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06-27-2010, 12:01 AM
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06-27-2010, 12:28 AM
I always said that Fedor is a talented fighter simply with the best record not the GOAT. Reason being he hasn't fought enough world class opponents. Even though some were once great or great in a single dicipline and world class heavyweights are no longer Coleman, Nogeira, Cro Crop. The sport has evolved far beyond these fighters. Against world class opponents,,,a fighters mistakes and weaknesses get capitalized on.....like Fedor leaving his arm exposed for too long.
How long do you think his record would remain spotless if he were continuously exposed to the like of Overeem, Lesnar, Carwin, Cain, Dos Sontos? Could he beat some of them.....possibly. But not all of them.
06-27-2010, 12:29 AM
You all will think I'm b.s.'ing if I said that called this to my friends an hour before the fight. I've been feeling it since this fight was announced. I'm glad that now people will, hopefully, shut up about him being the best P4P and whatnot but also sad because I wanted to see Overeem smash him before coming to the UFC.
EDIT: Behold! A pale horse! Is that Pestilence?
06-27-2010, 12:40 AM
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06-27-2010, 12:59 AM
06-27-2010, 01:26 AM
Did you notice that I post my age like you do?
Since those are both a "no", and by your post not knowing that most of the heavyweights you mentioned are single disciplined fighters I hope you are kidding or maybe just experiencing early-on-set-alzheimers.
06-27-2010, 01:33 AM
06-27-2010, 02:49 AM
06-27-2010, 05:04 AM
Does anybody think there will be a controversy with the "tap?" I mean it was a single tap and usually it has to be taps in session. One could even make the argument it wasnt even really a tap, that he was merely putting his hand on Werdum's thigh. I can just see the hardcore Fedor fans saying things like that.
My friend was crushed after watching it. It was like a kid finding out Santa Claus isnt real. It was a little scary and funny at the same time. I mean Im a Fedor fan and wanted him to win. It shocked me but my world isnt coming to an end lol. I do know that Strikeforce got a little less interesting last night.
But man I did like seeing Cung Le destroy Scott Smith. Plus Cyborg destroyed that girl it was sad to watch after a while. 7 minutes of pure ass kicking.
06-27-2010, 05:57 AM
06-27-2010, 08:02 AM
It was bound to happen at some point. He did not get his ass dropped, though. He simply left himself exposed for a few extra hammer fists. I think Fedor would destroy the guy given a second match.
06-27-2010, 09:16 AM
06-27-2010, 09:37 AM
I am simply saying to be the GOAT is not simply having the cleanest record. It is fighting all the best when they are at their peak. Simply put it's usually FIGHTING THE FIGHTS THE FANS WANT TO SEE, win or lose regardless of pay structure or contracts.
Fedor's best fights are ahead of him. I would love to see the UFC quickly re sign Werdum and sign Overeem and inevitably Fedor. This would be a stacked HW division. This would bring some of best fights we have ever seen.
06-27-2010, 01:05 PM
Why should it matter in which organization the fights occur? Bottom line: Fedor hates Dana White's business tactics and that will prevent him from ever fighting under the UFC banner. His recent strongarm tactics against Tapout to terminate their endorsement of Fedor only widened the chasm.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-27-2010, 01:16 PM
I wasn't paying attention to which sub-forum this was in before I clicked on it. The damn thread title caught me off guard, lol. d
The card looked good though, so I'll still watch it tonight!
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06-27-2010, 06:38 PM
I am happy he lost at this point, as I do not believe he is the #1 heavyweight in the world. I have a great deal of respect for him and all he accomplished, but at this stage of the development of HW's, Fedor is not #1
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06-27-2010, 06:39 PM
Looking after your own best best interests is another thing all together and the two do not mix.
What happens if he fights Cain, Dosantos, Carwin, Lesnar, Overeem and loses to several or all of them? Is he then the GOAT?
Just so happens most of the competent HW's are in the UFC.
GOAT recognition does not come with limitations like, I don't like their contracts, I want to be able to choose my fights, etc It is GOAT for god's sakes and to be the GREATEST OF ALL TIME one must fight simply to be the GREATEST without conditions.
06-27-2010, 08:35 PM
And, let's be honest about the other top HWs: each of their most impressive wins is either against someone horribly overrated or against someone well past their prime.
Mir's/Cain's win was Nog
Lesnar/Carwin win was Mir
JDS win was CC
Overeem's was, well, he doesn't really have a great HW win
The GOAT is someone who stayed on top for years and faced elite fighters during their respective primes. For over 7 years, Fedor was the universally accepter #1 HW in the world. No one even begins to approach that streak.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
06-27-2010, 09:35 PM
I think it might actually be good that he lost. It takes away all the freaking mystique surrounding him. Maybe his Russian Mob handlers at M1-Global will let him fight in the UFC now.
It was definitely a shocker though.
06-28-2010, 12:45 AM
06-28-2010, 10:08 AM
this fight broke my heart. fell into a triangle like a newb...im certain the strategy was to keep it on the feet and KO werdum. you cant recklessly GnP a world class jits artist
06-28-2010, 04:10 PM
I personally think he felt like Werdum was rocked more than he actually was, and that if he rushed he could get the stop right then. A shame, indeed. But props to Werdum, he will now be known as the guy that beat Fedor, quite the feat.
06-28-2010, 04:14 PM
06-28-2010, 04:43 PM
Not saying Werdrum planned it that way, but if he did - it was executed perfectly. As soon as he wrapped his calf around his head, I knew it was a wrap... Not many guys can get out of a triangle that deep without passing the f out.
06-28-2010, 05:10 PM
06-28-2010, 05:50 PM
06-28-2010, 06:45 PM
06-28-2010, 06:51 PM
The unfortunate issue is that, despite all the promulgation from bloggers, "MMA writers" - the uninformed stench they are - and fans alike, Fedor's loss gives us no definitive indication as to how we ought to consider him now, or in his prime.
Had the win been a protracted battle where Fedor showed perseverance, but was clearly and consistently beaten by a more technically proficient and conditioned opponent, in all facets of the game, we would have some clear indication of his current status. It would show that, indeed, his record has been tremendously inflated over the past few years viz., fighting sub-par opponents.
(And for the record, his opponents has been sub-par - it pains me to say that, being a massive Fedor fan - and the "former UFC champions" argument is moot: Mark Coleman is an exemplar of how little being a former UFC champion means, and Fedor's loss is an exemplar of how opponents must be considered according to their statuses at the time of battle. Things change quite quickly!)
But due to the speed of Werdum's win, we are left with considerably more questions - well, we should be honest here: excuses to make on Fedor's behalf - than we are answers. "Was it conditioning? Overconfidence? Has time caught up with Fedor?"
06-28-2010, 06:56 PM
Taken from the post fight interview...no trash talking and to the point,
"Emelianenko, who was said to have been consoling his sullen team members backstage afterward, was characteristically calm following the defeat, smiling to the press as he answered questions.
“It happens that I was made kind of an idol,” said Emelianenko. “Everybody loses. That happens. I’m an ordinary human being, as is all of us and if it is God’s will, the next fight I will win.”
06-28-2010, 08:34 PM
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06-28-2010, 09:00 PM
Anyone ever curious what Fedor would do at light heavyweight...?
Gotta respect the fact that he operates at ~20% BF against guys that are significantly larger and stronger than he is.