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    MVP-365™



    MVP-365™ is an athlete’s most complete multiple vitamin and is formulated specifically for the high performance nutritional and energy needs of the bigger, stronger and faster. MVP-365™ incorporates the most bioavailable forms of vitamins & nutrients including a high potency co-enzymal b-complex, mineral ascorbate vitamin-c, Krebs cycle intermediates & mineral chelates, adaptogens, greens, high potency food sourced antioxidants & phytonutrients. MVP-365™ provides optimal nutrient support and protection to combat daily stress and exercise induced free radical damage caused by intense training.*

    We all strive to eat for optimal health & performance but it’s becoming harder and harder to gain and maintain proper nutritional stasis in this day and age. This is due to our overly stressful, high pace lifestyles & environmental pollutants robbing our bodies of vital nutrients. Combine that with the lack of nutrients obtained from our food due to soil depletion and we as athletes are at a major nutritional disadvantage.

    Many top sport nutritionists agree that even if you eat a 100% organic diet you may still be nutrient deficient and require supplementation. Think of MVP-365™ as the first piece to your “Foundation of Health”, your insurance policy if you will.

    Let’s examine what sets MVP-365™ apart from the competition.

    Co-Enzyme B Vitamins provide the highest bioavailability and energy production efficiency of all forms of B’s. In order for various forms of B vitamins to be properly absorbed they require conversion into their active co-enzyme forms. Co-enzyme B’s do not require conversion and are shuttled directly to their target sites in their active form. This means more valuable B vitamins are absorbed and utilized for maximum cellular energy production as well as proper carbohydrate, fat and protein absorption, metabolism and utilization.

    Mineral Ascorbates are natural mineral chelate forms of vitamin c, all of which have potent vitamin C properties. Mineral ascorbates maintain higher blood levels of vitamin C than ascorbic acid or other common forms of vitamin c due to higher bioavailability through multi pathway absorption. Vitamin C plays many important roles in our bodies. It is a cofactor / co-substrate for eight different enzymatic pathways involved in functions like hormone biosynthesis, collagen synthesis and ATP synthesis via the krebs cycle. Vitamin C is also well known for its role in strengthening the immune system, preventing lipid oxidation, supporting the adrenals and acting as a potent antioxidant.

    Krebs Cycle Intermediates are organic acids that are absolutely crucial to energy production in every cell of our bodies. Citrate, Malate, Fumarate, Succinate and Alpha Keto Glutarate all contribute as intermediates in the vital Krebs cycle. MVP-365™ incorporates 454mg’s of Krebs cycle intermediates chelated to calcium. This not only bolsters the bioavailability of the calcium but also enhances the effects and efficiency of the mineral ascorbates and co-enzymal b vitamins in ATP production.

    Adaptogens are unique compounds that increase our resistance to stress. Adaptogens help bring balance and stasis to the body providing a normalizing effect. Adaptogens provide protection to the adrenal glands balancing stress hormones and aiding in proper immune function. The adaptogens in MVP-365™ (ashwagandha, astragalus & spirulina) combined with the highly bioavailable co-enzymal b’s and mineral ascorbates provide comprehensive adrenal support and protection for exercise induced stress.

    Greens are important to aid in maintaining healthy pH and in binding to harmful toxins and cleansing the blood. We have chosen to include cracked cell chlorella for its unique nutrient profile (organically bound beta-carotene, vitamin B-12, chlorophyll, iron, DNA, RNA & zinc) and its ability to bind up toxins for elimination. Spirulina was chosen for its rich polysaccharide content and its unique nutrient profile (including GLA fatty acids, chlorophyll and b-vitamins). Both Spirulina and chlorella display strong antioxidant effects as well.

    High potency antioxidants & phytonutients are imperative to the health and well being of any athlete. MVP-365™ incorporates high ORAC value, food based antioxidants and phytonutirients to help combat the ravages of exercise induced free radical damage. Standardized extracts of pomegranate (40% ellagic acid), turmeric (95% curcumin), matcha tea (90% polyphenols), blueberry (16% chlorogenic acid), grape seed 95% OPC) and bilberry (25% anthocycanins) combine with alpha lipoic acid, lutein, zeaxanthin, co-enzyme Q10 and the highly bioavailable forms of vitamins A, C and E to make MVP-365™ and antioxidant powerhouse.

    The “Delivery and Absorption” blend (of MSM, d-ribose, aloe vera extract 200:1, bromelain 2400gdu and papain 2400ups) in MVP-365™ provides digestive and assimilation support for the formula. We’ve added it to ensure that all nutrients are shuttled along nicely through the digestive tract for ultra fast absorption.

    Formulated to target the specific needs of athletes MVP-365™ is not your typical low potency drug store, grocery store or health food store multi-vitamin. You can actually feel the energy from MVP-365™. Whether you are an elite endurance athlete, strength and power athlete, weekend warrior or gym rat, make MVP-365™ a cornerstone in your foundation of health! Why buy MVP-365™? Because your health and performance depend on it!

    When taken together, MVP-365™ and ZMK™ combine to create the most complete and effective athlete nutrient protocol available.*

    MVP-365™ does NOT contain any wheat, soy, corn, egg, milk, colors, binders, fillers or excipients.


