Low Test levels need help

[paint2100]

2 months ago i did a superdrol cycle . I'm currently seeing an endocrinologist she says my total test was like 50, free test was lower and my estrogen was so low they couldn't find any. Now can anyone help me with options that could help me return to normal. I recently gave blood to see if my test increased from 2 months ago. My doctor feels it should return back to normal just slowly. I want to know if their is any options i can take to get back faster then just waiting. I am getting my results tomorrow, i will post them when i get them. She didn't want to give me testosterone because she thinks that would suppress me more.

[futurepilot]

what was your PCT?

[EasyEJL]

basically your doctor is sort of right. There are some prescription things that maybe could help bring it back faster, but none of them are FDA approved for that useage. And she's right about not giving you testosterone.

a reasonable OTC product to try is the stuff from primordial performance, the Sustain Alpha, Toco-8 + endoamp combination.

[jpk]

basically your doctor is sort of right. There are some prescription things that maybe could help bring it back faster, but none of them are FDA approved for that useage. And she's right about not giving you testosterone.

a reasonable OTC product to try is the stuff from primordial performance, the Sustain Alpha, Toco-8 + endoamp combination.

Easy, what do you think of a SERM and/or HCG for his situation?

And paint... YOU are prone to shutdown. If you're going to ever cycle again, you need to pulse lower doses and for shorter periods. Be Safe!

[EasyEJL]

well, a serm is likely to help, but since he's under a dr's care right now unless the doctor likes the idea, its probably better not to monkey with. At least using the OTCs he can tell his doctor about it, and if they work anything else in she'll know. Actually post cycle support could be a good add on top of this.

HCG maybe if another couple months its the same way and not improving.

[paint2100]

my doctor felt novedex would be unnecessary because its more of a anti-estrogen. the main problem for me was i was on cycle and then somthing happened and i ended in the hospital and was never able to do a pct so im pretty much screwed. im waiting on my doctor to call me back I left a message so ill post my results when i get them.

[paint2100]

my results came back normal but i still dont have any sex drive

total 401 range 260-1000
free 85.7 50-210
LH 3.9 1.5-9.3
FSH 1.3 1.6-8
estrogen 56 around 54

any help would be greatly appreciated

[TripDog]

2 months ago i did a superdrol cycle . I'm currently seeing an endocrinologist she says my total test was like 50, free test was lower and my estrogen was so low they couldn't find any. Now can anyone help me with options that could help me return to normal. I recently gave blood to see if my test increased from 2 months ago. My doctor feels it should return back to normal just slowly. I want to know if their is any options i can take to get back faster then just waiting. I am getting my results tomorrow, i will post them when i get them. She didn't want to give me testosterone because she thinks that would suppress me more.

What did the superdrol cycle look like? How long did you run it? What brand?

[colkurtz_spf]

my results came back normal but i still dont have any sex drive

total 401 range 260-1000
free 85.7 50-210
LH 3.9 1.5-9.3
FSH 1.3 1.6-8
estrogen 56 around 54

any help would be greatly appreciated

Your Testosterone and LH numbers look low. Your estrogen is high. What was your baseline before cycle and how old are you?

[JanSz]

my results came back normal but i still dont have any sex drive

total 401 range 260-1000
free 85.7 50-210
LH 3.9 1.5-9.3
FSH 1.3 1.6-8
estrogen 56 around 54

any help would be greatly appreciated

That is rather low T.

But, if you correct your high E2 (carefully) then you may end up with

correct E2 and higher TT

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[paint2100]

Your Testosterone and LH numbers look low. Your estrogen is high. What was your baseline before cycle and how old are you?

My total testosterone levels last time i check was in the 600's. Whats a normal level for estrogen? I know im going to get flamed but im 19.

[paint2100]

That is rather low T.

But, if you correct your high E2 (carefully) then you may end up with

correct E2 and higher TT

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whats E2?

[colkurtz_spf]

My total testosterone levels last time i check was in the 600's. Whats a normal level for estrogen? I know im going to get flamed but im 19.

