low test levels clomid reboot

[king1033]

my test levels came back at 225 ngg/ml, Im curious i have nolva torem and clomid on hand. im considering running clomid at a low dose 25mg EOD for 40 days, while taking the clomid im also thinking of stacking it with a test booster such as drive and mass fx cycle back and fourth between the 2 im throwing the mass fx in there A because i have it and B) it has anti estrogen properties and my main goal is to raise my test levels and not for E2 levels to go high.

CAN IT BE DONE?? and once i come off with my body be able to carry on??? im also seeing a endo tomorrow i hope hes not a jerk because ive heard some stories

[soma]

When was your last AS cycle? What supplements did you just finish; and what are you currently using? Other than that i say try it and get your test levels checked while on the clomid and also some time afterwards(2-3 wks?)to see if your test levels will remain elevated.

[king1033]

today was very weird for me i actually got wood in the morning of my day!!! it was the greatest feeling in the world unfortunatly the girl broke up with me a couple months ago GRRRRR. and all the women looked o so delicious. im taking drive,the basics (EFA, protein, creatine, etc etc) mass fx, asaxanthan, b complex, and drinking a tribulous shot daily

[king1033]

day 1 out of 40

clomid 25mg AM
mass fx 2 caps 3 times daily AM/PM
drive 2 caps twice daily AM/PM
asaxanthin 1 daily AM
b-complex 100 2 daily AM/PM
pct support 1 daily AM
fish oil 9 caps 3 with every major meal
Milk thistle**edit**

hopefully through consistent diet and supplement line up i can get my balls back up and big again and hopefully shine some light to my test levels. anyone else have faith??

also what can i expect as days continue with 25mg of clomid. hopefully minimal sides considering it is such a small dose, as i know the clomid will raise my estrogen what would be a good idea to counter act that??

[Beau]

Subscribed.

[Mass_69]

Perhaps this is of interest: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...7&blobtype=pdf

(Start reading in the right column)

[Beau]

Perhaps this is of interest: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...7&blobtype=pdf

(Start reading in the right column)

Reps.

[datBtrue]

25mg of clomid is not the bare minimum needed to get an effect...so calling it a low dose may not be appropriate.

I feel a positive effect from 10mg per day. But I know that it is truly 10mg & not underdosed like some research chems.

Side-effects at 25mgs per day will likely be confined to "increased emotional sensitivity". Just be aware of it and don't emotionally bond with someone during this time period...I have seen guys make poor choices in a mate while on Clomid which induced a rapid "falling in love bonding" which unfortunately persisted well beyond the clomid use...

The Divanil is responsible for the rapid increase in libido...it won't last. What is occuring is an increase in "free testosterone" on a temporary basis...if anything it will lower your total test a little IF you aren't using an AI or in your case a SERM. It will have no long-term impact on increasing total testosterone. In addition some aromatization to estrogen will occur.

Estrogen changes, in and of themseleves, more than anything else seem to be responsible for the functioning of my libido & even my performance. There really does seem to be something to getting your E2 into the optimum range.

Anyway I don't want to get into it and I leave it up to you to do your own research but since you asked me in a PM I'll tell you that there are other more extreme things that could help IF your Clomid therapy fails.

IGF-1 - increases FSH & GnRH-stimulated FSH release
Insulin - augments GnRH-stimulated LH synthesis & FSH release & reduces SHBG

My advice is to stick with what you are doing. That was a good post by Mass_69. There are some studies backing up what you are doing...

...hang in there...it takes time. The very worst year of my sexual life was the year after I had played around with the prohormones SD, PP & some Tren precursor ...these things seem to be capable of causing a lot more harm then plain old injectable test.

[Cub]

I'm interested to see how this turns out. Always keen to learn more

[Force of Green]

25mg of clomid is not the bare minimum needed to get an effect...so calling it a low dose may not be appropriate.

I feel a positive effect from 10mg per day. But I know that it is truly 10mg & not underdosed like some research chems.

Side-effects at 25mgs per day will likely be confined to "increased emotional sensitivity". Just be aware of it and don't emotionally bond with someone during this time period...I have seen guys make poor choices in a mate while on Clomid which induced a rapid "falling in love bonding" which unfortunately persisted well beyond the clomid use...

