How much pregnelone and progesterone cream for Adrenal Fatigue?
- 04-04-2008, 07:09 AM
How much pregnelone and progesterone cream for Adrenal Fatigue?
I have 50*100 pregnelone tablets
and some pregnelone cream
I was wondering how much i should use of each per day to help my adrenal glands. Have a feeling i have low cortisol levels with all the symptoms. I also have hypothyroidism which i have just started taking armour thyroid. Im simultaneous treating my thyroid (hasimoto's thyroiditis) and my adrenal glands.
Endo put only put me on T4 and sent me on my way, the idiot didnt say anything about my low t, low dhea levels and didnt check for reverse T3 pretty stupid.
Im 6"2 240lbs this is my second year bodybuilding for 3-4 days a week for about 70-75minutes a session. Im having trouble losing bodyfat and think that has to do with my adrenal glands and that i've been overtraining a bit.
Some general guidelines for dosages per day would be great
- 04-04-2008, 09:14 AM
First off, I wouldn't ever use progesterone cream... its for chicks! My first doc recommended I try it for sleep and ended up with nipple gyno.
Pregnenolone cream or sublingual is good... I take 25mg sublingual/day. Pregnenolone pills are not absorbed well at all.
Also consider 25mg DHEA cream or sublingual if yours is low.
Get a saliva test for cortisol, you may need to take some isocort or even get a script for cortef.
Lastly, be sure to clear it all with your doc, or find a new one. I had to go through a few before I found one who knew what they were doing.
- 04-04-2008, 09:20 AM
I forgot to mention im on AAS Test/Tren/Anavar 5th week adding 0.25mg letro EOD to cut the water and bloat. So you think progesterone cream isnt any good? I have read it helps get your thyroid back in order. Pregnelone i couldnt find the cream only the tabs but ill look around.
DHEA i have also considered but not sure because its a banned substance here in australia who knows it might make it through though.
for the pregenlone it says its micronized pregnelone 100mg tabs and to take 1 tab 1 to 3 times a day
The natural progesterone is (USP) 25mg per 1ml says to take 1-2ml's daily
If the progesterone cream converts to E then it will probably give gyno, but i already have the test im taking which arom's heavily and haven't had any problems so far without an AI, just addin the AI to cut the water/bloat.
Since i only have the pregnelone tablets right now what kind of absorption am i getting from each 100mg tablet any ideas?
04-04-2008, 11:00 AM
04-04-2008, 11:18 AM
04-05-2008, 02:57 AM
Matrix i understand what you're saying i've made some pretty stupid decisions.
I'll give you a run down of what's going on so you can give me some advice.
Im 6"2, 19 years old, 107kgs before i started this cycle now im at 117kgs after 4 weeks.
So last year in august i was about 106kgs not lean but not fat either. Well then i bought some clenbuterol and did a 2 week cycle i lost 4kgs and went to 102kg and looked great. After the two weeks the weight slowly crept back up again for no reason, i was eating clean as always and sticking to my diet. The i used clen for another two weeks and only lost 1kg. Then after using it the weight came back on again. After that i used some T3 for 35 days tapering up and down from 12.5mcg a day to 50mcg a day. I didn't do anything i only maintained weight while on then when i got off i went up to 110kgs fast!!!
I went to see an endo and he did a T.S.H and it was 7.72 and i had high amounts of thyroid peroxadise antibodies and he diagnosed it as hashimoto's thyroditis. Im not sure if this is a correct diagnosis since the stimulants could've made my T.S.H rise like that. He put me on T4 it worked for first few days then did **** all and made feel worse and put on weight! The weird thing is i put on weight prety much on my lower back area, not my gut. This is very weird and disturbing for me and im still having this problem. I think its because my adrenals are screwed and using any kind of stim is making me put on weight and feel worse.
I've had heaps of massive weight fluctuations so this might be adding to my problems now.
Ok so then 4 weeks ago i start using steroids (Yeah real smart). I used 500mg test 200mg of tren for the first 3 weeks, then 250mg test and 200mg tren for the 4th week. Im suppose to inject 250mg test and 200mg tomorrow but im calling this off. It was a stupid idea to start it in the first place and i now need to start doing things right.
For the first 2-3 weeks the steroids where working awesome. I was fuller and getting leaner. Then i suddenly lost my pump and was putting on weight again in my lower back. Again i think this has to do with my adrenals being screwed up and either high or low cortisol. Im honestly not eating that much either its bull****. Today i stopped using the thyroxine because it simply is just making things worse.
Last year i was overtraining pretty bad even though i was only training 3 days a week i would do weights for 90 mintues then do cardio for 40minutes and not eat a postworkout meal right after. I was studying full-time and having to travel to my college, then to my gym which was pretty far away then back home. + the assignments etc. it just burnt me out.
