Strikeforce 4/17

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    plus he trains with Fedor!!! is that not enough??!?
    Fedor Who? Mousse assi sure looked like a can himself....worse than many of the cans he has beaten. I have no loyalty to the UFC but let's call a spade a spade! Most of the talent that so called champions in strikeforce etc., are fighting UFC rejects or UFC wannabes. When you fight lower level competition it makes you look good. Even sexyama came to UFC to fight the best.

    Mousasi and Mo both looked like beginners in there. Sheilds layed an preyed and could not finish even with a full mount with those pillow hands of his. The list goes on and on.

    Fedor needs to step up and shut up and the nuthuggers need a good dose of reality. The cream rises to the top and for now the UFC has most of the top level competition. There is tons of money for him to make in the UFC if he is as good as he likes to think he is and everyone needs to stop using money as an excuse and realize he's hand picking his fights.

    Yeah Yeah Yeah....he beat Crop Cop and Nogeira and now their both conveniently past their prime since they are in the UFC and truly fully exposed.


  2. Horrid post Luciano.
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  3. What was all that at the end? I only caught like 2 seconds of it because of the Mrs...lol
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  4. Man StrikeForce is some BS with running over a good 30 minutes. I tried tivoing it and added an extra 10 minutes so I only saw 5 minutes of the fight. Boo Shields winning though. He would have no chance against GSP.

  5. First, I cant predict for anything. Got all 3 wrong :tsk:

    Second, props to Melendez for a smart plan and sticking to it.

    Third, Mousasi was downright awful, showed little to nothing standing or off his back. Horribly boring fight

    Finally, I give credit to Shields for being smart, but Dan looked 39. I will be interested to see Jake in the UFC regardless of weight

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    People rag on Mike Goldberg, and rightfully so, but given the alternative of SF's broadcast team, I will take him. Renallo and Shamrock semi-bickering throughout the analysis was distracting, and Renallo truly looked like a moron as the broadcast was coming to a close and he was jockeying for position with Jake Shields so he could say how "disgusting" Mayhem Miller was.

    While the UFC's production value will never compare to PRIDE's, or even DREAM's for that matter, SF looked like a rink-a-dink promotion in comparison tonight. The broadcast ran too long, the analysts were just horrid and it looked as if I built the walk-in ramp and exit.

    As for the fights, I am a bit confused as to whether Mousassi, Aoki and Henderson underperformed, or if Mo, Melendez and Shields were truly better. I think the a little of both for each fight, though I feel Melendez just exposed Aoki for a one-dimensional grappler who is lost when there is a cage to cut off his angles, and negate his sub attempts.

    Shields' performance drummed up a bit more interest in a potential GSP/Shields match-up should Shields sign with the UFC - which he probably will - though his stand-up looked a bit rudimentary. Given that Shields could take Henderson down, it would be interesting to see how the fight with GSP would play out. I still have a feeling that GSP's more dynamic stand-up and better athleticism - speaking in comparison to Hendo - would put Shields in trouble, but he is a credible threat at 170, something the UFC desperately needs.

    Melendez really did fight the perfect fight against Aoki, and I wish he would have mangled his face into oblivion. I hate Aoki, Melendez was much better. Enough said!

    COuldnt agree more. The production value was awful, and I had it on mute. Couldnt stand to listen to them Hell Renallo at the beginning was talking about Mo's positioning and had no idea what he was referencing.

    I also think Shields becomes a viable option to the UFC at either weight. (I have to eat crow here) He is a bit awkward, but his wrestling was FAR better than I thought. He took Dan down at will, something I have not seen happen. Dan looked outclassed in rounds 2-5

  7. A lot of fans preferred the SF broadcast team to Goldberg/Rogan's biased bs.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    A lot of fans preferred the SF broadcast team to Goldberg/Rogan's biased bs.
    Ah, you must be referring to Shamrock's neutrality? Could not agree more. The way he remained neutral for the Cung Le, Diaz and Shields fight was very professional. Please note the heavy, heavy sarcasm here.