    Suggested Use:

    Multi Vitamin Protocol: Take two MVP-365™ capsules in the morning with breakfast and two capsules with lunch.

    Multi Mineral Protocol: Take 4 tablets of ZMK™ 30-60 minutes prior to bedtime.

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    MVP-365 FAQ’s


    Q: Why is there only 120mg of Calcium in MVP-365™?

    A: Let’s count the reasons:

    • Serious athletes consume ample calcium containing foods such as green leafy veggies, salmon, tofu, peas, broccoli, beans, nuts, fortified bread, fortified cereals, fortified orange juice and dairy products which include milk, cheese, and yogurt.

    • Most athletes consume abundant amounts of whey and casein protein which are very calcium rich.

    • Most athletes are already magnesium deficient. More calcium will only exacerbate this situation leading to further depleted magnesium levels, decreased recovery and muscle cramps.

    • Space- We squeezed all of the MVP-365™ ingredients into four small OO size capsules for ease of swallowing. Any more mineral content would have increased the number of capsules in the serving or the size of the capsule.

    Q: Where are all of the other minerals I normally see in multi-vitamins?

    A: Most sport nutritionists recommend that you consume your vitamins during the day with food and your minerals at night before bed. 99.9% of vitamins you can purchase don’t allow for this. We omitted nearly all of the minerals in MVP-365™ (except the Krebs calcium, 20mg of Magnesium and Iodine) to make way for our nighttime multi-mineral complex ZMK™. The protocol is simple, take MVP-365™ during the day with food and ZMK™ at night before bedtime.

    Q: What is ZMK™?

    A: ZMK™ is the second piece in your “foundation of health”. Think of it as the ultimate mineral counterpart to MVP-365’™. ZMK™ is the only Krebs cycle chelated Zinc and Magnesium product with active co-enzymal P-5-P vitamin B-6 and a full spectrum Kreb’s cycle chelated mineral support blend. ZMK™ is formulated to not only maximize recovery, sleep, hormone stasis, pH balance and cardiovascular health but also to bolster ATP. ZMK™ is the perfect mineral compliment to MVP-365’s™ vitamins and the ultimate replacement for ZMA.

    Q: Why doesn’t MVP-365™ have a joint blend or other blends in it?

    A: We chose to make the best multiple vitamin available to an athlete based on the four most important nutritional needs of an athlete. We chose not to cut corners in any way and a joint or other blends simply didn’t make the cut.

    Our goal was to provide-

    • Ultra bioavailable vitamins in the body’s preferred active forms.

    • Maximum antioxidant protection to combat exercise induced free radical damage.

    • Maximum clean, long lasting energy

    • Adaptogenic support for exercise induced stress.


    Q: Why isn’t MVP-365™ whole food based?

    A: There are two main reasons:

    #1. The majority of so called “whole-food” based multi vitamins on the market are market incorrectly and should not be allowed to bear that name. Most consist of yeast or probiotics that are fed regular, non active, low bioavailable forms of vitamins. Once the yeast assimilates some vitamin content they are then freeze dried or spray dried. Does this sound like whole food? The fact is that these are vitamins bound to yeast or probiotics and even though they are a smidge more bioavailable than the conventional vitamins they were fed they are nearly always substandard and lack the proper potency required by an athlete.

    #2. To get enough vitamin content out of a true “whole-food” vitamin (a vitamin actually made from whole foods) an athlete would need to consume a whopping 12-16 capsule daily serving. Four capsules just for 500mg of whole food based vitamin c.

    Q: Why isn’t MVP-365™ in a veggie cap?

    A: We chose to put MVP-365™ in a gelatin cap for its ability to dissolve faster in the stomach and assimilate faster than a veggie cellulose capsule. Some veggie caps require more time to breakdown than some tablets. We simply wanted a rapid release, fast acting product.

    Q: Why doesn’t it contain more adaptogens?

    A: “Synergy”! You see the co-enzyme b-complex & mineral ascorbates combine to make the best, most bioavailable “stress vitamin” combination available. When you combine the ashwagandha, astragalus and spirulina on top of that it’s quite an efficient adrenal support blend. It was potent enough to allow us capsule space for more antioxidants.

    Q: Is MVP-365™ right for a woman even though it has no added iron?

    A: Obviously we all have different nutritional needs. The fact is that most menstruating women tend be anemic due to a lack of vitamin B-12 rather than a lack of iron. MVP-365™ contains 500mcg of active B-12 as methylcobalamin. If you have been diagnosed as anemic by your doctor and are taking a separate iron supplement MVP-365™ is certainly compatible with it.

    Q: Can an athlete with extreme nutritional needs take more than the recommended dose?

    A: The combination of active and ultra bioavailable vitamin forms in MVP-365™ allows you to assimilate and use far more nutrients than conventional vitamins so it may not be needed, but; it is safe to increase the dose for those under extreme stress it. We do not recommend taking more than 8 capsules in 24 hours.

    Q: Why is there only 25mg of P-5-P B-6 in MVP when all of the other B-Vitamins are higher dosed?

