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    I've been struggling with lately sex. I start off good and hard then before being cumming I start going soft. This happens more times than not. I have always had a extremely high sex drive and lets say enjoyed my sex life very much. So this is a new thing. I do notice a lost in libido but that could or could not be linked to the loosing hardness issue.

    So here is a little background and I am sure a few of you already have chatted with me on previous posts.

    38 male. lifting over 15 years. pretty clean diet. strive for healthy overall lifestyle.

    I have
    major depression - 150mg wellbutrin and 300mg Lamictal
    hypothyroid - 2g Armour
    Low test - 100mg test-e/week divided e3d
    High BP - 10mg Lisinopril (high being 140/85)
    Sleep disorder - 1.0mg Klonopin

    My t level in July was at 171 while on 10g gel then 1 month after switching to 100mg test-e every other week it hit 899. Everything was working just fine for months. Good morning wood. Libido high. Performance good.

    I am pretty close to being due for a BT and maybe that will supply the info for this issue. But............. lets say the BT doesnt show anything abnormal/out of wack so to say. Then what........

    My Dr. feels that it is mostly in my head and I can see his point. Once you have a issue cumming, getting hard or staying hard then the next time your doing it you think about the problem and then create stress and your brain keeps thinking of that rather than enjoying the sex.

    I have to admit its on my mind most of the time and I worry when is it going to go soft. I even have hardness issues when watching porn so its not my wife or anything to do with her. I have access to Viagra, Lavitra but looking for some answers not just temporarily fixing with a pill. Plus, I'm to young and this came on to fast to need to take a pill to f@ck.


    So thats one theory........... looking for others to share their thoughts, ideas and pasts experiences and what helped them. Ilook forward to your comments.

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    Ok then lets start off with this
    1. when was the blood drawn last test for T
    2. sleep patterns
    3. current eating patterns
    4. daily activty
    5. amount out in the sun each day
    6 are loacated in the northern part of US above 40 th parellel.
    By balancing the liver properly through dietary and life stlye modications I have gotten 70% off their head shrinking meidcines got their libido back and alleviate there depressive symptoms. Through my research people on antidepressant drugs are at higher chances for developing cancer because the medicines alter the detoxification pathways with in the liver. chineese have not been wrong for 5000 years, heal the liver heal the body..

    With my clients i do a comprehensive interview for 2-3 hours and from that I do indept resarch to come up with a game plan through lifestyle changes and dietary modificatons based on labortaroy reports and clinincal tests. I have been spot on 100% so far. When I recommend supplements I back them up with clincal reasoning why and make them understand the purpose. MY goal is not to ram pills down some one's throat, but to maximize there efficiency to be cost effective.
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    its amazing how sensitive "it" is to when you think about it...

    post blood work, and if its out of whack I am sure you will get help here
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    I start off good and hard then before being cumming I start going soft.
    Oddly enough when this happened to me it turned out to be a swollen prostate.
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    1st thanks for you response!
    1. when was the blood drawn last test for T - July
    total t - 899ng/ml
    free t - 34.9pg/dl
    e2 - 66pd/ml (lowered with l-dex but # not known
    shbg - 22.8nmol-L
    prolactin - 6.76ng/ml
    alt - 47iu/l
    chol - 211
    hdl - 49mg/dl
    ldl - 138
    trig - 120mg/gl
    chd risk - 4.30
    albium - 4.5
    psa - .31
    fsh - .21
    lh - .20
    tsh - 1.276
    t4 free - .70ng/dl
    t4 total - 4.30ng/dl
    t3 total - 103ng/dl
    hgb - 13g/dl
    hct - 41%

    2. sleep patterns - 6-8hrs (bed 10ish up for gym 4:45)

    3. current eating patterns - good, 40%P, 30-40%C, 20%F

    4. daily activty - 15-20min cardio, 35-45min weights

    5. amount out in the sun each day - winter so no, Michigan

    How do I - By balancing the liver properly through dietary and life stlye modications

    what type, I've seen head Dr.'s - With my clients i do a comprehensive interview for 2-3 hours

    what do you recommend -I recommend supplements I back them up with clincal reasoning why and make them understand the purpose.

    I am calling my Dr. to request a BT to compare the above items. Any additional tests I should ask for?

    I plan to research today how to improve libido and ED. I was thinking about it last night and I really dont have much desire anymore. I have had a extremely high sex drivee my whole life and so this is very out of the norm. Also, I just dont get that great hardness. Somethings off/wrong. Thinking of asking my urologist to send me to endo but havent heard much possitive about them.

    Maybe next is to Dr. John, he is 2 hours away but I cant see my personal Dr. agreeing to this and dont want him to drop me as a patient.