    I also think Shields becomes a viable option to the UFC at either weight. (I have to eat crow here) He is a bit awkward, but his wrestling was FAR better than I thought. He took Dan down at will, something I have not seen happen. Dan looked outclassed in rounds 2-5
    I am definitely interested in seeing him in the UFC, but with that being said, GSP most likely crushes him as well. Hendo was a great wrestler, but I had thought GSP was the best MMA-wrestler for some time, and Shields simply does not seem athletic enough to contend in that area. As well, Henderson is terrible off his back - see A. Silva fight - and I suspect GSP would not have similar issues. This being said, I still think they should bring Shields in to face the winner of Fitch/Alves for a title shot.

  9. I think Shields/Fitch could be a bore-fest, but Alves/Shields has a little more fire power imo.

    Hendo looked lost off of his back, I was surprised that he was that bad

    As an aside, I was thrilled to see Aoki lose the way he did. He is not in the league of the elite at 155

  10. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    COuldnt agree more. The production value was awful, and I had it on mute. Couldnt stand to listen to them Hell Renallo at the beginning was talking about Mo's positioning and had no idea what he was referencing.

    I also think Shields becomes a viable option to the UFC at either weight. (I have to eat crow here) He is a bit awkward, but his wrestling was FAR better than I thought. He took Dan down at will, something I have not seen happen. Dan looked outclassed in rounds 2-5
    Dan has been taken down most of his career by far worse wrestlers than Shields. Even Dan knew he'd be on his back some of that fight, but he didn't expect to get raped. I was banking on an early KO, which almost happened, oh well.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Ah, you must be referring to Shamrock's neutrality? Could not agree more. The way he remained neutral for the Cung Le, Diaz and Shields fight was very professional. Please note the heavy, heavy sarcasm here.



    I am definitely interested in seeing him in the UFC, but with that being said, GSP most likely crushes him as well. Hendo was a great wrestler, but I had thought GSP was the best MMA-wrestler for some time, and Shields simply does not seem athletic enough to contend in that area. As well, Henderson is terrible off his back - see A. Silva fight - and I suspect GSP would not have similar issues. This being said, I still think they should bring Shields in to face the winner of Fitch/Alves for a title shot.
    Hey Mullet: I told you Shields would have something for just about anyone in the world. I knew I coulod seem a little biased before in our discussions because of my affiliation but I'm glad now you realize what i've been saying about Jake all along. HE is that good. NOT saying he would beat GSP but saying he is a match for ANYONE in the world. Interesting thing is we have not seen GSP on his back in a while I belive since Koshcheck? so we don't know how he will do Shields is as big as GSP and this could get very very interesting

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    Hey Mullet: I told you Shields would have something for just about anyone in the world. I knew I coulod seem a little biased before in our discussions because of my affiliation but I'm glad now you realize what i've been saying about Jake all along. HE is that good. NOT saying he would beat GSP but saying he is a match for ANYONE in the world. Interesting thing is we have not seen GSP on his back in a while I belive since Koshcheck? so we don't know how he will do Shields is as big as GSP and this could get very very interesting
    Well, I really would not go that far. Henderson has always been terrible off his back, and that was my mistake for forgetting that. Against Silva, against Rampage, etc., he seemed lost off his back. Still though, great fight by Shields.

    GSP has been on his back for (I believe) three minutes in his last ~150 minutes of fighting: once against Kos, a minute against Fitch, and a minute against Alves after pulling his groin. If Kos and Fitch were incapable of keeping him there, I doubt that Shields would fare any better. That is also assuming Shields could get him there w/o being stuffed and/or reversed, or even more likely, put on his back prior to that.

    Shields was great last night, but his style mirrors GSP's, except for the fact GSP is e****lent at everything Shields is reasonably good at! All this being said, Shields is still a credible threat to GSP which is something the UFC still needs. I am interested in seeing GSP tested.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Shields was great last night, but his style mirrors GSP's, except for the fact GSP is e****lent at everything Shields is reasonably good at! All this being said, Shields is still a credible threat to GSP which is something the UFC still needs. I am interested in seeing GSP tested.
    yeah see last time we talked you said shields would have nothing to offer GSP and now you realize him as a threat. and you are correct getting GSP on his back is a horrific task for anyone. It was never my intent to say JAKE would win against GSP but I have always believed that it wouldn't be a walk over like many people used to say.

