- 08-08-2010, 05:43 PM
- 08-08-2010, 06:36 PM
With all due respect Mullet; I wanted Sonnen to beat the crap out of Silva. If you read my post at the begining of this thread you'll see I am sincere but ....I am re; watching the first round right now in slow motion. Watch from 3:45 on down to 3:20 etc. and you will clearly see Silva eating Sonnen's punches and seeing them coming from 10 miles away.....no, actually from 1000 miles away. He saw ever single punch and every single take down coming and has his full senses with him for every single move Sonnen made and every single punch that Sonnen landed....you can clearly see it in Silva's eyes and body movement etc. He beautifully slips several of Sonnens punches but just stands there eating others while fully aware they are coming and deliberately keeping his hands down....not stunned at all....contrary to what Goldberg and Rogan are saying. Slow motion thankfully kills the sound.
There is no doubt in my mind that either he was seriously injured from b4 the fight and was in pain and could not react properly or he was toying with Sonnen and putting on a show. Remember....he is one wacky dude who doesn't exactly function with the same logic that you do.
I think if you give it the time and watch in slow motion you'll see Silva was never in trouble, probably for the whole fight I am guessing, but I'd have to rewatch the whole thing to be sure.
Sonnen also set a new compustrike record for punches landed ....289....yet no damage to Silva.
After re:watching there is No doubt in my mind ....either Silva was in pain and couldn't fight properly or it was a show. Slow mo is very revealing.
Flame away but watch it slow first.
- 08-08-2010, 06:55 PM
08-08-2010, 06:58 PM
08-08-2010, 06:59 PM
08-08-2010, 07:00 PM
08-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Then again, I was never convinced that A. Silva was P4P # 1, and was fully aware that his defensive wrestling was horrid; so, how the events took place was not a giant shock, and nor was the fact that they took place. I have commented in the past how Lutter, Franklin, Marquardt and Henderson all took him down, it just seems Chael had better top control than the others.
08-08-2010, 07:08 PM
08-08-2010, 07:12 PM
08-08-2010, 08:04 PM
08-08-2010, 09:25 PM
Here is the undeniable truth exported from last night's bout, no matter how you choose to analyze it: for 24 minutes of the fight, Chael Sonnen was a better fighter than Anderson Silva. Period.
He implemented the exact same gameplan Dan Henderson successfully used in round one of the Hendo/Silva match, but, unlike Hendo, did not fall in love with his right hand in the second round - and as a result, he did not pay for it.
This rib injury is utter nonsense, and truly robs a fighter of the performance of his career - even in coming up short.
08-08-2010, 10:05 PM
Quit the sniveling mullet, Silva is the better fighter no matter how you slice it.
He got the W last night, like it or not.
08-08-2010, 10:17 PM
That being said, you have to be fucking delusional - which given your comments in this thread, seems to be the case - not to understand and recognize that Sonnen outclassed Silva for the vast majority of the fight.
08-08-2010, 10:22 PM
Not the kind of victory I'd gloat about. A win is a win, but getting dominated for 4 3/4 rounds isn't something you can be condescending about. Sonnen was suppose to get KTFO in the first. Sonnen still lost at the end of the night, but he backed up 95% of his outrageous trash.
Also, if Chael could land damaging shots on Silva, Vitor would anal assault Silva like they met on Craig's List.
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08-08-2010, 10:23 PM
Meh, the "beaten pillow" technique is a very good method of tiring your component out, then subing him in the final minutes of the last round. Look it up, that comes from the Nogueira camp.
So who's up next for the taking in the Spiders web?
08-08-2010, 10:26 PM
08-08-2010, 10:27 PM
08-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Indeed. "How to Win by Having Your Ass Handed to You on a Platter for 24 Minutes" was actually a component of the instructional DVDs that Anderson Silva released. It was the section before, "How Not to Stop a Takedown," and right after "Using Your Face as a Shield While in Guard."Meh, the "beaten pillow" is a very good method of tiring your component out then subing him in the final minutes of the last round. Look it up, that comes from the Nogueira camp.
08-08-2010, 10:30 PM
08-08-2010, 10:35 PM
08-08-2010, 10:39 PM
As I said, I just like to poke at you. Dance, monkey! Haha.
08-08-2010, 10:43 PM
08-09-2010, 12:25 PM
Sonnen went up big time in my book. He man-handled Silva, even knocked him down with strikes. In the end we all know he lost the fight but like others have pointed out he basically raped silva for 4 1/2 rounds then lost just like the same way he always does by sub. Even Silva got on his knees and bowed to him after the fight. Not trying to take anything away from Silva, he is a great fighter and a true champion but sh1t Chael shoulda just kept fighting it till he either passed out or got out of the hold.
