FEDOR VS OVEREEM IN THE WORKS-WERUM SURGERY!

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  1. Its good to see that the tards still linger. Be back in a year or so.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Overeem is by far the best HW technical striker in MMA. However, it's his heart that I really question. Watch his fight against Rog Nog, Arona, and Kharitonov II and you'll see what I'm talking about.


    Here's his record at HW:
    Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) 1 3:40
    Win Kazuyuki Fujita KO (Knee) 12/31/2009 1 1:15
    Win James Thompson Submission (Guillotine Choke) 10/25/2009 1 0:33
    Win Tony Sylvester Submission (Guillotine Choke) 10/17/2009 1 1:23
    Win Gary Goodridge Submission (Kimura) 1 1:47
    NC Mirko Filipovic No Contest (Knee to the Groin) 9/23/2008 1 N/A
    Win Mark Hunt Submission (Keylock) 1 1:11
    Win Tae Hyun Lee KO (Punches) 6/15/2008 1 0:36
    Win Paul Buentello Submission (Knees to the Body) 2 3:42
    Loss Sergei Kharitonov KO (Punch) 9/17/2007 1 4:21
    Win Michael Knaap Submission (Guillotine Choke) 1 3:29
    Loss Fabricio Werdum Submission (Kimura) 2 3:43
    Win Sergei Kharitonov TKO (Knees) 1 5:13

    Not the most impressive run and certainly not an elite level of competition.
    I would agree. Not impressive at all. However, Fedor's recent resume is lacking also. That is not to take away from earlier years of Fedor's career, but recently he has been anything but impressive.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I would agree. Not impressive at all. However, Fedor's recent resume is lacking also. That is not to take away from earlier years of Fedor's career, but recently he has been anything but impressive.
    I'd still say that wins over Sylvia, AA, and Rogers are quality wins. I just don't get how Overeem beating Rogers gets such high praise, yet Fedor gets ridiculed for it. I'm still a little skeptical of many of the UFC HWs. I've always said Mir is horribly, horribly overrated with no heart and no gas tank. Nog is about 5 years past his prime. CC hasn't been CC since '06. Carwin's biggest win is against Mir and Brock's biggest wins are against Mir and Carwin.

    Like it or not, the UFC hype-machine does play a role in the perception of their fighters. Honestly, I really think that JDS is the best of the UFC HW talent, but that will play itself out in the future.
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  4. I don't think the Sylvia and AA wins are all that impressive. I think the difference in the Rogers victories is the manner in which both won. Fedor was in slight trouble, where Overeem was in total control.

    In terms of UFC hws I still think Brock is and will be the most dominant. He proved his chin and is so freakishly strong and athletic it is kind of scary where he could have gone had he trained 10 years earlier.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I don't think the Sylvia and AA wins are all that impressive. I think the difference in the Rogers victories is the manner in which both won. Fedor was in slight trouble, where Overeem was in total control.

    In terms of UFC hws I still think Brock is and will be the most dominant. He proved his chin and is so freakishly strong and athletic it is kind of scary where he could have gone had he trained 10 years earlier.
    That's a tad ironic since the only reason Rogers is known is because he beat AA.

    The Carwin fight showed a major, major flaw in Brock (which I always suspected): he runs away from contact.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    That's a tad ironic since the only reason Rogers is known is because he beat AA.

    The Carwin fight showed a major, major flaw in Brock (which I always suspected): he runs away from contact.
    I understand what you are saying. I dont think the Rogers victory is that valuable for either to be honest. I just think that Fedor's struggles were indicative of where he is at this point in his career. 5-6 years ago, Rogers doesnt make it out of the first round with him IMO.

    I somewhat disagree about Brock. He took some decent shots from Carwin, who has finished everyone. Then was able to finish the fight (granted Carwin was gas/cramped whatever)
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  7. My reservations toward Fedor had less to do with his actual talent and more to do with who's handling his career, however, at this point, the two are becoming synonymous and calling him the current best, based heavily on retrospect is losing ground for me.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I understand what you are saying. I dont think the Rogers victory is that valuable for either to be honest. I just think that Fedor's struggles were indicative of where he is at this point in his career. 5-6 years ago, Rogers doesnt make it out of the first round with him IMO.

