- 11-08-2011, 03:27 AM
- 11-09-2011, 09:13 PM
Overeem sues - Managers are morons
MMA pain machine Alistair Overeem -- the guy who's set to fight Brock Lesnar next month -- claims he's been stabbed in the back by his management team ... and he almost paid the price in the ring.
Long story short -- Overeem filed a lawsuit against his Netherlands-based management team -- claiming they duped him into signing the worst MMA contract ever ... and then tried to book him into high profile fights when he wasn't healthy enough to perform.
According to the lawsuit, filed in L.A. County Superior Court, Overeem stupidly agreed to give his managers 35% of his pre-tax income in exchange for their services -- but the managers failed him miserably.
Overeem claims the managers have refused to pay him more than $151,000 in earnings -- including a bigtime bonus he was supposed to rake in when he signed with the UFC.
Overeem is suing for unspecified damages -- and he wants a court order to break his contract with the management team ASAP.
Overeem is scheduled to fight Lesnar on Dec. 30 -- a fight worth millions of dollars that he clearly doesn't want his managers to get their hands on.
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JDS/Cain is going to be a great fight. I'm so amped up to see this and believe it could easily be FOTY, which I don't think has ever happened with HWs. I'm not a huge fan of either of them, but that has not diminished my excitement for this at all.
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I'm relatively neutral fan-wise in regards to Cain and JDS. If anything, I have a little grudge against Cain for his raping of Brock Lesnar, but between the two Cain and JDS, I like JDS a little more. They both seem like classy guys, family oriented guys, both real respectful, it's hard to pick a villain here, but I'll be rooting for JDS. Also, I agree, having two HW even in prospect contention for fight of the year is a pretty cool thing.
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Dan Henderson Wants Jon Jones After Shogun Fight This Weekend
“I actually would have rather been in a fight for the title, but this fight excites me too. Shogun’s a tough guy, and it’s gonna be a big challenge… I’m not going to try extra hard to knock him out just to get a title shot. I’m going out there first and foremost to win the fight, and obviously try to finish him along the way… I do think that [Jon Jones] would be a fight I would enjoy. He’s awkward and unorthodox and it creates something to think about and how to beat that, and that’s what excites me these days. Guys that are a big challenge, and he would be more cause he’s awkward and dangerous at the same time, but I think he matches up really well with me style wise… I’m not one to buy into things too quickly. I’ve been doing this for a long time and seen a lot of guys beat a lot of tough guys really quick and then die out.”
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Open Letter From Miguel Angel Torres
To my family, friends, and true students, I miss you guys and am coming home in a week. The choices I have to make to become a world champion again comes at an extremely high expense. I know what must be done to take care of my family, students, business, and employees.
When I was fighting in local events in small shows it was easy to just train in my own gym. The game has changed so much, every fight team has a gym of 40 full time fighters who live and train full time and are always in the gym, do not work, do not go to school, or diss training cause of their girlfriends. I have had to raise the stakes immensely to achieve a life long accomplishment.
This message is just to clear my mind so I can prepare for my fight next week. If one can't appreciate what it costs physically, mentally, emotionally, or even monetarily to do what I do at the highest level then they can stop coming to my gym.
If you ever even get close to where I am, you might understand where I am coming from. Everyone makes choices for a reason, I have a real opportunity at being the best in the world, not just taking a chance or going for a long shot.
Concerning my "friends" and "students" who left my gym to start their own gyms, good luck. By now you should have seen that its not as easy as it looks, now imagine juggling a pro career in the ufc, training full time, honoring various contracts with corporate sponsors, looking for a manager that has robbed you of 100gs, a family that misses you, students who all want to train under you, and back-stabbers who talk **** behind your back and all you can do is smile and say its ok.History is made by those who have the balls and heart to go for it. I will get mine.
Concerning having loyalty and setting an example, no one works as hard as me or pays the price I pay to do what I do. Nothing has been handed to me, graduated from Purdue with a bs in marketing, earned a black belt in bjj in 6 years, began a gym in 2003, been training mma all over the world since 1999, won titles in over 8 local promotions, became a world champion of the WEC in under a year, defended my belt 3 times, and now am in the UFC ready to do it again. As far as setting an example, quit blaming others for your bad decisions.