08-09-2010, 08:49 PM
I think I saw Kris talk about money and his wallet 8 times scrolling through this thread. All I gotta say shut up tool bag no one cares, you think you are the only one to come up big? I made 11 grand on the world cup alone. at one point i was up 14.5.
08-10-2010, 02:05 AM
08-10-2010, 02:02 PM
yeah dude nobody gives a flying f### how much "the spider" won you from retard friends at the bar, who were dumb enough to bet $$$ on a 9 to 1 underdog with an even payout for both sides. if you would have placed the bet online or anywhere else with a -600 you would have only won a fraction of that half g.
08-10-2010, 11:18 PM
End of round one....Silva walking back to corner....corner man attempts to help him by grabbing his arm....Silva pulls his arm away....points to his ribs on his right side and says something like....."lay off, my ribs bloody hurt!"
WAS THIS UTTER NONSENSE?
08-10-2010, 11:38 PM
08-10-2010, 11:38 PM
I wanted Silva to lose like many others but I am not a fan of fighters who simply control for the decision and are absolutely lost at how to do damage or lost when it comes to finishing the fight.
I guess what I am saying is I don't have much appreciation for the control type decision wins that Sonnen and Fitch have become famous for or what Evans did with the Rampage fight. If the fighter on the bottom does most of the damage then there is clearly something wrong,
08-10-2010, 11:45 PM
Another thing to realize is scar tissue. Just looking at Sonnen's face u can tell that man has a lot of scar tissue. A guy who is a perfect example of scar tissue is Forrest Griffin. What does he do all the time? Bleed and look like he just got hit in the face with a hammer.
Obviously certain fighting styles are going to lead to more scar tissue. Im sure we all can think of a few guys who have limited scar tissue.
08-10-2010, 11:59 PM
How did Anderson Silva submit Chael Sonnen?
For Sonnen and those close to him, that question will linger at least until the next time he gets another crack at the UFC middleweight championship. If, that is, he gets one.
"For 23 minutes, he didn't get triangled," said veteran fighter and trainer Matt Lindland, who worked Sonnen's corner during the fight Saturday in Oakland, Calif. "For one second, he did. You've got to stay focused for 25 minutes, not 23. That's all it was."
Sonnen has now tapped out five times in his career when confronted with the triangle/armbar position, raising questions not only about his ability to maintain focus throughout the duration of a fight, but also his technical proficiency when it comes to submission application and defense.
It was among the funnier lines Sonnen tossed out. He doesn't train jiu-jitsu, he said, because Republicans don't fight from their back with another man between their legs. But was he serious? Was it possible one of the best fighters in the world couldn't be bothered with a staple discipline of the sport?
As always, Sonnen's life is an exercise in semantics.
"Jiu-jitsu is a sport that you train that you have a gi on," said his chief strategist Robert Follis. "He doesn't train jiu-jitsu. Matt Lindland has never done jiu-jitsu, and he tapped out quite a few legitimate black belts on the ground. It's a positional game and a fight on the ground."
And yet, Sonnen keeps getting caught. Just last year Demian Maia locked in one of the finest triangles you'll ever see.
Silva and his camp noticed.
"We saw just that sometimes Sonnen gets too confident with his punching and he opens holes," said Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, the heavyweight great who awarded Silva his black belt in BJJ.
The idea was for Silva to establish his guard -- he told people in his locker room before the fight that he would be taken down and would have to win the fight from his back -- and allow Sonnen to punch himself into a bad position.
Nogueira said he saw Silva attempt what they worked on in camp seven times before the final round. Each try was shut down when Sonnen made sure to stay in tight or back out. But in the fifth round, which Nogueira couldn't bring himself to watch as he "kept his head down and prayed," Silva finally nailed it.
For a full 30 seconds before sneaking his left leg across the top of Sonnen's neck to lock down the choke, Silva maintained wrist control on Sonnen's right arm -- a major error that led to the tap as much as any lapse in focus.
"He should have recognized that wrist control and peeled the hands," Lindland said.
But Sonnen didn't. Not only that, but he also continued to throw his left hand at Silva's head, which is exactly what the champion and his team hoped for after watching film of the strong wrestler.
"Anderson has long legs and Sonnen was really inside his guard," Nogueira said. "He was too outside or too inside. He was never in the middle. And in the middle of the position is when you find the time to submit a guy. Anderson held his arm and wrist and let Sonnen punch and get confidence. He put himself in the middle position and Anderson took the chance to take his knee outside so it was one arm in, one arm out so he could do the triangle."