The Divanil is responsible for the rapid increase in libido...it won't last. What is occuring is an increase in "free testosterone" on a temporary basis...if anything it will lower your total test a little IF you aren't using an AI or in your case a SERM. It will have no long-term impact on increasing total testosterone. In addition some aromatization to estrogen will occur.

Estrogen changes, in and of themseleves, more than anything else seem to be responsible for the functioning of my libido & even my performance. There really does seem to be something to getting your E2 into the optimum range.

Anyway I don't want to get into it and I leave it up to you to do your own research but since you asked me in a PM I'll tell you that there are other more extreme things that could help IF your Clomid therapy fails.

IGF-1 - increases FSH & GnRH-stimulated FSH release
Insulin - augments GnRH-stimulated LH synthesis & FSH release & reduces SHBG

My advice is to stick with what you are doing. That was a good post by Mass_69. There are some studies backing up what you are doing...

...hang in there...it takes time. The very worst year of my sexual life was the year after I had played around with the prohormones SD, PP & some Tren precursor ...these things seem to be capable of causing a lot more harm then plain old injectable test.

This is interesting info. Hopefully I can utilize the nootropic components of my PCT stack to overcome some of the 'pansiness' accompanied with Clomid.

PCT is coming up soon:
Clomid: 100 days 1-5, 50mg days 6-15, 25mg days 16-30
Torem: 60mg days 1-5, 30mg days 6-15
fenugreek: 3 grams ED and dose accordingly
maca: 3 grams ED and dose accordingly (adjustments)
SAMe: 400mg enteric tab every morning
NADH: 10mg morning
Blueprint: 6 caps morning
I3C: 400mg/day
6-OXO: Reverse titration in conjunction with the SERMs

Other supps:
NO-Shotgun/NO-Synthesize stack
AP/P-Slin combo
Forslean
Sesathin
few more maybe

Any issues with this protocol?

[king1033]

day 2 of 40

i felt very energetic today and felt like i was in a very positive mood for most of the day and right now that is all i can really ask for. Diet was pretty but im about to go make up for that. body weight is climbing and holding steady

[king1033]

25mg of clomid is not the bare minimum needed to get an effect...so calling it a low dose may not be appropriate.

I feel a positive effect from 10mg per day. But I know that it is truly 10mg & not underdosed like some research chems.

Side-effects at 25mgs per day will likely be confined to "increased emotional sensitivity". Just be aware of it and don't emotionally bond with someone during this time period...I have seen guys make poor choices in a mate while on Clomid which induced a rapid "falling in love bonding" which unfortunately persisted well beyond the clomid use...

The Divanil is responsible for the rapid increase in libido...it won't last. What is occuring is an increase in "free testosterone" on a temporary basis...if anything it will lower your total test a little IF you aren't using an AI or in your case a SERM. It will have no long-term impact on increasing total testosterone. In addition some aromatization to estrogen will occur.

Estrogen changes, in and of themseleves, more than anything else seem to be responsible for the functioning of my libido & even my performance. There really does seem to be something to getting your E2 into the optimum range.

Anyway I don't want to get into it and I leave it up to you to do your own research but since you asked me in a PM I'll tell you that there are other more extreme things that could help IF your Clomid therapy fails.

IGF-1 - increases FSH & GnRH-stimulated FSH release
Insulin - augments GnRH-stimulated LH synthesis & FSH release & reduces SHBG

My advice is to stick with what you are doing. That was a good post by Mass_69. There are some studies backing up what you are doing...