    Look forward to hearing back. Any suggested readings/webs and info is greatly appreciated.
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    going to attempt to create a new thread with a better heading to try and get more attention and help with this issue.
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    What title would you like this one to have and I can change it.
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    Thinking about it. Something in the area of

    Sex - ED - LIBIDO - DIET - TRT - WELLBEING - HOW TO MAKE IT ALL WORK
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    Quote Originally Posted by corndog View Post
    Thinking about it. Something in the area of

    Sex - ED - LIBIDO - DIET - TRT - WELLBEING - HOW TO MAKE IT ALL WORK
    Over 70% of the people I have consulted with turned out that they have high histamines and means that they have estrogen related metabolism problems behind the scene. Histamines and estrogen share the same pathway do it ionly makes sense when one is jammed up so is the other. Even though their blood looks perfect it shows a whole different picture at cellular levels and what a mess it is thats for sure.
    once i start to bleed out the bad estrogens and open their liver pathways their symptoms start to be alleviated as well as depression.. I use the tongue, fingernails as a gauge to your health and areas that are imbalanced then from there I know where ti focus on and what steps to take next. There is no candy cutter method but majority of people fall into same catagory when I really start digging in to their past.

    excessive Stress -trigger DNA polymorphism (genetics) -lowers serotnin - decreases melatonin -increases cortisol -depeltes gluthione- histmaines and estogen metabolism altered - increase load on antioxidents - open doors to cancers . This does not include even hormonal dysruptions added inot the mix !!

    Anti depressants cause cancerby depelting melatonin. I recmmend all people on anti depressants to take 1 -3 mgs time released melatonin to prevent this.
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    mmm, man u pack some knowledge!!

    im stressed out lots, maybe i will start taking my 3mg meletonin at night ...rearely get my 8hrs of sleep tho, thus i would be groggy i think...

    have u heard taking it b4 working out (increase HG levels?) would that method still decrrease cortisol and such?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phatkid77 View Post
    mmm, man u pack some knowledge!!

    im stressed out lots, maybe i will start taking my 3mg meletonin at night ...rearely get my 8hrs of sleep tho, thus i would be groggy i think...

    have u heard taking it b4 working out (increase HG levels?) would that method still decrrease cortisol and such?
    Taking what before workouts? Melatonin are you nuts you'll only shut down your natural hormones cascade during the rest of the day. If you are worried about cortisol. Practice mediation and relaxation exercieses before going to bed to increase serotonin to increase melatonin. 90% of people I deal with have fukd up sleep patterns that start a vicious cascade on there hormonal axis. By correcting dietary and lifestyle changes this can actually be reset in some instances other instance need to have hormonal interactions. If after 6-8 weeks of life style and dietary changes, supplemental interactions I send them dr john for further evaluation. Majority of the time if people make it a prority in life to want to get better it then they will other words they will come to notorious paxil pushers and make matters worse.

    healing begings in the mind but some time you have to first heal the liver and gut by removing metabolic road blocks before this can even start. Some people come to me depressed, no libido and no where to turn to because drs are not willing to help beause all test are normal. Once I start digging into things I find alot of possible imbalnces and by correcting them 2-3 weeks they are a new person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post

    excessive Stress -trigger DNA polymorphism (genetics) -

    You have said this before. How does physical/emotional stress cause DNA polymorphisms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    You have said this before. How does physical/emotional stress cause DNA polymorphisms?
    http://www.ehponline.org/members/2007/115-12/focus.html

    more so now these days its environmental stresses, but stress in general or hidden child hood memorys that have been buried hoping that they go away resurface 20-30 years with vengence. That is why dealing with the issue at hand is a must as parent instead of sweeping it under the cover so to speak
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    I have been reading your posts/responses all morning and wow you have allot of good stuff. As you mentioned before I do have most of the side effects or issues going on in my life and I am not getting the answers I want from Dr.'s

    For years every head med has been pushed on me. I have taken just about anything out there and I am so tired of it and dealing with depression. Not that finding out I have low t was a good thing but at least it point to some of the head problems.

    My biggest issue with all of this stuff especially with Dr. is they either just want to shove a pill at you to fix something rather than trying to find out why is there a problem and how to correct that.

    I have reduced my dep. meds on my own (slowly) since being put on TRT and my dep. is been pretty regulated as far as highs and lows. My goal is to someday get off the wellbutrin and lamictal but I have aa hard time beleiving this will ever happen.

    I am hoping to clear up somethings with all your help and past expeiences but as I have been reading for a while that allot of people have the allot of the same issues and there is just so many answers.

    One problem I am having is blasted all over this site and that is this.

    For whatever reason I out of the blue started having problems getting or keeping hard ons. Than a few weeks later I lost my libido. Im the type that had to hide my rod at work because I just thought of a hot chick to looking at p@rn might or might not get me hard and excited.