Silva, Nogueira said, promised just before stepping in the Octagon that the finish would happen like that. Among the many memorable things that came out of Sonnen's mouth during the lead-up to the fight, nothing upset Silva as much as the challenger's disrespect of the Nogueira brothers' brand of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
Earning a black belt from the Nogueiras is like a finding a toy with a Happy Meal, Sonnen joked.
"It was a crazy thing Sonnen did," Nogueira said.
After returning from Oakland to Los Angeles on Sunday, Silva watched a replay of UFC 117 with his manager, Ed Soares. As he sat through the four-plus-round war with his fighter, Soares said Silva had just one reaction: "Wow, that's a hell of a fight. Sonnen really took it to me."
During the bout's roughest patches, Silva thought about God, his family and the sacrifices he underwent on his road to becoming MMA's dominant middleweight, he told his manager.
"In this fight, Anderson showed he was human," Nogueira said. "He showed he could be weak. But he showed he is a fighter and he brings something from his heart. It was beautiful."
Six days before submitting Sonnen, Silva called Soares 13 times in 25 minutes because he didn't know what to do.
The champion was in excruciating pain after suffering what he would soon learn were bruised ribs during a training session that Friday. As the sun came out on Aug. 1 following a sleepless night, Silva was apparently having trouble breathing and Soares took him to an emergency room.
That's why he didn't corner Mark Munoz against Yushin Okami in San Diego.
Soares demanded that Silva rest, watch TV and relax. "Why are you going to sit in a car two hours down to San Diego and two hours back?" the manager told his fighter.
Silva was laid up in bed Sunday and Monday. Tuesday they traveled to Oakland and he didn't train again until Wednesday night.
Lasting through a brutal opening five minutes against Sonnen, Silva slowly retreated to his corner between rounds, pointed to his ribs and winced. Soares said the champion couldn't take full breaths, and that his core strength had been severely degraded.
Doctors told Silva immediately after the fight that it was difficult to see the extent of his injury. He'll visit a specialist in Los Angeles this week to compare X-rays taken on fight night against those zapped on Aug. 1. Chances are he won't compete again until 2011.
I GUESS THE RIB EXCUSE IT UTTER NONSENSE. lol.
I HAVE EXPERIENCED BRUISED RIBS. THEY ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY IMMOBILIZING. YOU CAN HARDLY BREATHE A COMPLETE BREATH AND BARELY MOVE.
In a re match, a healthy Silva will knock Sonnen out in the first round. Silva saw everything Sonnen was throwing at him...he just couldn't react properly.
08-11-2010, 12:39 AM
08-11-2010, 02:52 AM
08-11-2010, 03:16 AM
08-11-2010, 08:24 AM
08-11-2010, 08:44 AM
08-11-2010, 10:24 AM
Second, I have honestly never seen such a blatant round of excuses from a champion before in my entire life.
"Oh, I was not having my face beaten in for 23 1/2 minutes, I was establishing guard!"
"No, no, ha, you thought Chael was using my face for a punching bag? Oh, gosh no silly goose! I was letting him punch himself out! Apparently you have never heard of the Rope-A-Dope strategy where you actually never put up a competent defense and your opponent doesn't get tired."
Third, even if we take for granted all Silva's post-fight attempts to salvage his 'untouchable' aura, the fact would remain that he tried and failed a strategy and technique for 23 1/2 minutes. Or in other words: due in no small part to his opponent, he was out-strategized, outworked and outfought for 23 1/2 minutes and capitalized at the great opportunity he was given.
This means, in order, that he is still a great champion, but is now exposed as having a glaring weakness in his game and entirely beatable. For whatever reason, in reaction to this news, individuals such as yourself are acting like they just found out Santa Clause is a hoax.
08-11-2010, 10:38 AM
You're completely disregarding the effect of adrenaline during a fight. I can't remember 90% of the **** that happens during an exchange or a scramble during a fight because you're in flight mode. Saying that he saw the punches, but didn't do anything about them because he couldn't is just retarded. He could still keep his hands up, slip, or counter the punches. Whatever happened to Silva's vaunted sense of range and timing? He got the **** kicked out of him for over 4 1/2 rounds and then made excuses. That's not a real champion in my eyes.
Sonnen needs to start training with some better submission grapplers. Matt Hume isn't far from him and is one of the premier MMA coaches/catch wrestlers.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-11-2010, 11:53 AM
08-11-2010, 02:08 PM
His ribs hurt bad enough to open each round with a jumping side kick. That's the healthiest case of hurt ribs I've ever heard of.
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