Everything looks easier on tv. Don't get the game twisted, loyalty...Two choices 1) come back home to corner a fighter who doesn't listen to what I say to get a cut of 0% of his purse, who pays no gym dues, causes pain and drama to my family, doesn't pay the trainers at my gym, uses my equipment at no cost, causes dissent amongst my students and speaks ill of me behind my back and to others or 2) train properly for a fight in a gym that has pro fighters my size that will 100% make me 125gs plus a potential 80g bonus and one step closer at regaining a title that I once held? The answer is not rocket science. I'm not worried, again good luck on all your endeavors.
Unless your going to speak ill of me to my face keep my name out your mouth. Everyone's looking for the same thing, only difference between you and me is that I will realize it and you will only watch it on tv or read about it. Funny thing is its easier to get where I am with my help, I'm where you want to be. All you have to do is listen to what I say. You don't want to wait, you jumped the gun, thats on you.
Once the trigger is pulled and the bullet is out the chamber it can't be taken back.
You took your shot, were too far away and missed. Now you want to play the blame game and pass the buck. A real man loses and cowboys up. If you would have won, you would of talked **** how you didn't need me and won anyways.
Things get a little bumpy and you want to bail. This message is intended for many people, being out here alone all I hear is rumors and stories of what is going on while I'm gone. I never claimed to be perfect, a god, a millionaire, or claim to have all the answers in life, but I do know about hard work, mma, martial arts, fighting, and getting **** done. To everyone who supports me, my gym, my career, thank you and I love you guys.
Trust me that I miss my gym family as much as my family at home and my friends. It hurts to be away and not be able to sleep cause you are worried about everything that is going on. I saddens me that this is what it has come to but in life we all chose our own paths. Miss you guys, see everyone in a weak when I come home.
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The worst thing for the UFC would be if Machida and Shogun won their respective fights. A Machida/Rashad or Machida/Shogun fight wouldn't have the same luster as a JJ/Hendo or JJ/Rashad fight.
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Yoshihiro Akiyama draws Jake Shields for welterweight debut at UFC 144
Japanese fans are in for a treat, as the UFC has announced Yoshihiro Akiyama will make his long-awaited welterweight debut as part of the organization’s February 26 stop in Saitama Japan for UFC 144. Better yet, continuing the trend of apt adversaries for Akiyama, the 13-4 Judoka will face former Strikeforce champion Jake Shields for what should be a co-headliner alongside Frankie Edgar’s title-defense against Ben Henderson.Only 5’10”, Akiyama made the decision to drop to 170 pounds after falling in three straight fights including a brutal knockout loss to Vitor Belfort in August. He holds past wins in his career over Melvin Manhoef, Denis Kang, and Alan Belcher, as well as a number of exciting performances to his credit including a “Fight of the Year” candidate against Chris Leben at UFC 116.
Shields is also coming off a strike-based stoppage after Jake Ellenberger finished him off less than a minute into their headlining bout at UFC Battle on the Bayou. Prior to the defeat he had gone the distance against Georges St. Pierre, becoming the first fighter to win a round from the Canadian champ in years, and entered the title-fight coming off victories over Martin Kampmann, Jason Miller, and Dan Henderson.
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UFC Bypasses NY Legislators, Files Lawsuit
With their attempts to go through the legislative process to legalize mixed martial arts in New York stalled in governmental muck year after year, the UFC on Tuesday announced that they are taking their fight to the courts.
The UFC and a group of plaintiffs that includes fighters, fans, trainers, and others involved in MMA (the plaintiffs), have filed a lawsuit against New York State officials challenging the constitutionality of the state law banning live professional MMA events and associated activities.
Professional mixed martial arts events have been banned in New York since 1997. The ban was enacted at a time when mixed martial arts was more commonly known as no holds barred with few rules and little to no regulation. It has since morphed into a full-fledged sport, allowed across the United States and the world, minus New York of course.
The lawsuit alleges the ban on MMA is unconstitutional, violating numerous provisions in the United States Constitution, including the First Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause, and the Due Process Clause. The lawsuit alleges that the ban on MMA infringes on the rights of fighters who want to display their skills, the rights of fans who would like to experience live MMA events, and the rights of those who train, publicize or otherwise advance MMA in New York.
The plaintiffs point to the following in support of the lawsuit:
• The Ban was originally imposed in 1997, at a time when MMA was unregulated and prohibited in many other states. Today, MMA is a highly-regulated, broadly popular sport, which experts and supporting safety data verify is as safe as or safer than many sports and activities that are legal in New York, including boxing, football and rodeo.