    I somewhat disagree about Brock. He took some decent shots from Carwin, who has finished everyone. Then was able to finish the fight (granted Carwin was gas/cramped whatever)
    That was also Fedor's first fight in a cage. The tactics in a cage and a ring are very different.

    As soon as Carwin landed, Brock started to turtle up. Carwin has tremendous power, but never landed a clean shot and his punches are slow. JDS and Fedor have much faster hands and neither would gas out in a round. I was impressed by Brock's mettle, but not by his performance.

  9. As dominate as Brock is painted to be, I think the HW division is the most belt threatening division in MMA.

    I think JDS, Cain and Carwin all have a good chance at taking the belt. Even after the Carwin defeat, I still feel Carwin has a great chance against Brock. It's hard to imagine Brock or any HW "dominating" the division, Lyoto, Anderson, GSP, Penn style.

    Also, I'm not saying Overeem is a superior pick to Fedor, talent for talent wise, just that as long as M1 keeps trying to bargain the Fedor product to the UFC like it's year 2000. It's been a long road from hope to apathy in regards to Fedor and the UFC.
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  10. after seeing brock larson fight fight carwin.. im pretty sure any smart striker would be able to technically out strike him with no problem... overeem would murder him he could not run from overeem like he did carwin... jds.. fedor.. velasquez..all would choose shots and not blow there load like carwin did.. maybe even advance position on him who knows.. it is mmA

  11. you bring up a good point. overeem is a much more technical striker and he got his weight up. brock wouldnt be able to hit him much standing up so thats not a concern. the only thing is avoiding the TD....

  12. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    you bring up a good point. overeem is a much more technical striker and he got his weight up. brock wouldnt be able to hit him much standing up so thats not a concern. the only thing is avoiding the TD....
    exactly, should Overeem ever fight Cain/Brock/Carwin he would need to be very careful of the TD. However, if he was able to keep it on his feet, he could ko the bunch of them
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  13. I kind of feelm the same way about Fedor and Carwin's last fights.Fedor was a little overconfident and was suffering from not facing top talent recently. I believe if or when he faces Wedum again Fedor will win.

    Carwin I think was also overconfident and had not worked on his endurance or pacing himself enough.In the first round he had no problem stuffing Brock's takedowns or getting right back up again.What happened in the second round would not have happened in the first.Carwin was totally different fighter in the second.If he works on endurance and pacing himself i think he would win a rematch.

    I think both greatly benifitted from thier losses in the long run.I think Fedor will take Overeem to the ground and pound or submit him.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by 416 View Post
    I kind of feelm the same way about Fedor and Carwin's last fights.Fedor was a little overconfident and was suffering from not facing top talent recently. I believe if or when he faces Wedum again Fedor will win.

    Carwin I think was also overconfident and had not worked on his endurance or pacing himself enough.In the first round he had no problem stuffing Brock's takedowns or getting right back up again.What happened in the second round would not have happened in the first.Carwin was totally different fighter in the second.If he works on endurance and pacing himself i think he would win a rematch.

    I think both greatly benifitted from thier losses in the long run.
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
    Carwin punched himself out of that fight. He essentially was sprinting for 3 minutes straight. He would have been much wiser to hop into half-guard and then work GnP or move to side mount.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Agree Fedor would win a rematch, disagree Carwin was over-confident. He simply over-committed to finishing Brock, but justifiably so, as Brock was in a precarious position and most people would have been TKO'd. Brock luckily or through heart survived and capitalized on Carwin's window of sheer fatigue.
    I completely agree, Lesner's boxing is crap, Carwin would completely dominate in a rematch, Carwin basically let him have half guard and the submission, didn't even defend it.

    They might as well go ahead and rematch, no one else is beating him that is currently in the UFC. I like Cane V. but I don't think he is ready for Brock yet.

  17. fedor will knock his ass out

  18. Quote Originally Posted by tayf View Post
    fedor will knock his ass out
    No he won't and not because he can't, he'll just never be in the UFC, so it'll forever be a hypothetical knock out.
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