I can't stand it.

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    I can't stand it.


    I had to. I just couldn't stop myself. I ordered ZMK. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but at least I'll sleep good at night.


  2. Registered User
    Force of Green's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  193 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Plant City, Florida
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,531
    Rep Power
    149920

    So? Order it, stick the pills in your mouth and hit the hay.
    Freedom means nothing here.
  3. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Lol, I was trying not to place an order this month. Oh well.
    •   
       

  4. Banned
    matthew76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    South East US
    Posts
    3,671
    Rep Power
    0

    Ha-Ha! I try that every month! Never works out, though - Ha-Ha!

    Let us know how it works out for you!
  5. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    its a good choice. fantastic stuff. I was actually pondering trying lower doses, as it works so spectacularly well @ 4 tabs
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  6. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I had to. I just couldn't stop myself. I ordered ZMK. Maybe it was the wrong thing to do, but at least I'll sleep good at night.

    Poison, we truly appreciate the order! I promise you won't be disappointed. Tremendous sleep and recovery for under $20.00 is always a good decision
  7. Registered User
    onelife's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    246
    Rep Power
    207

    just take the first step man... we are all addicts
  8. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Last night I workoed out at 9:00pm. I sipped a whey isolate/carb ABB drink while working out, got home by 10:30. I ate some pasta, and had a protein shake by 11:30, and hit the sack.

    If I was taking ZMK, would I take it immediately on leaving the gym, eat, and have my shake an hour later before bed?
  9. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    how much calcium is in the shake?
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  10. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Doesn't say, but it's a whey/milk protein/soy blend. I'm sure it's a lot.
  11. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    that will blunt the effects of ZMK then
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  12. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Even if I take the ZMK an hour before?
  13. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Last night I workoed out at 9:00pm. I sipped a whey isolate/carb ABB drink while working out, got home by 10:30. I ate some pasta, and had a protein shake by 11:30, and hit the sack.

    If I was taking ZMK, would I take it immediately on leaving the gym, eat, and have my shake an hour later before bed?
    Let me start off by saying that I am not an big advocate of pre-bedtime meals whether they are strickly isolated to protein or are protein/carb/fat blends. In my opinion, contrary to recent popularity a meal, snack, protein shake, macronutrients etc. right before bed only encourages a hormonally incorrect environment.

    I know that this goes against some of the recent thoughts on muscle gain but when conditions are right sleep on an empty stomach is anabolic because growth hormone can be secreted efficiently without being squandered or shut down by an insulin response or higher blood lipid count. Regardless of the pre bed meal insulin will have to be released in some capacity and insulin in any capacity will negate growth hormone.

    I've used this principal in my diet and training and when training others over the past few years with far more success than than incorporating calories directly before retiring.

    My advise is to consume your last meal or shake 1.5-2 hours before bed. This allows for the stomach to empty, the meal to metabolize and blood sugar levels to drop faster allowing a faster onset of quality growth hormone producing REM sleep. If growth hormone is present sleep is anabolic. If growth hormone isn't present then sleep is far more likely to be catabolic regardless of what you did or didn't consume before bed.

    I personally take my pre bed shake (whey isolate/milk isolate/ egg/micellar casein) at 9:00pm. I then take my pre-bed sleep supplements like ZMK or Somnidren-GH at 11:00pm. My sleep and recovery are far greater than when I was taking my shake right before bed. I find that the supps kick in much faster and work much better and I find it to be much more anabolic.

    I know this isn't the popular belief in the bodybuilding scene but it is the hormonally correct thing to do. Marketing of pre-bed protein blends has had it's way with our thinking and led us astray. They are still very effective if you time it right and don't take them too close to retiring.
  14. Registered User
    Force of Green's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  193 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Plant City, Florida
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,531
    Rep Power
    149920

    I'm going to stick with this method from now on. I eat something if I'm hungry, close to bedtime, but it's pretty much 1.5 hours before I lay down.... Yeah, nighttime eating and drinking causes me interrupted sleep stage infractions. Unless ofcourse I take... lol... nothing can interrupt me then. Hell, not even an earthquake or a burglar!
    Freedom means nothing here.
  15. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    could have a couple eggs as prebed... keep in mind for all of our silliness with trying to tweak the last little bit of everything out, that a pound of muscle only has around 150g of protein in it..... so unless you are gaining a pound a day, the extra 25-30g of protein you are getting in prebed meal shouldn't have huge effect on muscle growth anyhow. Overall availability of calories in the 24 hour period would have more effect.
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  16. Registered User
    Force of Green's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  193 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Plant City, Florida
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,531
    Rep Power
    149920

    What's going on with these hot women avatars like the ones taking big bites of bananas? Each time I link into the thread I want to whack it.
    Freedom means nothing here.
  17. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Once again, awesome replies, thanks to all.

    So, with the aformentioned routine, which happens twice a week, how would you guys do it. Skip the post workout meal. Keep in ind I get home from the gym around 10:00-10:30, and need to get to bed ASAP, ie within an hour or so.
  18. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    take in a non calcium based pw meal when you get home with the ZMK.... eggs, tuna, red meat. that would be my best guess.
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  19. Registered User
    Force of Green's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  193 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Plant City, Florida
    Age
    31
    Posts
    5,531
    Rep Power
    149920

    I honestly wouldn't skimp on the post-workout meal. I'm a bit confused now, maybe I should re-skim through the thread. One thing you could do... probably the only thing I'd do if I HAD to drop the PWO meal would be take drink about 40-50 grams of protein hydrosolates during the workout. It'll empty the stomach FAST and you'll be ready to take the ZMK pre-bed.
    Freedom means nothing here.
  20. Never enough
    Board Moderator
    EasyEJL's Avatar
    Stats
    5'10"  205 lbs.
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tampa, FL
    Age
    46
    Posts
    31,867
    Rep Power
    768811

    could even get egg or gemma based shake in, that should be ok
    This space for rent

    Phenadrol Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...-hell-did.html - AMAZING fat loss results so far
  21. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Once again, awesome replies, thanks to all.