    I do stress about this allot so I know that is causing some of the issues. Most everytime I am going to have sex I start thinking about the issue. I know I need to relax but that is easier said than done.

    Trying to get a BT called in so I can compare July's # to current and see if it reveals anything. Like allot of other people I have read their stories are similar to that when they 1st started test everything was great and allot of them after a while got into my issues.

    I know e2 can be a issue but when it was high 66 I was always horny but my nipples hurt so I got on l-dex and maybe got it to low.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on and on but would love feedback on any of my issues topics.

    how to best treat low test
    best way to eat for hormonal health - overall health and mental health
    any other comments and questions are greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Nutrigenomics: The Genome–Food Interface

    more so now these days its environmental stresses, but stress in general or hidden child hood memorys that have been buried hoping that they go away resurface 20-30 years with vengence. That is why dealing with the issue at hand is a must as parent instead of sweeping it under the cover so to speak
    What that article says about polymorphisms is that environmental factors can alter gene expression.


    In other words, the environmental factors do not actually cause the polymorphism, but they can cause a latent polymorphism to be expressed. That's an enormous difference.

    If the environmental factors causedthe polymorphism, that would be the equivalent of saying that environmental factors can change an individual's genome, which, as far as we know, is impossible.

    Someone will undoubtedly mention gene therapy. But that is a highly artificial circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    once i start to bleed out the bad estrogens and open their liver pathways
    hardasnails, you are a smart guy. Can you share how to do this? ie. specific supplements and diet? Is DIM ia good way to clear bad estrogens? Sounds like you'd need good liver function first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by de49152 View Post
    hardasnails, you are a smart guy. Can you share how to do this? ie. specific supplements and diet? Is DIM ia good way to clear bad estrogens? Sounds like you'd need good liver function first.
    Liver function test are all smack dead in the middle. They will not show crap, Give the body a toxin and see how it responds is a different scenrio. This will being out hidden blockage in the pathways. Dim is good BUT one has to understand the futher mechanism to prevent overloading the body with metabolite it can not handle..Considering majoirty of people have some genetically predisposition to undermethyation this needs to be taken into consideration. you start flooding the body with metabolites and the pathways are not open it just going to cause more havoc. Need treat e metabolism like a sewer plant. Before you start flooding the crap you have to make sure the pump is working properly further down the line. Same way with detoxificatoin people start with liver first which is ass backwards. You need to start with colon kidneys then the liver..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    You need to start with colon kidneys then the liver..
    Any recommendations for supplements to do this, or is everyone's situation different based on testing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by de49152 View Post
    Any recommendations for supplements to do this, or is everyone's situation different based on testing?
    People with estrogen problems have bile acids that are violatile locked in the liver and do not get released and over time this buiilds up causing problems with gall bladder issues resulting in thickening of the bile. for colon cleaning best thing would be magnesium oxide or oxypowder by GHC. Stuff will blow a whole in any ones ass LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Over 70% of the people I have consulted with turned out that they have high histamines and means that they have estrogen related metabolism problems behind the scene. Histamines and estrogen share the same pathway do it ionly makes sense when one is jammed up so is the other. Even though their blood looks perfect it shows a whole different picture at cellular levels and what a mess it is thats for sure.
    once i start to bleed out the bad estrogens and open their liver pathways their symptoms start to be alleviated as well as depression.. I use the tongue, fingernails as a gauge to your health and areas that are imbalanced then from there I know where ti focus on and what steps to take next. There is no candy cutter method but majority of people fall into same catagory when I really start digging in to their past.

    excessive Stress -trigger DNA polymorphism (genetics) -lowers serotnin - decreases melatonin -increases cortisol -depeltes gluthione- histmaines and estogen metabolism altered - increase load on antioxidents - open doors to cancers . This does not include even hormonal dysruptions added inot the mix !!

    Anti depressants cause cancerby depelting melatonin. I recmmend all people on anti depressants to take 1 -3 mgs time released melatonin to prevent this.
    This comes off as quite vague and unspecific. There is obviously no "cookie cutter" protocol but how exactly do you treat the "bad liver pathway"?

    I don't understand half of what you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bungloid48 View Post
    This comes off as quite vague and unspecific. There is obviously no "cookie cutter" protocol but how exactly do you treat the "bad liver pathway"?

    I mean absolutely no offense but the way you describe it, it comes off as some holistic voodoo medicine (colon cleansing?!!?!?!). Just by first glance, you can always tell... probably this is not the case with you, HAN, I'm sure you know your stuff but I'd change the way you present your theories if you want a broader audience appeal. I don't understand half of what you post.