• MMA is widely available on television in New York, and many New Yorkers lawfully train and spar in MMA.
• Live professional MMA can take place in virtually every state except New York.
• The individual martial arts that comprise MMA, including kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, judo, boxing and wrestling, are legal and performed live regularly in New York – it is only their combination, performed live by professionals, that is banned in New York.
“MMA is one of the fastest growing sports in the U.S. and one of the most popular in the world,” said Lorenzo Fertitta, Chairman and CEO of Zuffa LLC, owner of the UFC. “When we acquired the UFC, we went to great lengths to invite regulation and adopt substantial safety measures. MMA is now as safe as or even safer than many other sports and activities sanctioned in New York like boxing, for example, because it allows fighters to honorably tap out and involves far fewer hits. All the disciplines that go into mixed martial arts are performed live in New York; it is only their combination that is illegal. Denying fighters the chance to exhibit their training and skills before a live audience and denying thousands of New Yorkers the ability to watch their favorite fighters perform live is not only an injustice to them, but to the local markets that would reap tremendous economic benefits from hosting competitions. We believe the ban should be eliminated, and look forward to fighting live in New York.”
The UFC has tried for years to legalize MMA in New York via the political process. Despite support from numerous legislators in the state, time and time again, legislation has stalled somewhere along the line.
The problem, according to UFC president Dana White, isn’t so much that individual legislators don’t want mixed martial arts, a sport that is also a proven economic stimulator, in their state, but a union that has a beef with the principals of the UFC.
“It has nothing to do with mixed martial arts, of all things; it’s the Culinary Union that’s keeping us out of New York,” White told radio hosts Boomer and Craig on WFAN over the summer. “They’re powerful guys.”
Why would the Culinary Union have anything to do with trying to slow or block the legalization of MMA in New York?
White believes it is because his partners at Zuffa (the company that owns the UFC), Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta, are also involved in the casino business. Their company, Station Casinos, is one of the largest non-union casino companies in the United States.
This is where the rubber meets the road. The Culinary Union has been trying for years to unionize Station Casinos, but thus far, has been thwarted. This is why White believes they are using their vast resources – the Culinary Union boasts approximately 60,000 members – to stop the Fertittas from bringing their mixed martial arts business to New York.
He believes the Culinary Union is using its influence among New York politicians, pressuring them not to pass legislation to approve sanctioning of MMA.
That’s likely the impetus behind why the UFC has decided to go the legal route in New York, pointing to not only the company’s rights, but specifically to the rights of individuals involved in and drawn to the sport.
“Performing MMA live in front of a crowd is an un*****ed experience and allows me to speak to my fans,” said Plaintiff and UFC competitor Brian Stann. “I was attracted to MMA during my time in the Marine Corps, after I returned from my first deployment to Iraq in 2005 and was looking for a path that allowed me to stay motivated, and inspire others, particularly fellow veterans. MMA is a brotherhood that demands respect for your fellow fighters and rewards mental discipline and skill. It has given countless veterans a way to rehabilitate and connect with other military veterans and I am grateful every day for the ability to compete and inspire my fans.”
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UFC Champ Junior dos Santos Headed for Surgery
Junior dos Santos, fresh off capturing the UFC heavyweight title from Cain Velasquez, is headed to the sidelines.
Although he injured his knee just 11 days prior to the UFC on Fox main event, he stuck it out, capturing the belt in the process. But he won’t be seeing the inside of the Octagon again anytime soon, as he is instead headed for the operating table.
“He’s gonna make the surgery soon,” Brazilian journalist Marcelo Alonso said on Monday’s edition of The MMA Show with Mauro Ranallo. “He didn’t say exactly when, but he’s gonna make the surgery.”
That’s not really a surprise, considering dos Santos was on crutches a mere 11 days prior to the fight with Velasquez.
“When Cain was throwing some kicks, I was worried about that because Junior tore his meniscus before the fight, 11 days ago,” the new champ’s training partner, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, told MMAWeekly.com after the fight. “So he was on crutches for a while.”
Depending upon the extent of the injury and the duration of the recovery time, the surgery shouldn’t interfere all that much with the timeline for dos Santos’ first defense, anyway.
