Fedor Emelianenko vs Brock Lesnar.
- 04-07-2009, 01:43 AM
- 04-07-2009, 02:41 AM
Geez, you think?
I was looking forward seeing the Easter Bunny x Santa too. But I don't know who would have the edge on that one... I mean, one represents Jesus birth, the other one his resurrection... So I don't know...
But all kidding aside, Dana just found his new poster boy for the heavyweight division, and knowing he never let Randy go against Fedor, why would he possibly let Lesnar, his new boy, go against someone who everyone knows is close to unbeatable?
- 04-07-2009, 03:56 AM
If Lesnor is a joke then why would it take Fedor to expose you would think any good heavyweight could do the job. I do not think Lesnor could beat Fedor but I also do not think he is a joke
04-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Because the UFC heavyweight used to be a division for an average of 240lbs. Look at all the good fighters, from Kongo, to Silvia, to Couture, everyone was walking around with 240 or so.
Then Dana comes up with a random beast, who just got on UFC, and probably took about 55 cycles while on the WWE to achieve his size, while most who are in the MMA world are tested ever since they are amateur and have to go at "normally". It's not a matter of how skilled he is, it's all about him having 50lbs on everyone else in the division, and him not having to go through the process all the other UFC fighters had to go through.
UFC fighters, heck MMA fighters in general, are not gonna be able to use the amount of gear Brock did to achieve his body size and build. And most fighters can't really take on someone who is like that, but Fedor has proven he can take people no matter what their size is.
So that's why, even though I think some UFC fighters could take him down with a few more pounds, like Mir, Gonzaga, and heck, even Kongo if he puts on another 10lbs or so. Most of Brock's fights have been taken over by his brute strength. Given, he's a great wrestler, but even great wrestlers sometimes have a hard time when fighting other great wrestlers ou takedown defense artists. Brute strength makes everything that much easier. Like GSP x BJ. The weight difference played a role there as well, and even though GSP is a much better fighter IMO, he still mandhandled BJ through brute force as well.
04-07-2009, 02:16 PM
04-07-2009, 02:23 PM
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04-07-2009, 02:31 PM
Lesnar wrestled at UM at ~285 lbs. To say that his size is solely attributable to his time in the WWE and gear is asinine.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Im not saying that he hasnt taken anything as I dont know for sure but I know that Brock has always been huge, he grew up on a farm living off of large quantities of eggs, milk, and beef. He has stated that hes been accused of taking steroids since 10th grade in highschool and he has never failed a drug test. He was tested upon entering college, in the WWE/WWF when some legal sh1t was going down, when he tried out for the NFL, and before and after each of his UFC fights. Being tested that much you would think he would have at least been caught once after being tested like that. Also he was weighing in at about 220 in high school and got up to his current weight while in college. So even if he took roids, which it couldnt have been that much or that often if he never failed his drug tests, he still got to his size by the time he was 21. Just playin the devils advocate here
04-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Even if, and I'd put a big if, he's just a genetic freak that achieves 285lbs with no sort of gear, ever, he's still fighting at 285 against 230, 245lb guys.
He's a great wrestler, yes, but he uses his brute strength a lot more than fighting skills. Same thing I mentioned about BJ and GSP. BJ is a great at takedown D, and a black belt in Jiu Jitsu. Yet, GSP just dominated him. Do I think GSP is a better fighter than BJ? Yes. Do I think having more skills was the only thing that dictated that fight? No. The 20, 30lbs difference between both fighters played a HUGE role there as well. Hence why they are in different weight classes.
When a fighter has 50lbs on another it's never going to be a fair fight. Do I blame Lesnar for being huge? No. But I don't think it's fair to have him go against someone who may be just 210lbs (just as an example). He's going to have a HUGE edge. Lesnar is not one to blame here, the UFC is for allowing this huge disparity between fighters. And that's why they wouldn't create a 225lb class, because if they did noone would give a damn about 225+ as it would be pretty much a weight class of Lesnar and... Lesnar...