    A: We chose to provide 25mg during the day in the MVP and an additional 25mg in ZMK for extra rapid assimilation and transport of the minerals. Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate is incredibly bioavailable and 25mg per day is plenty even without getting extra in ZMK.
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    this looks neat!


    Just a quick question. I see a lack of minerals in MVP. Was it meant to be stacked with ZMK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionelxxl View Post
    Just a quick question. I see a lack of minerals in MVP. Was it meant to be stacked with ZMK?
    Yes, it's in the FAQ bro lol

    I have to admit, I'm honestly impressed, and for me to say that about a multivitamin is... well exceedingly rare. So congrats on this one, you may not have swayed my views on multis, but you may have me wanting to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionelxxl View Post
    Just a quick question. I see a lack of minerals in MVP. Was it meant to be stacked with ZMK?
    Hi Lionel, Like RA mentioned the ZMK is meant to be stacked with the MVP-365 for optimal daily nutrient intake. There were a few reasons for the decision and a couple of them are outlined in the FAQ, but; we wanted to make sure we made the best decisions possible when it came to vitamin and mineral supplementation and with the forms of minerals we chose to use (for obvious reasons) there simply was not enough capsule or tablet room to make one product without it being a 10 capsule or 8 tablet serving (yeah, not desirable). The Krebs chelates take up a huge amount of space and simply wouldn't fit so we opted to make two stellar products that could be stacked. In the end it was the right decision as they work incredibly well.

    Afterall most multi vitamins that people consume are low dose, low bioavailable vitamins with pixie dust amounts of minerals sprinkled in or inefficient forms like di-calcium phosphate (which is the binder/excipient in most tablets). The fact of the matter is if we had to put it into one product the serving size would be hyuuuuge or the tablet would be the size of a volkswagon.

    Unfortunately in the world of supplement manufacturing the main problem with vitamins and minerals is capsule or tablet space. We managed to bypass the issue and make two very solid products that allow for proper nutrient timing.

    Thanks for the support!
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    This product looks awesome. I dunno if I can replace my Animal Pak though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    This product looks awesome. I dunno if I can replace my Animal Pak though
    Hahahah Animal Pak, was that a joke?. Pretty funny!
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    What would you guys say about someone that uses poseidon 3-4 times a day for minerals? Would you be able to omit the zmk mineral supp at night?

    How about synergy w/ mvp?

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Monk View Post
    What would you guys say about someone that uses poseidon 3-4 times a day for minerals? Would you be able to omit the zmk mineral supp at night?

    How about synergy w/ mvp?

    Thanks!
    Yes, you could omit the ZMK, but; magnesium carbonate, magnesium phosphate and magnesium sulfate don’t come anywhere close to the krebs chelates for bioavailability. If you want a full spectrum mineral complex opposed to just magnesium, potassium and zinc then the ZMK would be the best option.

    The synergy between poseidon and MVP-365 would be great in my opinion. The energy would be off the hook.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    This product looks awesome. I dunno if I can replace my Animal Pak though
    Thanks man! If you are taking Animal Pak take a look at the ZMK product. It would do a great job of balacing out 2 grams of nearly unopposed calcium. If you've been taking it for a while chances are you might need some additional magnesium support.

    Thanks again for the kind words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Hahahah Animal Pak, was that a joke?. Pretty funny!
    I agree that there is no contest when we look at bioavailability, but Animal pak is very popular because low bioavailability equals cheap. MVP-365 wasn't formulated to be another Animal Pak or low bioavailable, ordinary multi vitamin.

    Thanks!
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    Two quick questions broham...

    MVP = Niacin? why?

    ZMK = Selenium @ 200mcg?? Why?

    EDIT: more specifically, I would have left niacin out and had 100mcg on the selenium, 200mcgs if not checked through diet could be potentially toxic, the deficiency in bodybuilders is there, but 200mcgs SPLIT throughout the day is the max, and this is found in our food as well. (just curious bruvva)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1 View Post
    Yes, you could omit the ZMK, but; magnesium carbonate, magnesium phosphate and magnesium sulfate don’t come anywhere close to the krebs chelates for bioavailability. If you want a full spectrum mineral complex opposed to just magnesium, potassium and zinc then the ZMK would be the best option.

    The synergy between poseidon and MVP-365 would be great in my opinion. The energy would be off the hook.

    Thanks
    Agreed, On paper, this looks like a solid stack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    Two quick questions broham...

    MVP = Niacin? why?

    ZMK = Selenium @ 200mcg?? Why?

    EDIT: more specifically, I would have left niacin out and had 100mcg on the selenium, 200mcgs if not checked through diet could be potentially toxic, the deficiency in bodybuilders is there, but 200mcgs SPLIT throughout the day is the max, and this is found in our food as well. (just curious bruvva)
    Are you thinking niacin for flushing reasons? We used inositol hexaniacinate which is a non flushing form and acts as an important stress vitamin and is involved in the production of to enzymes relative to the Krebs cycle. I feel it’s a good choice in the MVP-365.


    We chose to add 200mcgs of selenium to help maximize the glutathione peroxidase enzyme which is essential for the production of glutathione in “athletes” who are exposing themselves to major exercise induced free radical damage. Without adequate selenium the body cannot manufacture enough glutathione peroxidase and glutathione leading to higher levels free radical damage.