It would be ideal for him to defend the belt on his home turf when UFC 142 lands in Brazil in January, but that wouldn’t have happened even if dos Santos were healthy. UFC president Dana White has declared that the Dec. 30 fight between former UFC champion Brock Lesnar and former Strikeforce champion Alistair Overeem at UFC 141 will determine the first challenger to dos Santos’ belt.
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JDS fought with a ron meniscus and will need surgery. However, it shouldn't keep him out for a significant period.
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Bas Rutten Rips Alistair Overeem
PL: Strikeforce, K-1 and Dream champion (and your fellow countryman) Alistair Overeem will be battling Lesnar on December 30th with a UFC world title shot at stake. There has been a lot going on with Overeem lately, including the shocking news that Alistair was leaving the Golden Glory team and firing his managers. Have you discussed any of this with him, maybe found out his reasons for doing it?
BR: Oh no, you didn't go there! (laughs) I thought that if nobody asks, I won't say anything, but now that you ask me I have to! It's been bothering me a lot! OK, here I go.
It's a money thing. He simply doesn't want to pay the people who made him. When he lost three fights in a row...well, like pretty much 5, I mean, he lost, won, lost three times in a row, won, and lost again...and nobody wanted to have him.
But his management kept pushing and using the power that they have because they have other great fighters. Like, for example [they would say]: "If you want Semmy Schilt to fight, then you have to take Alistair as well."
It's funny how fighters think. When it goes bad with them, their team is everything to them, and they love their team. In interviews after they win a fight, they say: "I owe everything to my team". Then when the management starts to put great fights together for them, directing their careers and the fighter gets better and better, some of them simply can't handle it, and it gets to their head.
I had a bad feeling already when he called himself, after he won the K-1 Grand Prix, a "legend". He actually said in an interview right after he won: "I am a legend now". I don't think a fighter can ever make that comment about himself.
And talking about the Grand Prix, let's face it, he had a great deal of luck as well there. He fought Peter Aerts who had a WAR with Semmy Schilt [previously that night] and was completely banged up, and then he fought [Gokhan] Saki, who had a broken arm AND hand, in the finals! At that moment when you win, you should say: "I'm very happy with the result, the stars were in line for me tonight, I also got a little bit of luck". Because everybody is going to say that about you anyway, you might as well simply say it yourself to keep the people respecting you, but NOT: "I'm a legend".
PL: Wow, sounds like you're genuinely pissed off at Alistair about this.
BR: Of course, I see it too many times. I KNOW what Golden Glory did for him. He couldn't punch or kick when he came to them, and I mean, HE COULDN'T PUNCH OR KICK! Some fighters get big and then forget who was fighting for them when they were losing. Two months ago, he wanted to make a belt for the Golden Glory team with "FOR CHAMPION MANAGEMENT" engraved on it. Those were HIS words after they made this huge contract for him, and now he says they are morons? He used them to negotiate the best deal and when they did it, now suddenly they are morons? Explain that to me. It's unreal.
Also, a few months ago, when they started to get close to a good deal with the UFC, he realized that he could make a lot of money. The first thing he did was go to Cor Hemmers, his striking coach, and tried to renegotiate the 10% trainer's fee.
You have to understand, [a deal like Alistair's UFC contract] is a dream for trainers, because there is a possibility that they create, with the help from management of course, a fighter who can make some REAL money for them. Because let's face it, most trainers don't live in a huge house, don't drive a big car, they do it for the love of the fighter they train. They put their whole heart and soul in there.
When a fighter's lost three in a row, and there is no hope for him, the trainer is always there for him, helping him again and again, and the management is trying to find fights for him. Understand as well that trainers like Cor Hemmers and Martijn de Jong are busy with the fighter 24 hours a day. I talked to Cor in the past and he told me he couldn't sleep from all the tension, and about thinking: "What's the best game plan for Alistair?" Also know that when Alistair [first] came to Cor, when he would get hit, he would turn his back to his opponent and didn't want to fight! You saw that when he fought his first K-1 fight in Holland, it was very bad. And when he was losing, [his trainers] were the ones who convinced him to go heavyweight since he was cutting way too much [to make light-heavyweight].
PL: I guess that was when his infamous horse meat diet began, huh? (laughs)
BR: (laughs) I'm not gonna go in there, because that's never been proven and I always say "Only make comments like that if you know 100% it's true, not 99%". So anyway, [Hemmers and de Jong] put him back on track, they GAVE him all those skills, they were there from the beginning, and they build him to become the fighter he is now. So for a fighter to go in and trying to renegotiate the 10% trainer's fee is just absurd. Ask ANY trainer who has made a fighter from scratch if he would think that's good. Please let me know if you can find ONE person.
