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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    That's a tad ironic since the only reason Rogers is known is because he beat AA.

    The Carwin fight showed a major, major flaw in Brock (which I always suspected): he runs away from contact.
    I understand what you are saying. I dont think the Rogers victory is that valuable for either to be honest. I just think that Fedor's struggles were indicative of where he is at this point in his career. 5-6 years ago, Rogers doesnt make it out of the first round with him IMO.

    I somewhat disagree about Brock. He took some decent shots from Carwin, who has finished everyone. Then was able to finish the fight (granted Carwin was gas/cramped whatever)
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    My reservations toward Fedor had less to do with his actual talent and more to do with who's handling his career, however, at this point, the two are becoming synonymous and calling him the current best, based heavily on retrospect is losing ground for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I understand what you are saying. I dont think the Rogers victory is that valuable for either to be honest. I just think that Fedor's struggles were indicative of where he is at this point in his career. 5-6 years ago, Rogers doesnt make it out of the first round with him IMO.

    I somewhat disagree about Brock. He took some decent shots from Carwin, who has finished everyone. Then was able to finish the fight (granted Carwin was gas/cramped whatever)
    That was also Fedor's first fight in a cage. The tactics in a cage and a ring are very different.

    As soon as Carwin landed, Brock started to turtle up. Carwin has tremendous power, but never landed a clean shot and his punches are slow. JDS and Fedor have much faster hands and neither would gas out in a round. I was impressed by Brock's mettle, but not by his performance.
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    As dominate as Brock is painted to be, I think the HW division is the most belt threatening division in MMA.

    I think JDS, Cain and Carwin all have a good chance at taking the belt. Even after the Carwin defeat, I still feel Carwin has a great chance against Brock. It's hard to imagine Brock or any HW "dominating" the division, Lyoto, Anderson, GSP, Penn style.

    Also, I'm not saying Overeem is a superior pick to Fedor, talent for talent wise, just that as long as M1 keeps trying to bargain the Fedor product to the UFC like it's year 2000. It's been a long road from hope to apathy in regards to Fedor and the UFC.
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    after seeing brock larson fight fight carwin.. im pretty sure any smart striker would be able to technically out strike him with no problem... overeem would murder him he could not run from overeem like he did carwin... jds.. fedor.. velasquez..all would choose shots and not blow there load like carwin did.. maybe even advance position on him who knows.. it is mmA
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    you bring up a good point. overeem is a much more technical striker and he got his weight up. brock wouldnt be able to hit him much standing up so thats not a concern. the only thing is avoiding the TD....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    you bring up a good point. overeem is a much more technical striker and he got his weight up. brock wouldnt be able to hit him much standing up so thats not a concern. the only thing is avoiding the TD....
    exactly, should Overeem ever fight Cain/Brock/Carwin he would need to be very careful of the TD. However, if he was able to keep it on his feet, he could ko the bunch of them
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    I kind of feelm the same way about Fedor and Carwin's last fights.Fedor was a little overconfident and was suffering from not facing top talent recently. I believe if or when he faces Wedum again Fedor will win.

    Carwin I think was also overconfident and had not worked on his endurance or pacing himself enough.In the first round he had no problem stuffing Brock's takedowns or getting right back up again.What happened in the second round would not have happened in the first.Carwin was totally different fighter in the second.If he works on endurance and pacing himself i think he would win a rematch.

    I think both greatly benifitted from thier losses in the long run.I think Fedor will take Overeem to the ground and pound or submit him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 416 View Post
    I kind of feelm the same way about Fedor and Carwin's last fights.Fedor was a little overconfident and was suffering from not facing top talent recently. I believe if or when he faces Wedum again Fedor will win.

    Carwin I think was also overconfident and had not worked on his endurance or pacing himself enough.In the first round he had no problem stuffing Brock's takedowns or getting right back up again.What happened in the second round would not have happened in the first.Carwin was totally different fighter in the second.If he works on endurance and pacing himself i think he would win a rematch.

    I think both greatly benifitted from thier losses in the long run.
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
    Carwin punched himself out of that fight. He essentially was sprinting for 3 minutes straight. He would have been much wiser to hop into half-guard and then work GnP or move to side mount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
    I completely agree, Lesner's boxing is crap, Carwin would completely dominate in a rematch, Carwin basically let him have half guard and the submission, didn't even defend it.

    They might as well go ahead and rematch, no one else is beating him that is currently in the UFC. I like Cane V. but I don't think he is ready for Brock yet.
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    fedor will knock his ass out
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    Quote Originally Posted by tayf View Post
    fedor will knock his ass out
    No he won't and not because he can't, he'll just never be in the UFC, so it'll forever be a hypothetical knock out.
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