[Goldie612]

I agree and know you're right... But 20 years ago is when I was awed by what I was seeing...

A wrestler would have trouble in the streets with real ju jitsu or Valtudo fighter MT as well you can do some damage but the out come would number 1 a wrestler can't fight on their backs ju jitsu is comfortable top or bottom MT real good on stand up but ain't prepared for the ground at all I am not just running my mouth Bro's Im seven going on eight years in ju jitsu Black belt for two years it's all on who you train with for combat results

[kisaj]

I found that Muay Thai was the best for me because it stressed a high level of overall conditioning and fitness. I thought I was in great shape from endurance events and other sports I do, but the intensity and burst conditioning needed was an eye opener. Plus, if there is anyway to stop something from ever going to the ground, then that is the way to go. I enjoy Jui Jitsu, and it is a great form because it negates strength and size many times, but I only do it to know what to do if I was ever to be on the ground or wanted to avoid hitting someone.

[Goldie612]

Thai Boxing is very effective one of the best stand up game ever showed sweeps and kicks elbows are very punishing blows but ! you have to come in to land something good that's when ju jitsu baits another fighting art in with no clue how to defend the attack no if there was no way to grapple with the Thai boxer ju jitsu would be in trouble but I highly doubt that It would go like that Bro

[oogaly_boogal]

Muay thai, a fight starts standing up, not on your knees

[kisaj]

Thai Boxing is very effective one of the best stand up game ever showed sweeps and kicks elbows are very punishing blows but ! you have to come in to land something good that's when ju jitsu baits another fighting art in with no clue how to defend the attack no if there was no way to grapple with the Thai boxer ju jitsu would be in trouble but I highly doubt that It would go like that Bro

Brotha, I read this 3 times throwing commas and periods where I thought they should be and still came up short. I am not discounting any martial art or form of self defense, just saying what works best for me. My 5 year old daughter practices tang su do at a green belt level and spars with brown belts, so I see what any discipline can teach- because if she was 75 lbs heavier, she could kick my ass.

Anything we practice is better than nothing and I respect all of it.

[oogaly_boogal]

Actually I'd say a hybrid of muay thai and American boxing. Since traditional muay thai lacks good boxing.

[Goldie612]

That's all good Bro no one never said mine is better I gave both arts props you train whatever you feel comfortable doing we was talking about what happens if it go's to the ground and this other brother talking about a fighter starts on his knee's lol where they do that at ???

[oogaly_boogal]

That's all good Bro no one never said mine is better I gave both arts props you train whatever you feel comfortable doing we was talking about what happens if it go's to the ground and this other brother talking about a fighter starts on his knee's lol where they do that at ???

Can you read? I said a fight starts standing up. NOT on your knees. I was doing MMA/Catch wrestling/ muay Thai and boxing before it was the cool thing to do. With 18 years under my belt I think I know enough about fighting.

[Goldie612]

Who said you don't know about the fight game ? I said I don't know what you mean by the fight start on your feet not the knee's don't no fight start on their knee's that sound funny to me that's good you got some training in we all should I did six years boxing seven going on eight years of Ju-jitsu Bro I know this fight game as well

[jimbuick]

Oh yeah?! Well I can piss at least 3 yards in front of me!

[kisaj]

Hey Goldie, they make punctuation keys on the keyboard. I see you found the question mark, but there are some more.

[Goldie612]

lol half sleep

[oogaly_boogal]

Haha which Gracie was it that said ,

"first time you get hit you become a brown belt, the second time a purple belt.."

Oh and greco starts on your knees and on your feet.

[Goldie612]

In tournaments they do that Bro not in combat

[13bret]

Join MMA gym and take both striking and grappling.

[kisaj]

MMA gyms are so hard to find because they are like Crossfit, IMO. So many don't know what they are really doing and injuries and attitude is abundant.

[oogaly_boogal]

In tournaments they do that Bro not in combat

No ****, what you practice though is what becomes second nature. In the line of duty, many an officer has been shot down due to the training practice of recovering your shells from the ground.


In bar fights I've seen guys tap out lol.

Side note have fun going to the ground in a street fight and then being stabbed/stomped/shot by the guys friends.


I'm outta here

[Goldie612]

I hear yah Bro but if I'm going to the ground it's a rap from there no reaching for nothing cause mind is set on a few or more choices I have . Only takes me a few seconds to choke someone out shirts & coats are a fast way to know how to end a street fight if your not familiar with collar chokes Bro takes little as 10 seconds for a black out lol yaw brotha's be cool I'll holler

[Tomahawk88]

Y'all must be some damn masters haha.

[jimbuick]

Y'all must be some damn masters haha.

But not one of them can out piss my 3 yard mark.

[Goldie612]

Y'all must be some damn masters haha.

Not even close Bro but I do know some things

[Goldie612]

You got me there Bro lol

[13bret]

MMA gyms are so hard to find because they are like Crossfit, IMO. So many don't know what they are really doing and injuries and attitude is abundant.

There are 3 or 4 here(maybe more). Don't know if any of them are good(radio commercials make them sound awesome).

[kingk0ng]

This may has been asked already, (sorry i am new) but i am thinking of starting one of these styles. I am leaning on the Muay Thai. My main concern is losing muscle. Opinions?

I started out solely boxing when I was 16. I continued to train solely as a boxer alone until I was about 21, then I discovered BJJ.

The first time I went to a BJJ gym and actually trained I was hooked. I trained in kickboxing, boxing and BJJ for about two years until I noticed my lifts and strength starting to decline and I decided I was going to choose one of them.

In all of the fights I've been into since I started training in all of them (street fights) I really feel that it's a close between BJJ and boxing. If you're fighting someone with absolutely no training at all they are usually throwing hay makers, forget to breath as they swing, etc. and that's when you can learn boxing alone and kick someone's ass. Lets say that your opponent has some training behind them, then I think BJJ comes in.

IMO, if every fight is going to start standing up, you should learn stand up before ground game.

[kisaj]

It has been a very long time since I was in a street fight because I became smart enough to avoid them and not get into those situations that I actually used to seek out (stupid early 20s). People don't realize that a typical street fight is going to last 10-15 seconds at most. During that time, there is going to be mad swinging and cheap shots. So the best you can defend that and counter to get out of the situation, the better for you. Typically that is going to be a striking discipline.

That being said, if you don't like to get hit and kicked, but want to think and strategize, then I would say BJJ is a great place to start.

In the end, you can't lose by gaining a skill no matter the order you learn.