Now im trying to train smarter 1hr max and minimise rest periods, training each bodypart once a week.
And is their any reason why i'm putting on weight particularly in my lower back i don't understand what's going on with that. Im leaner in other places and putting on weight their.
Where do i go from here? Any suggestions would be appreciated, i think i should use some Clomid and/or nolvadex to get myself back to normal ASAP.
Also heres my pre-cycle blood test the one the doctor did when he diagnosed hashimotos (thyroid auto-immune disease) after i had been using the clen and T3 for a while and overtraining a bit.
My latest blood tests:
(Blood test done in the early morning in a fasting state)
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) - 7.72 High 1-5 being normal
Free Thyroxine (T4) - 15.0
Triiodothyroxine Free (T3) - 5.2
Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) - 5.4 *
Luteinising Hormone (LH) - 1.9 *
Prolactin = 105
Testosterone - 11.5 normal being 8 - 26 nmol/L
DHEAS - 4.5 *
Growth Hormone - 5.4
IGF-1 - 41.5
Thyroglobulin Antibodies - 48 *
Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies - 2069 Very High
04-05-2008, 03:32 AM
Some additional info.
Right now im supplmenting with fish oil/Flaxseed oil 2 tbsp of flax oil and about 10 fish oil capsules daily. Vitamin C 2g a day, B Vitamin Complex, Liver tablets (milk thistle) and multivitamin. Also Whey protein usually.
My diet consists of egg whites, chicken breast, lean beef, tuna, oatmeal, cornmeal (grits), rice, potatoes, rice and corn cakes, fruits and vegetables and skim milk.
I eat mostly protein and some healthy fats and a bit of carbs now and then.
04-05-2008, 06:25 AM
I see pharma grade pregnelone cream is the way to go, but ive also found dermacrine sustain which has preg, dhea and a few other things.
04-05-2008, 09:53 AM
Thanks Matrix. The endo put me on 100mg of T4 daily but i find it isn't working and actually slowing my metabolism down even further. I suspect it has to do with adrenal insufficency from the overtraining, undereating etc.
Im going to try to get a 24hr cortisol saliva test and maybe a ACTH stimulation test as well to see whats really going on. Also i want to check for Reverse T3.
I've read small amounts of cortisol are good for depleted adrenals so im thinking of trying Isocort or maybe Hydrocortisone if my tests come up low which i suspect they will. I've tried to reduce stress in my life, eat properly and supplement well and have a good sleeping schedule but it just isn't working and i can't get my weight down no matter how hard i try.
Your right about the hashimoto's being genetic my dad also has the disease. So hopefully ill try some cortisol then slowly add armour thyroid in.
What other tests would be benefical that i haven't done yet so i can find out why my metabolism has gone to ****?
E2, Free T, SHBG maybe...
I've had a glucose tolerance test and it came back normal to rule out insulin resistance, i've also had highly elevated AST and ALT liver values in my previous blood tests from unknown reasons.
Do you think 4 weeks after using nolvadex my blood work will be back to normal?
04-06-2008, 10:23 AM
04-07-2008, 07:39 AM
04-07-2008, 11:10 AM
04-07-2008, 12:31 PM
Im pretty sure it is, but it'll definitly verify it first. I've stopped using the T4 and already feel better so that's a sign its something to do with the adrenals. Basically if im taking t4 and have low cortisol the thyroid hormone just builds up in my blood and i can't get the hormone to the cells because of the cortisol. So something like armour with isocort of hydrocortisone would be the thing i need most likely.
04-07-2008, 03:55 PM
04-07-2008, 09:06 PM
The regular Dermacrine does have pregnenolone -- plenty of it.
Men dont ever want to go too high on either topical progesterone or pregnenolone. When pregnenolone is taken topically it readily interacts 3b-HSD and converts to progesterone very rapidly. Torpical progesterone is also very easily over dosed.
The only time a guy should ever consider topical preg or progesterone cream is if there is some heavy exogenous androgens being administered, in which case you would need balanced progesterone levels for 5-alpha reductase reduction. (the reason we include pregnenolone in Dermacrine)
04-11-2008, 06:13 AM
Is their any way you can put on bodyfat even if your eating under maintenance?
Because i feel like ive put on fat in my lower back, inner thighs and obliques even though im eating all clean and not much.
I made the mistake of using a aromatizing steroid such as testosterone and not using an AI with it, so i think my estradiol levels r sky high and the test is converting to estro causing fat gain.
04-11-2008, 12:47 PM
04-11-2008, 11:29 PM
Protein/veg is basically all im eating with fish oil throughout the day. And maybe one carb meal a day.
My abdominal region is leaner then when i started, but everything else isn't. So this tells me i must just be holding a boatload of water
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