PL: You've said that Martijn de Jong is one of the people being wronged here, but I can't recall Alistair saying anything bad about him. In fact, from what I've seen it's been quite the opposite, he's been very complimentary of de Jong all through this situation.
BR: Yeah, he tries to let the rest of the world think that the coaches and other fighters are on his side, and that it's only the management he has problems with. But that is absolutely NOT the case. I mean, go to Cor Hemmers' gym and look at the posters with pictures of Alistair on there, see what his fellow fighters did to them.
And you know what he said to Martijn? I know this because I talked with Martijn personally three days ago. When he told Martijn he didn't want to pay the 10% trainer's fee--and remember, Cor and Martijn SPLIT the 10%, so it's not 20% in total--Martijn told him that he was there with him for TWELVE YEARS, and that they trained him for so long and went through the ups and downs, especially the downs. And on top of that, he said that he was Alistair's friend this whole time, and made a big contribution to Alistair's success.
But Alistair said: "Yeah, if we have to talk about people who contributed to my success, then I also have to mention my cleaning lady who cleans my house for eleven and a half Euros an hour."
OK, just think about that for a second. It's almost like it's not real. I mean, he REALLY said this! I wouldn't tell you if it wasn't the truth, you know me, Paul.
PL: Well, while I can't say that this doesn't sound shocking, in the 14 years that I've known you I've never heard you tell lies about anyone or even be accused of it.
BR: Thank you, my friend. But to continue, just the fact that he uses the words "trainer" and "cleaning lady" in the same sentence is so disrespectful. And his new offer to Martijn was LESS THAN ONE PERCENT! Plus then of course Martijn has to see if he actually gets it. I said this before--normally Golden Glory gets the money from promoters in THEIR account. THEY pay the trainers, sparring partners, the fighters and their own fee of course, and this way, everybody who needs to get paid, gets paid! Oh, and many times [Golden Glory] would pay also for extra tickets to the fight, like flights to Japan or America, for the fighter's girlfriend or other friends. They would pay their hotel room, food, everything.
When the UFC said that they wanted to give the check directly to the fighter and not to the management, I already felt the problem coming. I right away thought: "Nobody is gonna get paid". You can actually find that in my long tweet about Golden Glory in the past that many people read. I wrote it when it happened, and sure enough, that's what happened, nobody got their money.
Well, I take that back. From the first check that Alistair personally got, he did pay his trainers 1.5% instead of the 10% that they should have got! So, as example, if the 10% trainer's fee would have been $20,000, Alistair paid $2,500 and still owes $17,500.
And people wonder why Golden Glory wants it first in their account--well, there you have it, so that EVERYBODY who helped the fighter gets paid! They [allowed direct payment to the fighter] ONE time and it went right away wrong, also with another fighter on that card by the way, so the proof is in the pudding.
Martijn also should have gotten a percentage of the sponsor money, but didn't get anything from that as well. Needless to say, after the "cleaning lady" comment and the "less then 1%" offer, Martijn declined to be [Alistair's] trainer in the future.
Listen, if you leave your old crew, and have a NEW trainer, who comes in NOW after all the real work is done, then YES, you can make a different deal with him, which is exactly what Alistair did now. And since he knew that his management and the Golden Glory guys were not gonna take his new deal, he simply left them and came up with this whole story that's unfolding now.
And I am 100% sure, if he wanted to renegotiate the 20% management fee that he was paying before, [Golden Glory] would have done that in an instant. They would have understood that with a big contract like this, they could take a lesser fee if he really thought they didn't deserve it.
But instead he complains in public about paying 35% of his money, which is another thing! People say, "Oh, 35% is a lot of money, he shouldn't do that!" First of all, it's 30%. He ASKED to make it 35% to get a break on TAXES...but that's another crazy story. But it's 30%, ALWAYS been 30%
With my job now, any TV, movie, commercial, or whatever I do, I am out 30% right away from management, agent, and lawyer fees. But they make sure my life is good, and that I don't make a mistake, so I happily give them that money, and you know what? It's tax deductible! And another thing, EVERY actor pays the same percentage.