    There is obviously a lot of information and misinformation on both sides of the issue. We’ve looked at all of the factors for toxicity and felt that 200mcgs was a very safe dose even for an athlete who consumes a healthy diet. The National Academy of Sciences' Food and Nutrition Board has stated that a daily intake of between 50 to 300 micrograms of selenium is "safe and adequate" and tolerable upper limits for healthy sedentary people ages 14-55 is 400mcgs per day. Remember that these are levels for your average person sitting on the couch exercising with their remote control. Athletes can obviously tolerate more due to the massive amounts of daily stress exerted leading to free radicals that need to be quenched and neutralized. Proven therapeutic doses often range from 200 to 400mcg daily and here has been no evidence of selenosis in US adults consuming up to 724mcg daily. The average daily selenium intake in the US is about 100mcg from food sources. Combine that with the 200mcg contained in ZMK and you have 300mcg. This is less than half of the dose (724mcg) believed to be the beginning of toxicity here in the US. Japan puts a more stringent number on selenium intake at 500mcgs per day and this would still put ZMK + dietary intake 200mcg below that.


    Remember ZMK is for athletes, but even if a non athlete were to take it they would be safe.

    Many studies have been conducted on selenium’s antioxidant and anticancer properties. One such lengthy study with people taking 200mcg selenium supplements had 71% fewer prostate cancers, 67% fewer esophageal cancers, 62% fewer colorectal cancers and 46% fewer lung cancers than the people who were taking the placebos.



    Good looking out RA! It’s much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1 View Post
    Are you thinking niacin for flushing reasons? We used inositol hexaniacinate which is a non flushing form and acts as an important stress vitamin and is involved in the production of to enzymes relative to the Krebs cycle. I feel it’s a good choice in the MVP-365.


    We chose to add 200mcgs of selenium to help maximize the glutathione peroxidase enzyme which is essential for the production of glutathione in “athletes” who are exposing themselves to major exercise induced free radical damage. Without adequate selenium the body cannot manufacture enough glutathione peroxidase and glutathione leading to higher levels free radical damage.

    There is obviously a lot of information and misinformation on both sides of the issue. We’ve looked at all of the factors for toxicity and felt that 200mcgs was a very safe dose even for an athlete who consumes a healthy diet. The National Academy of Sciences' Food and Nutrition Board has stated that a daily intake of between 50 to 300 micrograms of selenium is "safe and adequate" and tolerable upper limits for healthy sedentary people ages 14-55 is 400mcgs per day. Remember that these are levels for your average person sitting on the couch exercising with their remote control. Athletes can obviously tolerate more due to the massive amounts of daily stress exerted leading to free radicals that need to be quenched and neutralized. Proven therapeutic doses often range from 200 to 400mcg daily and here has been no evidence of selenosis in US adults consuming up to 724mcg daily. The average daily selenium intake in the US is about 100mcg from food sources. Combine that with the 200mcg contained in ZMK and you have 300mcg. This is less than half of the dose (724mcg) believed to be the beginning of toxicity here in the US. Japan puts a more stringent number on selenium intake at 500mcgs per day and this would still put ZMK + dietary intake 200mcg below that.


    Remember ZMK is for athletes, but even if a non athlete were to take it they would be safe.

    Many studies have been conducted on selenium’s antioxidant and anticancer properties. One such lengthy study with people taking 200mcg selenium supplements had 71% fewer prostate cancers, 67% fewer esophageal cancers, 62% fewer colorectal cancers and 46% fewer lung cancers than the people who were taking the placebos.



    Good looking out RA! It’s much appreciated.
    Just trying to keep ya honest Matt.. I still retain my feelings on Niacin, UNLESS you only take this product at night, in which case I think it's ideal. I will tinker a bit with these when I get em
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    Just trying to keep ya honest Matt.. I still retain my feelings on Niacin, UNLESS you only take this product at night, in which case I think it's ideal. I will tinker a bit with these when I get em
    Thanks man! I see where you are coming from on the niacin. It is best utilized for raising HDL and lowering LDL cholesterol when taken at night. I really think you are going to like these

    Have a great night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1 View Post
    Thanks man! I see where you are coming from on the niacin. It is best utilized for raising HDL and lowering LDL cholesterol when taken at night. I really think you are going to like these

    Have a great night!
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    I am impressed with this multi as well. Looks like I will be shopping for a multi again.
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    Ship this out fast so I can throw the Animal Pak away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Ship this out fast so I can throw the Animal Pak away!
    Good news! ETA is 10-14 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1 View Post
    Good news! ETA is 10-14 days
    Nice! Can you give us the MSRP on these 2 new products please? And what do you think the typical price will be seen as on one of our AM sponsored stores? What are we lookin' at here Millenium 1?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Nice! Can you give us the MSRP on these 2 new products please? And what do you think the typical price will be seen as on one of our AM sponsored stores? What are we lookin' at here Millenium 1?
    Thanks!
    $10 for each!!!.. Wishful thinking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Nice! Can you give us the MSRP on these 2 new products please? And what do you think the typical price will be seen as on one of our AM sponsored stores? What are we lookin' at here Millenium 1?
    Thanks!
    I'm confident that NP will have these for sale for less than $20each. Perhaps cheaper when purchased in the stack.