I won't flame you for your age. I'm no expert on estrogen levels but I believe the general consensus is that normal range is in the 20s. However, I believe that the ratio of estrogen to testosterone may also be a consideration. At your TT level estrogen is high. Arimidex could lower your estrogen and increase you test.

[EasyEJL]

I'd be inclined to give it another month or two and see what happens

[JanSz]

I won't flame you for your age. I'm no expert on estrogen levels but I believe the general consensus is that normal range is in the 20s. However, I believe that the ratio of estrogen to testosterone may also be a consideration. At your TT level estrogen is high. Arimidex could lower your estrogen and increase you test.

I may be wrong,
but at the moment I am looking at Estrodial (E2) the same way I am looking at Testosterone.
That is, the Total value is significant but only to a point.
Better information can be had by looking at Free or BioAvailable values.

I do my testing at Quest Diagnostics, these tests when checking for T, E2 & DHT

Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)

Using above tests I am adjusting my DepoT, HCG, Arimidex to achieve:

Testosterone Bioavailable ~575 (my important indicator)
Testosterone Free~300 (secondary indicator)
Estradiol, Free (0.45 - 0.6) (my important indicator)
Estradiol (<29) (secondary indicator)
Dihydrotestosterone, FREE~ 6.2%
DHT ~75

[futurepilot]

novedex


was never able to do a pct

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You talking about novedex xt like the gaspari product? Or are you thinking nolvadex?

I think that says it in a nutshell. I couldnt give you a definitive answer on doing PCT 2 months late, but if it works for turning your levels around and you dont get delayed gyno, as some super users report, it may just become all the rage

I agree with your doctor also. Especially with you being 19(you might see a board rules edit soon) your naturally levels should reach a homeostasis eventually, could be a month, could be two years but theres a good chance they'll come back on their own.

[colkurtz_spf]

I may be wrong,
but at the moment I am looking at Estrodial (E2) the same way I am looking at Testosterone.
That is, the Total value is significant but only to a point.
Better information can be had by looking at Free or BioAvailable values.

I do my testing at Quest Diagnostics, these tests when checking for T, E2 & DHT

Testosterone, Free, Bio/Total (LC/MS/MS)
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)

Using above tests I am adjusting my DepoT, HCG, Arimidex to achieve:

Testosterone Bioavailable ~575 (my important indicator)
Testosterone Free~300 (secondary indicator)
Estradiol, Free (0.45 - 0.6) (my important indicator)
Estradiol (<29) (secondary indicator)
Dihydrotestosterone, FREE~ 6.2%
DHT ~75

It's an interesting theory and may explain why I don't feel bad when my estradiol sensitivity spikes. Unfortunately my doctor doesn't believe in testing bioavailable hormone levels. His treatment has been successful, so I haven't been motivated to change his mind. I'm going to ask him to include those panels in the next draw. I'm curious.

[paint2100]

I think i may see a urologist to get another option. Also my sex drive is shot so something is messed up

[JanSz]

It's an interesting theory and may explain why I don't feel bad when my estradiol sensitivity spikes. Unfortunately my doctor doesn't believe in testing bioavailable hormone levels. His treatment has been successful, so I haven't been motivated to change his mind. I'm going to ask him to include those panels in the next draw. I'm curious.

Just in case you want to know, plus full disclosure.
I do two more estrogen tests.

Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS (30289X)
Estrogens, Fractionated, LC/MS/MS (36742X)

The "Ultrasensitive" is Dr John's favorite.
it have a peculiar range (<29)
Untill now dr John resists questions on explaining on how to use this range. The condition is vague, someone who would return with E2=5 or close to it, would satisfy that condition, but I doubt if he would feel good.
Usually people think that (20-29) is an acceptable range with that test, but it was newer clearly stated or discussed by competent person.
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[paint2100]

since my LH and FSH is low what should i do. Im not to familiar with these things could the LH and FSH be affecting my sex drive