    Or maybe I've been hanging out with Lyle Mcdonald for too long.
    neither do most MD's that why people come to me to help them find underlying causes vs treating symptoms. Voodoo you wish it is scientifically proven and has been around for thousands of years. Look into chinese medicine they treated liver as primary cause of 90% of american problems and have been doing it for all long time, but traditional medicine has not caught on due to fact that you can not treat it wilth a drug. Plus spending the past 4 years studying enzyamtic pathway in the body and how nutrients and hormones interact there are only a very few people in the united states even understand the concepts, but my track record speaks for its self..
    Yes you are right there are people out there that do not know what they are doingandcan end up damaging people and even killing them tinkering around with metabolic altering the metabolic pathways. Crap knew some idiot told a person hypoglycemia to take metformin that it will help control there blood sugar they ended up in the hospital with glucose of 35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bungloid48 View Post
    This comes off as quite vague and unspecific. There is obviously no "cookie cutter" protocol but how exactly do you treat the "bad liver pathway"?

    I don't understand half of what you post.

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    Let me get this straight, HAN: There is a connection between histamines and Estrogen?


    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Over 70% of the people I have consulted with turned out that they have high histamines and means that they have estrogen related metabolism problems behind the scene. Histamines and estrogen share the same pathway do it ionly makes sense when one is jammed up so is the other. Even though their blood looks perfect it shows a whole different picture at cellular levels and what a mess it is thats for sure.
    I find this potentially fascinating as I have had high histamines and have received allergy shots for the last 10 years. Started not breathing through my nose 10 years ago and went to shots to try and solve the root problem, at least to the extent I then thought possible.

    Could you explain what you mean here and how this line of thought is derived? As always, thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anyman View Post
    I find this potentially fascinating as I have had high histamines and have received allergy shots for the last 10 years. Started not breathing through my nose 10 years ago and went to shots to try and solve the root problem, at least to the extent I then thought possible.

    Could you explain what you mean here and how this line of thought is derived? As always, thanks in advance.
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    It seems we kinda got off the topic or my question/issues. My problem as mentioned earlier is that I have lost almost all of the sex drive. When I do get a erection it is either only a semi or I seem to loose hardness during.

    Also, I noticed that since my t levels have increased I cum faster than normal. Dr. told me that he has guys take lexapro 10mg e3d or e4d to help them last longer.

    This might be something I look into but if I dont have desire/libido and my d!ck doesnt get hard then why?

    Thought of asking Dr. for Cialis or Viagra to help with hardness but thats just another pill to take and doesnt address the issue. So at this point I might get the script and use it as needed while I try and figure out the rest.

    One other issue I think ways on my mind and Im sure is added stress is I am stressed out about how much my nuts have shrunk since starting test-e. So I worry both about getting/keeping a hard on and the fact my balls are allot smaller. Obviously this tells you all thatboth my urologist and Dr. dont/wont scribe me HCG.

    Same reason I have read before. They say its a bodybuilding drug and its used for woman to increase chance of preg.

    Does anything else help your balls maintain size? Starting to wounder if I should add some of my Androgel to my test regimine. I dont know much about DHT and if that contributes to low libido but........
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    as I might have mentioned earlier, I think im in a similar boat. I would avoid as much as you can the meds, especially the lexapro. Cialis or viagra not bad, although not cheap.

    Part of the early thing might be just not used to things working right...i think thats a bit tied to whats going on with me, although only partly.

    Im soon adding b12 injections...will see if that has any side-effects that are noteworthy to this discussion.

    I would try to find a doc to get you hcg, I find its incredibly imortant. I am on t-gel rather then injects and am in a similar boat. See if you can get an organic acids test done to check other pathways as well.

    If i come up with anything that is helpful, you'll be the first to know.
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    is your urologist a tard?? says right in the leaflet
    "for male hypogonadism 1000-4000iu 3x week"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottyo View Post
    as I might have mentioned earlier, I think im in a similar boat. I would avoid as much as you can the meds, especially the lexapro. Cialis or viagra not bad, although not cheap.

    Part of the early thing might be just not used to things working right...i think thats a bit tied to whats going on with me, although only partly.

    Im soon adding b12 injections...will see if that has any side-effects that are noteworthy to this discussion.

    I would try to find a doc to get you hcg, I find its incredibly imortant. I am on t-gel rather then injects and am in a similar boat. See if you can get an organic acids test done to check other pathways as well.
    If i come up with anything that is helpful, you'll be the first to know.
    NutraEval
    consist of this set of tests, plus report gives list of supplements and daily dose for corrective action.

    Metabolic Analysis
    Amino Acid analysis
    Essential & Metabolic Fatty Acid
    Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids Assessment
    Elemental Analysis, Packed Erythrocytes
    Oxidative Stress Analysis

    Tell me more about B12
    my results show B12 defficiency,
    and I already am taking large amouts of it
    plus my blood test shows B12 at the top range

    B12 is neural protector, low functional B12=ED (I guess).
  

  
 

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