...hang in there...it takes time. The very worst year of my sexual life was the year after I had played around with the prohormones SD, PP & some Tren precursor ...these things seem to be capable of causing a lot more harm then plain old injectable test.

first off man i really really wanna thank you for your input! you have no clue how much i appreciate it i feel more comfortable coming to the people of AM than a friggen doctor although i have yet to find the right one i am comfortable with. anyways quick question should i perhaps incorporate a very very low dose of 6-oxo or maybe .1mg of arimidex or might that be too much?? im getting blood work done at the end of the week so i can hopfully have something to work off of. thanks again bro! these 40 days should be very interesting and revealing to others curious about clomid therapy

[Force of Green]

first off man i really really wanna thank you for your input! you have no clue how much i appreciate it i feel more comfortable coming to the people of AM than a friggen doctor although i have yet to find the right one i am comfortable with. anyways quick question should i perhaps incorporate a very very low dose of 6-oxo or maybe .1mg of arimidex or might that be too much?? im getting blood work done at the end of the week so i can hopfully have something to work off of. thanks again bro! these 40 days should be very interesting and revealing to others curious about clomid therapy

You may want to look into Indole-3-Carbinol.

[king1033]

You may want to look into Indole-3-Carbinol.

i think something im taking has that in it **** im trying to remember what supp is that in again??

[cdog]

Indole 3 is in ActivateXtreme. I have personally found this supp. to be good for libido but only seemed to get consistent results when used six days on, one day off. I am assuming this is because the body reacts to the rise in free test by lowering LH.
I am planning on stacking ActXtreme with 10mg Tamox. but have not decided yet on the best length of time to take the Tamox. for.

[datBtrue]

...quick question should i perhaps incorporate a very very low dose of 6-oxo or maybe .1mg of arimidex or might that be too much??

I'd hold off on 6-oxo or A-dex for a while and maybe incorporate it a little on the back half of the 40 days. Think of the AI as a tool to be used when it is most needed.

Also IMHO the OTC 6-oxo and ATD are very effective. We don't always need to use a research chem. My favorite AI is SNS' ATD product...I just take 1 pill a day for 5 days and usually that is enough to bring my E back in line...

... im getting blood work done at the end of the week so i can hopfully have something to work off of. thanks again bro! these 40 days should be very interesting and revealing to others curious about clomid therapy

Keep in mind that blood work will probably show higher test while you are on clomid ...but the trick or the hope is to have at least some of that rise remain after you come off of Clomid.

[datBtrue]

...

PCT is coming up soon:
Clomid: 100 days 1-5, 50mg days 6-15, 25mg days 16-30 <- Very Good
Torem: 60mg days 1-5, 30mg days 6-15 <- awesome SERM stack!
fenugreek: 3 grams ED and dose accordingly <- better to increase the dose a little each week to keep it effective
maca: 3 grams ED and dose accordingly (adjustments) <- mother earth! I need to pick some up ...
SAMe: 400mg enteric tab every morning <- THIS I think will help with the Clomid side-effects I think
NADH: 10mg morning <- I've never tried this. Does it really give you an increase in energy?
Blueprint: 6 caps morning <- had to google it "Agmatine" does this really work? ...sounds like it could.
I3C: 400mg/day <- libido
6-OXO: Reverse titration in conjunction with the SERMs <- awesome use of an AI incorporating it when you need it most toward the back end of PCT.
...
Any issues with this protocol?

FOG I'm learning from you bro! Looks like a great PCT protocol.

It sure is nice to see you around. You always give me something new to think about ...you've got a great mind and I want you to know I appreciate you.

[king1033]

day 3 of 40
todays dose of clomid was 20mg cause i messed up slicing the pill. tomorrow will be 30. anyways i feel myself being able to retain muscle easier and muscles feeling fuller longer. more updates tomorrow also lifts slighty went up from last week dont know if that has anything to do with the clomid therapy

[king1033]

day 4/5 of 40
feeling better testes seem to be reclaiming size and hanging lower i guess thats a good sign???
yesterday i did 50mg and today went back to 25 no reason i was just in a rush and didnt have time to chop the pill. so far so good gonna go for blood work at day 10

[Force of Green]

FOG I'm learning from you bro! Looks like a great PCT protocol.

It sure is nice to see you around. You always give me something new to think about ...you've got a great mind and I want you to know I appreciate you.

Damn DatBtrue, thanks a million for the comp! I appreciate you looking at the protocol as well... I'm finishing up an 8-weeker with a 10 day bridge period before PCT, so get at me and I'll tell you how the PCT goes.

Thanks for your advice with the fenugreek as well! It slipped my mind about the whole 'upwards titration scheme' for effectiveness.