    The MSRP that will be listed on our website before discount codes will be $39.99 for MVP and $33.39 for ZMK. Remember that we list everything at retail on our site as not to compete with our vendors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    $10 for each!!!.. Wishful thinking!
    These two products and Animal Cuts should be a kickin' cutter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1 View Post
    I'm confident that NP will have these for sale for less than $20each. Perhaps cheaper when purchased in the stack.

    The MSRP that will be listed on our website before discount codes will be $39.99 for MVP and $33.39 for ZMK. Remember that we list everything at retail on our site as not to compete with our vendors.
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    I have to agree. Looks like it may be bye-bye to the trusty old ADAM multi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulous One View Post
    I have to agree. Looks like it may be bye-bye to the trusty old ADAM multi.
    I liked Adam as well, but I think Adam will be taking a trip to the garbage when this is released
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium 1;
    I'm confident that NP will have these for sale for less than $20each. Perhaps cheaper when purchased in the stack.

    The MSRP that will be listed on our website before discount codes will be $39.99 for MVP and $33.39 for ZMK. Remember that we list everything at retail on our site as not to compete with our vendors.
    I am completely blown away! I can already imagine the intended amazing synergy between MVP and ZMK. The extremely generous Krebs Cycle Intermediates alone in ZMK and MVP are worth the price of both products! I will definitely add them to my arsenal. Excellent job!
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    Product looks great, but not sure if you can sway me away from Orange Triad with the occasional Poseidon/Blast...
    (this means I want you to try to, tell me why yours is better)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    Product looks great, but not sure if you can sway me away from Orange Triad with the occasional Poseidon/Blast...
    (this means I want you to try to, tell me why yours is better)
    Finish your Orange Triad and try switching to MVP 365 and ZMK, but why would you stop Poseidon and Blast? There's no need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin;
    Product looks great, but not sure if you can sway me away from Orange Triad with the occasional Poseidon/Blast...
    (this means I want you to try to, tell me why yours is better)
    MST should respond to this. Yet, I think one can also consider the options and take a decision based on one's convictions. Personally, I would prefer the MVP-ZMK option. Why? Take the individual vitamins, for instance. MVP provides more bio-available vitamin forms at higher doses.
    Vitamin C is available as a superior complex in a higher amount versus the basic ascorbic acid in Triad; Vitamin E is available as the superior d-alpha tocopheryl-succinate and mixed tocopherols forms versus the standard d-alpha tocepheryl form in Triad; MVP delivers a better combination of riboflavin and riboflavin 5' phosphate versus the simple Riboflavin in Triad; Niacin in MVP is available as the solid inositol hexaniacinate form versus the simple niacinamide in Triad; Vitamin B6 in MVP (and ZMK) is available as the superior pyridoxal 5' phosphate versus the basic pyridoxine in Triad (the body must convert pyridoxine into pyridoxal 5' phosphate to be able to use vitamin B6); Vitamin B12 in MVP is the vastly superior methylcobalamin form, the form the body can use directly, compared to the standard cyanocobalamin form in Triad that needs to be converted first to methylcobalamin. Then check out the Pantethine form of Vitamin B5 in MVP, again the avtive form of B5, compared with the simple Pantothenic Acid in Triad. And so on. Very few multivitamin products utilize the advanced bio-available vitamin forms in MVP. Not even to mention the Krebs Cycle Intermediates in MVP and ZMK. In my eyes, really an awesome combination, although there are one or two additional compounds I miss. But this is the first version that can still be tweaked. Nevertheless, even in this version, MVP and ZMK are still far ahead of the pack.
    Triad definitely has its attractions in the form of the Joint Complex (Glucosamine Sulfate and Chrondoitin Sulfate), the Flex Complex (MSM), and parts of the Digestion and Immune Complex, some of which are available either directly or in comparable alternatives in MVP/ZMK.
    For athletes that benefit from Cissus and that are currently taking that compound, the absence of a comparable Joint Complex in MVP/ZMK is not a disadvantage of any type. Besides, Glucosamine and Chrondoitin, even in their superior sulfate forms, take longer to produce benefits for many athletes versus cissus.
    To conclude, I would invest my dollars in MVP/ZMK. You might decide differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    MST should respond to this. Yet, I think one can also consider the options and take a decision based on one's convictions. Personally, I would prefer the MVP-ZMK option. Why? Take the individual vitamins, for instance. MVP provides more bio-available vitamin forms at higher doses.