    So, with the aformentioned routine, which happens twice a week, how would you guys do it. Skip the post workout meal. Keep in ind I get home from the gym around 10:00-10:30, and need to get to bed ASAP, ie within an hour or so.
    Your scenerio makes it tough to be hormonally correct, but; it could play into your hands if you manage to keep your session short and sweet. I would recommend sipping your shake during your workout like you do. Then before you leave the gym take your post work out shake or a product that is primarily BCAA's. Even though leucine creates an insulin response if it's timed directly after your workout it's perfect because the BCAA's get into your system without having to be digested and cleaved. The insulin response is short lived and you've primed the anabolic response for sleep without depending on food that has to be digested.

    The only draw back to these late workouts (I know because unfortunately I workout late too) is that it's hard to unwind mentally from the endorphine rush and get to sleep. ZMK will come in handy for that.
  22. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    How about using EAA's? Or are BCAA's better?
  23. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    How about using EAA's? Or are BCAA's better?
    Yeah, if you have a good EAA product it will work perfectly. Most EAA blend have ample BCAA content. If it's an EAA blend without the BCAAs then as long as they are in free form and not peptided you are fine.
  24. Registered User
    drguitar78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    70
    Rep Power
    119

    I wish I could get away with a night's sleep without waking up feeling like I would kill to feed. I usually wake up > 1o times per night: 3-4 bathroom breaks, 8-9 dying of thirst drinks of water, and 1-3 chugs of milk/prot(whey and casein)/EFA. Any advice..ps..I know this is very little info, but I am cramming for my cell bio midterm tomorrow and don't have time to write my entire stats..anyway, I thought this seemed to be on topic with the thread and would like to know what y'all think...I couldn't possibly think of sleeping through the night without feeding.
  25. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Matt, you rock! thanks. Tonights my first night with it.
  26. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by drguitar78 View Post
    I wish I could get away with a night's sleep without waking up feeling like I would kill to feed. I usually wake up > 1o times per night: 3-4 bathroom breaks, 8-9 dying of thirst drinks of water, and 1-3 chugs of milk/prot(whey and casein)/EFA. Any advice..ps..I know this is very little info, but I am cramming for my cell bio midterm tomorrow and don't have time to write my entire stats..anyway, I thought this seemed to be on topic with the thread and would like to know what y'all think...I couldn't possibly think of sleeping through the night without feeding.
    I think feeding through the night might be part of the problem. Intermittent calories at a time when the body is supposed to be saturated with growth hormone can be detrimental to your sleep and recovery patterns not to mention anabolism. Waking to feed means higher insulin levels and less REM sleep which means less GH and anabolism. Night eating will stoke the metabolism making it harder to maintain lean mass and may even promote catabolism which is the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.

    I think if you tried to add the amount of protein you are consuming in the middle of the night to your dinner (or last meal 2 hours before bed) that the calories would be put to better use and after about a week you should start to reset that hunger and stop waking up like a ravenous werewolf on a full moon. This would make your sleep more hormonally correct allowing you to recover and grow more efficiently.

    I used to eat through the night and soon realized that it was the thing that was holding my gains back. This might hold true for you too. You might need to invest in a sleep aid for the first week or two to keep you knocked out so your stomach doesn't come calling.
  27. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Matt, you rock! thanks. Tonights my first night with it.
    No Man! YOU ROCK! Let me know how it goes!

    Have a great night!
  28. Running with the Big Boys
    Board Sponsor
    poison's Avatar
    Stats
    6'0"  190 lbs.
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Age
    40
    Posts
    5,904
    Rep Power
    37729

    Just so I understand, you're advocating taking only BCAA's post-workout, no food, on nights I train late and need to hit the sack right after? No carbs?

    lol @ my disbelief.
  29. Gold Member
    milwood's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    SoCal
    Age
    48
    Posts
    2,460
    Rep Power
    1403

    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    What's going on with these hot women avatars like the ones taking big bites of bananas? Each time I link into the thread I want to whack it.
    Seriously! The avatars are off the hook! Now it's all the finest looking young ladies, the banana swallowers (is that what the banana cult is really all about???), or the cartoon characters. For awhile back then it was all horror characters like from Fangoria or something, like Bobo's evil clown. I think I'm gonna put like a picture of a plant or a tree or something in mine...

    Oh, and good info Millennium! Nice to have you on the board!
  30. Registered User
    Millennium 1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    1,413
    Rep Power
    1308

    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Just so I understand, you're advocating taking only BCAA's post-workout, no food, on nights I train late and need to hit the sack right after? No carbs?

    lol @ my disbelief.
    I think in your situation you should keep your carbs to an absolute minimum since you are hitting the sack so quickly after training. If you could give yourself a good hour between post workout BCAA/EAA/carbs and bed that would be ideal. If you had an hour or more then you could add a little more carb and protein.

    It's tough because of your schedule.
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Replies: 4
    Last Post: 05-11-2005, 01:29 AM
  2. One gallon of milk- One hour... Can you do it?
    By hypo in forum General Chat
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 05-06-2005, 11:09 AM
  3. deca can i extend it w/npp ?
    By WATERLOGGED in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 02-09-2005, 08:24 PM
  4. First cycle - can I do it like this?
    By magicjonson in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 12-09-2003, 07:56 PM
  5. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 04-12-2003, 01:05 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in