Alistair says he wants to come and live here in California. Really? And do WHAT after he stops fighting? What if he starts losing? Acting? TV, movies, commercials? How on earth is he gonna do that? He doesn't want to pay 30%! And these people who he has to hire, like an entertainment manager, an agent and a lawyer, who didn't even help him before now, they will still want him to pay 30%. I wonder how he's gonna justify what he's doing [to his former trainers and management] when he starts having to pay 30% to new people? Just food for thought for the future.
PL: So, going back to my original question, have you actually discussed this stuff with Alistair himself?
BR: Alistair actually called me to explain his side of the story. The only thing I told him was: "If I was you, I would read all the e-mails [that your trainers and management] send to you, because everything is in there. They did NOT try to scam you." He said: "Yeah, but there was talk about a lot of money that they would get half from." This is an outside payment, by the way, not part of his contract or a signing bonus or anything. It was supposed to go half to him, with a group of people who helped him a LOT in the past each getting a share of the other half. He said: "I found out by accident, by accident"--he said it twice--"that they would get half, and we are talking about a lot of money."
I said: "I know what money you talk about, because [Golden Glory] even told me, and they NEVER told me to not to tell you about it. So again, if I were you, I would read the e-mails, it's all in there."
But once a fighter has it in his head that he is being screwed, people around him fuel those thoughts. They say: "Yeah, don't pay 30% to the trainers, management and sparring partners. YOU made them, not the other way around." And these are people who weren't there when Alistair had his bad streak, the 5 losses in 7 fights. No, a bunch of these guys showed up when he started winning.
And if you say that many times enough to a fighter, then eventually they start thinking like that. And he actually said this to his management last month: "I made the team. Because of ME, the team is so good". Well, if he still thinks that after reading everything I just said to you, then I am actually happy that [he and Golden Glory] broke up, because that is NOT a friend or team member.
PL: How much money are we talking about?
BR: I don't wanna go there. I just talk about what I know is 100% true, because I knew this when this all happened. I don't even wanna know how much he could make, but I guess it's enough to make him turn on his friends who were there from the beginning for him, through thick and thin, ups and downs, and especially the downs.
But hey, he's not the only one, there are many fighters who, when they made the switch to the UFC, or any other organization that would pay them "real" money, suddenly left their coaches and management who were there from the beginning. I'm not gonna mention names, but there are many of them, I talked about this in the past, including two other guys from Golden Glory. My question is: where are they now? Because suddenly their careers went down, injuries started to come out of nowhere, and now it's over. They call that "karma".
The last thing I say about this: Alistair never complained before about the 30%. NEVER. Because he knew what [Golden Glory] did for him. And now when he makes it big, now suddenly it's too much? Now suddenly they don't deserve that? That's "Scrooge stuff" right there.
And you know what? He didn't make this money yet, he has to win first, and now he stepped up in the competition. The guys he beat were all let go from the UFC, which means they lost there, and now he has to fight the guys who beat his old opponents. What will he do without a team as strong as Golden Glory, who did everything for him? When everything settles down, when he starts reminiscing about the good things, and starts thinking about stuff like I just wrote about, well, good luck with the fight preparation.
OK, enough, I don't wanna talk about it anymore. For any other interviewer who reads this, this is it, nothing more, so please don't contact me...well, it depends on what's gonna be said now of course. I still have something else I might be sharing, depends on what happens. I will let you know.
But this is my side of the story and both Alistair and I know this is 100% the truth. He hurt my friends emotionally, and then on top of everything he starts writing bad about THEM?! Wow. Cor Hemmers even had to go to the hospital with heart problems TWICE since this whole thing has started, and he never had any problems like that before. And Ron Nyqvist, my good friend, was really emotional about it. He said to me: "I don't care about the money Bas, you know that, it's really not about that. He just really hurt us all. The whole team, everybody." I could hear it in his voice, it got to him, it really did, and that's why I tell you this.
PL: Wow. I'm almost out of breath after hearing all that. Bas, I can't thank you enough for your candor and your time.
BR: No problem, vato. I had to get this off my chest, it was really getting to me, but now it is out there. I will let you know if I want to say any more, but for now, I have said my piece on the matter. But if you think THIS is a lot, wait for what Golden Glory has to say, all the discussions he had with them, favors, anything, they have a lot. But that's between them, I wasn't there, so it's for them to say.
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