    Vitamin C is available as a superior complex in a higher amount versus the basic ascorbic acid in Triad; Vitamin E is available as the superior d-alpha tocopheryl-succinate and mixed tocopherols forms versus the standard d-alpha tocepheryl form in Triad; MVP delivers a better combination of riboflavin and riboflavin 5' phosphate versus the simple Riboflavin in Triad; Niacin in MVP is available as the solid inositol hexaniacinate form versus the simple niacinamide in Triad; Vitamin B6 in MVP (and ZMK) is available as the superior pyridoxal 5' phosphate versus the basic pyridoxine in Triad (the body must convert pyridoxine into pyridoxal 5' phosphate to be able to use vitamin B6); Vitamin B12 in MVP is the vastly superior methylcobalamin form, the form the body can use directly, compared to the standard cyanocobalamin form in Triad that needs to be converted first to methylcobalamin. Then check out the Pantethine form of Vitamin B5 in MVP, again the avtive form of B5, compared with the simple Pantothenic Acid in Triad. And so on. Very few multivitamin products utilize the advanced bio-available vitamin forms in MVP. Not even to mention the Krebs Cycle Intermediates in MVP and ZMK. In my eyes, really an awesome combination, although there are one or two additional compounds I miss. But this is the first version that can still be tweaked. Nevertheless, even in this version, MVP and ZMK are still far ahead of the pack.
    Triad definitely has its attractions in the form of the Joint Complex (Glucosamine Sulfate and Chrondoitin Sulfate), the Flex Complex (MSM), and parts of the Digestion and Immune Complex, some of which are available either directly or in comparable alternatives in MVP/ZMK.
    For athletes that benefit from Cissus and that are currently taking that compound, the absence of a comparable Joint Complex in MVP/ZMK is not a disadvantage of any type. Besides, Glucosamine and Chrondoitin, even in their superior sulfate forms, take longer to produce benefits for many athletes versus cissus.
    To conclude, I would invest my dollars in MVP/ZMK. You might decide differently.
    I agree, I've been taking everything seperately for a while, I've been waiting for somebody to get it right, and had high hopes for triad.. and those were FAR from reached. Matt knows I'm obviously picky with my vit's so I'm definitely impressed with this one, with probably a minor 10 things between BOTH compounds that I'd change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    MST should respond to this. Yet, I think one can also consider the options and take a decision based on one's convictions. Personally, I would prefer the MVP-ZMK option. Why? Take the individual vitamins, for instance. MVP provides more bio-available vitamin forms at higher doses.
    Vitamin C is available as a superior complex in a higher amount versus the basic ascorbic acid in Triad; Vitamin E is available as the superior d-alpha tocopheryl-succinate and mixed tocopherols forms versus the standard d-alpha tocepheryl form in Triad; MVP delivers a better combination of riboflavin and riboflavin 5' phosphate versus the simple Riboflavin in Triad; Niacin in MVP is available as the solid inositol hexaniacinate form versus the simple niacinamide in Triad; Vitamin B6 in MVP (and ZMK) is available as the superior pyridoxal 5' phosphate versus the basic pyridoxine in Triad (the body must convert pyridoxine into pyridoxal 5' phosphate to be able to use vitamin B6); Vitamin B12 in MVP is the vastly superior methylcobalamin form, the form the body can use directly, compared to the standard cyanocobalamin form in Triad that needs to be converted first to methylcobalamin. Then check out the Pantethine form of Vitamin B5 in MVP, again the avtive form of B5, compared with the simple Pantothenic Acid in Triad. And so on. Very few multivitamin products utilize the advanced bio-available vitamin forms in MVP. Not even to mention the Krebs Cycle Intermediates in MVP and ZMK. In my eyes, really an awesome combination, although there are one or two additional compounds I miss. But this is the first version that can still be tweaked. Nevertheless, even in this version, MVP and ZMK are still far ahead of the pack.
    Triad definitely has its attractions in the form of the Joint Complex (Glucosamine Sulfate and Chrondoitin Sulfate), the Flex Complex (MSM), and parts of the Digestion and Immune Complex, some of which are available either directly or in comparable alternatives in MVP/ZMK.
    For athletes that benefit from Cissus and that are currently taking that compound, the absence of a comparable Joint Complex in MVP/ZMK is not a disadvantage of any type. Besides, Glucosamine and Chrondoitin, even in their superior sulfate forms, take longer to produce benefits for many athletes versus cissus.
    To conclude, I would invest my dollars in MVP/ZMK. You might decide differently.
    Dude... solid, SOLID information here.