  14. mix, I gotta give you credit. I was not a believer in shields at all. However, he impressed the hell out of me last night. I would love to see him in the UFC at either 170 or 185.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mixedup View Post
    yeah see last time we talked you said shields would have nothing to offer GSP and now you realize him as a threat. and you are correct getting GSP on his back is a horrific task for anyone. It was never my intent to say JAKE would win against GSP but I have always believed that it wouldn't be a walk over like many people used to say.
    Haha, I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying! By "credible" threat I mean: somebody he has not beaten, who can defend the TD, and has decent JJ. See what I am driving at? He certainly has more to offer than any of the current UFC WWs, but whether or not that is saying much is up for debate.

    I am not disparaging Shields by saying a potential GSP fight is a wash, as I think he may very well dominate most other WWs, and you are right in that respect, but it is simply a horrendous style match-up for him. He uses both his JJ and wrestling to control opponents from the top position, and that is his only threat. Just not a good match up for him at all, and that is not a comment on his skill set.

  16. Shields will get raped by GSP. I also believe GSP would finish it this time. In fact, GSP would've beaten either of those 2.

  17. [QUOTE=Mulletsoldier;2392290]Ah, you must be referring to Shamrock's neutrality? Could not agree more. The way he remained neutral for the Cung Le, Diaz and Shields fight was very professional. Please note the heavy, heavy sarcasm here.


    *iz laughing*

  18. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    What was all that at the end? I only caught like 2 seconds of it because of the Mrs...lol
    google jake mayhem scuffle. there's some great video up.
    Looks like Nick was getting his riot beatdown on. you can see him holding on to mayhem's lower body while someone else has his upper body and nick is putting the spurs to his kidneys. Kinda funny though..for a bunch of mixed martial artists they didn't do much to mayhem, granted they had people pulling them off. To see the smile on Dana's face if he were watching it would have been priceless. Except its probably gonna set back all of MMA as a result. Looked like a school cafeteria fight in Watts.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    google jake mayhem scuffle. there's some great video up.
    Looks like Nick was getting his riot beatdown on. you can see him holding on to mayhem's lower body while someone else has his upper body and nick is putting the spurs to his kidneys. Kinda funny though..for a bunch of mixed martial artists they didn't do much to mayhem, granted they had people pulling them off. To see the smile on Dana's face if he were watching it would have been priceless. Except its probably gonna set back all of MMA as a result. Looked like a school cafeteria fight in Watts.
    lol i think Nate or someone else was getting head kicks in on Mayhem

  20. I doubt it has large ramifications for MMA in general. In reality, Strikeforce and Strikeforce only will suffer from this, and CBS may review their presence on network television overall.

    SF royally and impressively fucked up this whole endeavor: they bet the farm on Dan Henderson, banked on three title fights being interesting, and delivered a boring, tedious and drawn-out broadcast while losing their champion in the process.

  21. Shields did a great/ smart job picking up the win agianst a past his prime fighter in Henderson wonder what he will do agianst tougher competition in the ufc.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by the epiphany View Post
    Shields did a great/ smart job picking up the win agianst a past his prime fighter in Henderson wonder what he will do agianst tougher competition in the ufc.
    i was surprised how well jake took those opening shots, dan hit him with a bunch of heavy rights but it didnt matter

  23. Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    What was all that at the end? I only caught like 2 seconds of it because of the Mrs...lol
    Gilbert Melendez got pissed that Miller called Jake out in the middle of his victory speech. He thought that was real disrespectful so he gave Miller a stfu nudge, then Miller shoved back and Nate Diaz came in with the TD attempt. After that, it became a Diaz neighborhood BBQ; Miller got stomped out.

    Some people hate the Diaz brothers, but I find them amusing.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    After that, it became a Diaz neighborhood BBQ; Miller got stomped out.
    LOL!
    San Jose stylee

  25. I find the Diaz brothers amusing myself. I also think Shields would get raped by GSP. Shields did a great job getting passed Hendo's guard but then did nothing with it. In my opinion, if you get full mount 3 or 4 rounds in a row on someone, you should have the skill to then finish or at least beat someone up. He did neither in my opinion.

  26. Aoki is wayyyy too small to be a top lw contender bj, gray any top 5 american would destroy him like gilbert did. The japanese athlete isjust not there yet physically and striking is sup par
  

  
 

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