Long Readbut Will Make You Think Twice About Fish Oils !!
- 10-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Long Readbut Will Make You Think Twice About Fish Oils !!
- 10-15-2007, 03:42 PM
- 10-15-2007, 04:07 PM
10-15-2007, 04:53 PM
Was there a link to where you can buy the oil complex spoken about? PEO'S btw I wonder how Udo's oil compairs?
10-15-2007, 04:53 PM
Isn't this an "everything in moderation" kind of argument?
Would one or two fish oil pills constitute megadosing?
10-15-2007, 05:12 PM
Would anyone who has read this mind giving a two-minute version of what it's about? I don't know when I'll find the time to sit down and read the entire thing. I'd love to, I just can't...
10-15-2007, 05:24 PM
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
Item Catalog Number: 982
Pure+™ Wild Fish Oil Concentrate
EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid)
DHA (docosahexaenoic acid)
Other Omega-3 fatty acids
Polyphen-Oil™ Olive (Olea europa) Fruit Extract
[std. to 8% total polyphenols (24 mg), 0.7% hydroxytyrosol (2.1 mg), 0.3% oleuropein (0.9 mg) and 0.5% verbascoside (1.5 mg)]
Sesame seed (Sesamum indicum) lignan extract
For the (about) two months I also use one tablespoon of
the very finest
Should I drop anything, if yes I would rather drop Carlson.
I also use
Super CLA Blend with Guarana and Sesame Lignans
1000 mg, 120 softgels
Item Catalog Number: 819
does it get into picture here?
10-15-2007, 05:55 PM
As I have been preaching many times before correct 6:3 ratio is essentual for proper cell membrane functioning and in the human body is between 2-4: 1 6:3. I was a flaxseed oil freak for many years and my estrogens where never out of wack, but the balance of 6:3 was severly skewed and was I beleive the primary cause of my illness from 4 years ago. So for now I am using hempseed oil 2 TBSP daily and cutting back on fiber a bit since it does bind with fat if too much is present in a meal which my cholesterol has been reflecting for several years...my diet will br 40% fat 30% carbs and protein with 1/3 coming from saturated, mono, poly saturates. I know that fat decrease shbg and this is a proven fat. If iwas taking 50 grams of fiber a day and barely getting 40 grams of fat. it was basically being absorbed and pushed out by the fiber since it is common knowledge that fiber absorbs fat which could be explaining all of my lipid levels being incredible low as well as cholesterol..
10-15-2007, 08:20 PM
Can you sum up the paper mentioned
How do you like the hemp stuff? Are you subject to drug tests for your employer?
10-15-2007, 08:35 PM
It basically says that the reported levels of O6:O3 in the average diet may be much less than the ratios suggested by some researches as high as 40:1. Most are still deficient, and would benefit from moderate supplementation.
10-15-2007, 08:55 PM
What test are you going to have?
Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids (RBC) test
GDX Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids Assessment
sample report on test results
Wonder what criteria to use when figuring out that money spend on this test is well spend.
10-16-2007, 10:08 AM
10-16-2007, 10:08 AM
Would it be fair to say that if someone was not regularly eating fish (maybe a can of tuna per day) that taking one or two fish oil pills would still be a good idea?
10-16-2007, 02:18 PM
People die from too much water. Anything is a poison at a certain dose. Fish oil is EXTREMELY good for you!
10 Reasons Fish Oils are Essential
Fish oils, rich in the Omega-3 fatty acids may help prevent depression, stabilize the moods of maniac-depressives, and alleviate symptoms of schizophrenia.
University of California's Johnsson Cancer Center, Los Angeles, CA health.com
Fish oils is one of the few substances known to lower concentrations of triglycerides (fatty substances) that pose a cardiovascular risk, in the blood.
J Raloff Science News
Increasing the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids has direct effects on serotonin levels.
Andrew Stoll M.D.1999 Archives of General Psychiatry
Fish oils, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) help prevent heart disease, depression, and cancer.
Hans R. Larsen, Msc chE "Fish Oils: The Essential Nutrients" International Health News
Research has shown that supplementation with fish oils can markedly reduce interlukin-1beta production and results in a significant reduction in morning stiffness and the number of painful joints in rheumatoid arthritis patients.
Darlington, L Gail and Stone, Trevor W. Antioxidants and fatty acids in the amelioration of rheumatoid arthritis and related disorders. British Journal of Nutrition, Vol. 85, March 2001, pp.251-69. Oilofpisces.com
Several clinical trials have concluded that eating fish regularly or supplementing with fish oils can reduce the risk of sudden cardiac death by as much as 50%.
Bigger,J. Thomas and El-Sherif, Tarek. Polyunsaturated fatty acids and cardiovascular events: a fish tale. Circulation, Vol.103, February 6, 2001, pp623-25 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com
Researchers at Mayo Clinic report that supplementation with fish oils, EPA and DHA is highly effective in slowing down the progression of IgA nephropathy, a common kidney disease.
Donadio, James V.,et al. A controlled trial of fish oil in IgA nephropathy. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331 November 3, 1994, pp1194-99 Van Ypersele de Strihou, Charles. Fish oil for IgA nephropathy? New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331, November 3, 1994, pp 1227-29 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com
Epidemiological studies have shown that populations with a high intake of fish oils have a lower incidence of inflammatory diseases such as asthma.
Dry J. and Vincent D. Effect of a Fish oil diet on asthma: results of a 1-year double bind study. Int Arch Allerguy Appl Immurol, Vol.95, 1991,pp.156-57. Oilofpisces.com
Researchers at The University of Tromso now report that fish oil supplementation lowers blood pressure significantly in people with hypertension and has no effect on glucose control even in people with mid diabetes.