    I mean... there are a so many multi-vitamin complexes out there on the market. Of those formulas, take 75% away. You're left with the ones that have sufficient amounts of vitamins and minerals for an active, young, athlete. Cut that number in half. You're left with a few multi-vitamin formulas that actually offer synergy in their profile. . . ....

    Even fewer have the vitamins in usable forms.

    This formula seems to have more than enough bioavailable vitamins and minerals of what your body NEEDS... and little to none of what isn't necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    I agree, I've been taking everything seperately for a while, I've been waiting for somebody to get it right, and had high hopes for triad.. and those were FAR from reached. Matt knows I'm obviously picky with my vit's so I'm definitely impressed with this one, with probably a minor 10 things between BOTH compounds that I'd change.
    Enlighten us please... what would you change about MVP-365 and ZMK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Enlighten us please... what would you change about MVP-365 and ZMK?
    A few things actually...

    ZMK:
    -no iron
    -No amino acid chelates
    -Potassium before bed?
    -no calcium
    -borderline low molybedenum for bodybuilders
    - Naturally occurring 72 Trace Mineral Blend (Exclusion of it)
    - Selenium (Too high. Should be 200mg COMBINED with natural food sources)
    - Copper & Zinc in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Vanadium (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - chelated form (e.g bisglycinate/amino acid chelation vs krebs cycle CFMSA chelation)
    -Vegetable Sterols


    MVP-365:

    -Vitamin C forms
    -2mgs of coq10?
    - Vitamin D (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Vitamin E (MIXED tocopherols as main, if not only, source)
    - Magnesium (Chelated instead of ascorbate)
    - Vitamin K (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Magnesium and Calcium in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Herbal extacts (extreme underdosed)
    -Citrate is the first krebs cycle one listed
    -curcumin, co10, ashwaghanda, grape seed, are under dosed... among other things
    -Quercetin inclusion even if its low
    -ALA vs R-ala or other form
    -No amino acid chelates

    And this is minor things.. I like the formula and am not bashing it.. I'm actually purchasing it.. so please don't get defensive with my criticisms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    A few things actually...

    ZMK:
    -no iron
    -No amino acid chelates
    -Potassium before bed?
    -no calcium
    -borderline low molybedenum for bodybuilders
    - Naturally occurring 72 Trace Mineral Blend (Exclusion of it)
    - Selenium (Too high. Should be 200mg COMBINED with natural food sources)
    - Copper & Zinc in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Vanadium (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - chelated form (e.g bisglycinate/amino acid chelation vs krebs cycle CFMSA chelation)
    -Vegetable Sterols


    MVP-365:

    -Vitamin C forms
    -2mgs of coq10?
    - Vitamin D (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Vitamin E (MIXED tocopherols as main, if not only, source)
    - Magnesium (Chelated instead of ascorbate)
    - Vitamin K (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Magnesium and Calcium in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Herbal extacts (extreme underdosed)
    -Citrate is the first krebs cycle one listed
    -curcumin, co10, ashwaghanda, grape seed, are under dosed... among other things
    -Quercetin inclusion even if its low
    -ALA vs R-ala or other form
    -No amino acid chelates

    And this is minor things.. I like the formula and am not bashing it.. I'm actually purchasing it.. so please don't get defensive with my criticisms.
    Bro, you've examined this very carefully and you've given amazing input thus far. I for one am not getting defensive. You know your stuff and I am really digging your input/posts. You actually inspire me to learn more in depth knowledge on vitamins and minerals. I know the basics as far as profiling vitamins, herbs, minerals, etc. but you obviously have a lot more to offer.

    Have you ever considered formulating something yourself and patenting/trademarking it and selling it to a company?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Force of Green View Post
    Bro, you've examined this very carefully and you've given amazing input thus far. I for one am not getting defensive. You know your stuff and I am really digging your input/posts. You actually inspire me to learn more in depth knowledge on vitamins and minerals. I know the basics as far as profiling vitamins, herbs, minerals, etc. but you obviously have a lot more to offer.

    Have you ever considered formulating something yourself and patenting/trademarking it and selling it to a company?
    I already do And thank you for the compliments. Matt has the MOST complete formula out, and I am in no way opposed to buying it if it can save me some cash on vits/mins because that cost alone prevents me from buying new supps that seem to come out non stop. I'm tied to a company now, but have two of my own, one that I'm not officially with anymore, but still associate with and one that you will hear a lot of soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    I already do And thank you for the compliments. Matt has the MOST complete formula out, and I am in no way opposed to buying it if it can save me some cash on vits/mins because that cost alone prevents me from buying new supps that seem to come out non stop. I'm tied to a company now, but have two of my own, one that I'm not officially with anymore, but still associate with and one that you will hear a lot of soon.
    Damn. I love your posts! REPS!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst;
    A few things actually...

    ZMK:
    -no iron
    -No amino acid chelates
    -Potassium before bed?
    -no calcium
    -borderline low molybedenum for bodybuilders
    - Naturally occurring 72 Trace Mineral Blend (Exclusion of it)
    - Selenium (Too high. Should be 200mg COMBINED with natural food sources)
    - Copper & Zinc in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Vanadium (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - chelated form (e.g bisglycinate/amino acid chelation vs krebs cycle CFMSA chelation)
    -Vegetable Sterols


    MVP-365:

    -Vitamin C forms
    -2mgs of coq10?
    - Vitamin D (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Vitamin E (MIXED tocopherols as main, if not only, source)
    - Magnesium (Chelated instead of ascorbate)
    - Vitamin K (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Magnesium and Calcium in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Herbal extacts (extreme underdosed)
    -Citrate is the first krebs cycle one listed
    -curcumin, co10, ashwaghanda, grape seed, are under dosed... among other things
    -Quercetin inclusion even if its low
    -ALA vs R-ala or other form
    -No amino acid chelates