And ok, I didn't know he was 285 at college, but heck, just look at football players. Some of them more than obviously take gear and never get caught. One that has recently brought up those "rumors" is Cushing from USC. Check it out
All I'm saying is, weight difference is a huge factor, and fighting smaller fighters is a huge edge already.
04-07-2009, 10:38 PM
I'd sure as hell pay money to watch Lesnar beat the s#!t outta himself!!noone would give a damn about 225+ as it would be pretty much a weight class of Lesnar and... Lesnar...
04-08-2009, 01:11 AM
bla said it. he uses his brute strength rather than much skill. its been said on here before but if lesnar was to drop 40 lbs i think the other guys would have the edge because of there skill. i dont like the idea of brock being in mma just like i didnt like the idea of kimbo slice coming into mma. i think everyone in the mma world should put out a huge effort to get this fight going i think it would be insane, have a record number of viewers, and finally give fedor the credit he deserves since not to many pple know about him, and eliminate this idea of brock lesnar being untouchable.
04-08-2009, 01:35 AM
Create another weight class, and let Brock dominate Super Heavyweight, I don't care... But I want to see people fighting people their own size, and not a 215 Randy Couture fighting a 285 Brock (btw, anyone remember what Randy weight in was?). And let it be noted, Randy was pretty big for his average size.
04-08-2009, 04:03 AM
04-08-2009, 11:19 AM
He is a great wrestler obviously and he has tremendous power in his fists (breaking Herrings orbital bone with the first punch he threw). I am glad he is in the UFC if a heavyweight cant take out someone who is less experienced or skilled just cause he is stronger than too bad looks like you need more skill or more strength. If Lesnar wins fights thats cause he deserves to win. Now I do agree that he is not the most complete mixed martial artist and his biggest advantages are his strength and wrestling but if you cant overcome that then he is better than you. Maybe heavyweights should start hitting the weights a little bit more if thats the problem. I still think Mir submits Lesnar again. I also want to see a Shane Carwin vs Lesnar match but I want to see them brawl it out instead of wrestle!
04-08-2009, 08:05 PM
Let's just say that Brock is 285 come fight time and Mir is roughly 255-260 by fight time, a 25-30 lb difference when there is a 59 lb gap in the weight class is not impossible. Technique has much more impact than most people realize, especially when it comes to grappling. To say that Brock is a chump that relies solely on strength is absolutely clueless to fighting.
Here are some examples of outstanding collegiate wrestlers/Olympians who became champions:
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-08-2009, 09:41 PM
Name a number one contender that Fedor has fought since Nog. Did anyone see the X-rays of Herring's face?
04-08-2009, 11:03 PM
well im not sure if that was directed in my way but i never once said he was a chump. i said his advantages were his strength which is true and that the IDEA people have of him being the best and untouchable is a joke. kids at my gym who just recently got into mma are telling me that lesnar is the best fighter mma has seen and the best pound for pound heavyweight to hold the title? come on
04-09-2009, 10:56 AM
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04-09-2009, 12:41 PM
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04-09-2009, 12:52 PM
What in blue ****!?
OMFG. Lmao that seems so insane to me. Dude looked super lean in his last pride fights and what was his fighting weight around 230? Why would he do that?
04-09-2009, 12:54 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
04-09-2009, 12:58 PM
True, but damn it seems to unfeasible for a guy his frame to do that.
Vitor looked great, but I don't think he was as big as Randleman.
04-09-2009, 01:02 PM
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04-09-2009, 01:17 PM
04-09-2009, 03:54 PM
While lesnar is fairly new to mma, to say he has no skill is crazy. Forgetting his wrestling , he has improved dramatically from fight to fight. He still has a ways to go obviously but he HAS shown improvement. And why in the hell would he NOT use his size and strength to his advantage? He is far from just a big guy anyway.
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