, but i did the leg workouts you suggested and the day after i wasn't too sore, but i was nonetheless. Then the next day my ham strings were killing me! Not as bad as i used to get, but they were still sore a hell. Then i had a rest day and back/bis where i incorporated some drop set techniques to get sore, and today my lower back is tight. Hope fully it starts to kick in soon, even though i have like 5 days left.
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