    And this is minor things.. I like the formula and am not bashing it.. I'm actually purchasing it.. so please don't get defensive with my criticisms.
    My comments are in bold in brackets behind your points:
    ZMK:
    -no iron (I do not see this as a disadvantage. Iron is one compound that can be easily overdosed with sometimes lethal consequences. If iron is added, then copper should also be added, so they adequately support each other)
    -No amino acid chelates
    -Potassium before bed? (Potassium is one mineral that one should be careful not to overdose. An important electrolyte, though. If you take diuretic compounds before bed, you need potassium, as diuretics deplete potassium stores).
    -no calcium (calcium can also be obtained from nutrition and other compounds athletes take. Besides, there is some calcium in the MVP to compensate. Too much calcium and you would need to increase magnesium accordingly).
    -borderline low molybedenum for bodybuilders (I cannot comment here).
    - Naturally occurring 72 Trace Mineral Blend (Exclusion of it). (Why is this a disadvantage?)
    - Selenium (Too high. Should be 200mg COMBINED with natural food sources). (Not to be dogmatically accepted. The 200mcg, not mg as you stated) is the amount recommended by the WHO, which may be conservative, depending on where one lives. As you know, selenium is one of the most powerful anti-cancer supplements around. The 200mcg lobby (not an attack on you) has been propagated by the pharmaceutical industry to secure the sales of their cancer-treatment drugs. Supplementing with adequate amounts of selenium daily can dramatically cut our susceptibility to cancer (proatate, colon, lungs, and so on). The USA belongs, by the way to the group of countries with relatively lower consumption of selenium (about 200mcg per day). The Japanese consume on the average 400mcg per day, and the population in Greenland about 1 280mcg per day (and they are still intact)! Overdose is relative and personal. Some symptoms of overdose include garlic-smelling breath, loss of hair and finger nails, liver problems, loss of urine, and so on. Apart from the amount, the form is also important. L-Selenomethionine, Sodium Selenite, and Selonodiglutathione are solid advanced forms.


    - Copper & Zinc in the same formula (absorption of either or). (I thought the competition was between copper and iron. Zinc is crucial in more than 100 or so metabolic processes. Again, the form is important. Here, dosage should be limited to not more than 50mg or 60mg per day).
    - Vanadium (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - chelated form (e.g bisglycinate/amino acid chelation vs krebs cycle CFMSA chelation)
    -Vegetable Sterols (Not sure what you wanted to say here)


    MVP-365:

    -Vitamin C forms (The form is important. And the dose, too. I take a minimum of 4gr of Vitamin C every day)
    -2mgs of coq10? (I agree this is not useful. CoQ10 in the ubiquinone form should not be less than 500mg per day. The ubiquinol form is superior, being several factors more potent than the ubiquinone form)
    - Vitamin D (exclusion of it for the majority) (In my opinion, Vitamin D, especially, in its active form as a hormone is underdosed, especially in areas that have comparatively less sunshine. About 15 minutes per day in the sun provides all the vitamin D we need per day. For sedentary individuals, and for some athletes, supplementation is crucial).
    - Vitamin E (MIXED tocopherols as main, if not only, source). (Disagree. Added mixed tocotrienols make vitamin E an extremely potent antioxidant)
    - Magnesium (Chelated instead of ascorbate)
    - Vitamin K (exclusion of it for the majority). (Do not agree).
    - Magnesium and Calcium in the same formula (absorption of either or) (That's why they are both needed!)
    - Herbal extacts (extreme underdosed). (Agree. Especially miss a Ginseng complex and few others goodies).
    -Citrate is the first krebs cycle one listed
    -curcumin, co10, ashwaghanda, grape seed, are under dosed... among other things (Agree)
    -Quercetin inclusion even if its low (At least 100mg and some Citrus Bioflavonoids)
    -ALA vs R-ala or other form (R-ALA is preferred in adequate amounts)
    -No amino acid chelates

    I personally have one or two other preferred changes. But, in general, this is one of the very best we have been fortunate to see. I am sure subsequent versions will be dramatically more potent.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingAgainst View Post
    A few things actually...

    ZMK:
    -no iron
    -No amino acid chelates
    -Potassium before bed?
    -no calcium
    -borderline low molybedenum for bodybuilders
    - Naturally occurring 72 Trace Mineral Blend (Exclusion of it)
    - Selenium (Too high. Should be 200mg COMBINED with natural food sources)
    - Copper & Zinc in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Vanadium (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - chelated form (e.g bisglycinate/amino acid chelation vs krebs cycle CFMSA chelation)
    -Vegetable Sterols


    MVP-365:

    -Vitamin C forms
    -2mgs of coq10?
    - Vitamin D (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Vitamin E (MIXED tocopherols as main, if not only, source)
    - Magnesium (Chelated instead of ascorbate)
    - Vitamin K (exclusion of it for the majority)
    - Magnesium and Calcium in the same formula (absorption of either or)
    - Herbal extacts (extreme underdosed)
    -Citrate is the first krebs cycle one listed
    -curcumin, co10, ashwaghanda, grape seed, are under dosed... among other things
    -Quercetin inclusion even if its low
    -ALA vs R-ala or other form
    -No amino acid chelates

    And this is minor things.. I like the formula and am not bashing it.. I'm actually purchasing it.. so please don't get defensive with my criticisms.
    I think strategicmove summed a lot of this up, but; I will address each of these when I return to the office. These two formulas were thought out with extreme care and synergy in mind. Certain compounds were ovbiously omitted or dosed down due to capsule space but the majority of the reasons were that nobody would dare pay for a vitmin compound with 100mg or more of CoQ10 in it because it would be priced outrageously. I will post up my thoughts shortly, but I stand by the fact that we formulated the best two vitamin and mineral products allowable for the space and price period.

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