Toft, Ingrid, et al. Effects of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids on glucose homeostasis and blood pressure in essential hypertension. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp 911-18. Connor, William E. Diabetes, fish oil, and vascular disease. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp950-52. Oilofpisces.com.
Medical researchers in New Zealand provide convincing evidence that an increased consumption of fish oils helps reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.
Norrish, A,E, et al. Prostate cancer risk and consumption of fish oils: A dietary biomaker-based case-control study. British Journal of Cancer, Vol. 81, No.7, December 1999, pp.1238-42
Q: What's one supplement that every athlete, weekend warrior, and basically any active person should be taking daily?
A: Fish oil. I was first introduced to fish oil twelve years ago by my friend Mauro DiPasquale. I was over at his house and he had fish oil on the counter. I asked him what he used it for and he said, "Charles, this is the most important supplement ever."
He told me to go to Medline and punch in any disease known to man and the words "fish oil" beside it. He challenged me to find a study that didn't show how fish oil could benefit in the treatment of any disease. I gave up after 86 studies!
Why is it so beneficial? It's in our genes. Humans used to consume 300-400 grams of omega-3s per week. If we consume more than two grams a day now it's considered a lot.
There was a study published four years ago that showed that if the US government issued three grams of fish oil per day to American citizens, then the amount of cancer and heart disease would go down by 50% within one year. Most readers don't care about cancer and heart disease, but they may care about this: the biggest limiting factor in naturally training people to getting lean and adding muscle is the consumption (or lack thereof) of omega-3s.
Looking at the body structure of cavemen, they had a lot of muscle mass compared to modern man. They got their omega-3s through the meats they ate. Now, they often ate what the predators left. For example, a lion will eat an antelope from the gut on, so what's left is the skull and long bones. Primitive man would break the skull open and eat the brains. Brains are 60% fat, and 60% of that is DHA, the omega-3. What they've found is that the more brain-sucking was going in those populations, the faster the IQ went up.
Primitive man would also break the bones of the prey and suck the marrow, also rich in omega-3, DHA particularly. DHA is the omega-3 most responsible for brain development while EPA is most associated with reducing inflammation.
My athletes would often recognize each other when sitting around a table because those I'd be training would break out the fish oil during the meal. That's how I got the nickname "the fish oil guy" among athletes. But that's also how I get people so lean so fast.
Anyone who wants to put on muscle and lose fat should be on 30-45 grams of fish oil per day. That's just three tablespoons of fish oil. It would be a pain in the ass with capsules though because that's around 45 capsules per day, but it's easy with a straight oil
fish oils offer thirteen possible advantages:
1. Cell membrane health: EPA and DHA insure that cell membranes remain healthy. This means that the membranes are flexible and contain larger numbers of insulin receptors that are more receptive and responsive to circulating insulin. This results in decreased fat storage in the adipocytes (fat cells).
2. Fish oils turn on the lipolytic genes (fat burning genes).
3. Fish oils turn off the lipogenic genes (fat storage genes).
4. Fish oils diminish C-reactive proteins, a newly identified risk factor associated with various inflammatory diseases, including atherosclerosis, angina, coronary heart disease, heart attack, stroke, congestive heart failure, and diabetes. The DHA fraction of the fish oil seems to be one most responsible for that protective effect. DHA also has the best ability to reduce blood pressure.
5. Increase utilization of fat stores from the adipocytes.
6. Preferential utilization for energy production once stored in the adipocytes.
7. Reduced inflammation from physical training.
8. Pain management from the reduced inflammation.
9. EPA regulates blood supply to the brain which is essential in maintaining focus in weight training sessions. DHA is important in brain membranes, memory, and cognitive function.
10. Fish oils increase serotonin levels (the happy neurotransmitter). Therefore, fish oils will decrease incidence of depression, anxiety, panic attack, and reduce carbohydrate cravings.
11. Fish oils will improve your cardiovascular risk profile by lowering VLDL, triglycerides, homocysteine, fibrinogen, and increasing HDL levels. Combining fish oils with plant sterols will improve lipid levels even more than either alone.
12. Fish oils can also decrease blood pressure by several mechanisms. These include increases in the vasodilatory compound, nitric oxide, reducing vascular inflammation, blocking the constrictive elements in the vascular wall such as the calcium channels reducing blood viscosity, and inhibiting a blood vessel constrictor (thromboxane). Lipoprotein (a) is another CVD predictor that can be lowered by fish oils (a 19% reduction was seen with natural, stable fish oils and just 4% with a highly purified fish oil).
13. Fish oils are a great stress fighter. Supplementation with n-3 fatty acids inhibits the adrenal activation of steroids, aldosterone, epinephrine, and norepinephrine (catecholamines) elicited by a mental stress, apparently through effects exerted at the level of the central nervous system. Therefore, for the same amount of stress, one will produce fewer stress hormones if consuming fish oils on a regular basis.
10-17-2007, 01:01 AM
So what's the consensus? Now we're not supposed to take fish oil supplements?
Yesterday, they were the best thing since sliced bread.
Now we're supposed to throw them out?
When does it ever stop?
10-17-2007, 02:46 AM
Like anything else, more is not necessarily better. There is no doubt fish oil benefits us in many ways, just keep the dose reasonable. In fact, most of the info out now says fish oil caps from a good manufacturer are safer than eating fish, esp tuna, due to mercury levels.
10-17-2007, 07:50 AM
IF you eat fish at least 3 times a week 1 tsp would be fine or few pills a day, but not 3 TBSP a day like some people I have read are doing.
Thats why i prefer to go with hempseed oil over any other oil its balanced and you will never have to worry about upsetting the ratio of omega 6:3 for life, plus its good 500 mgs of GLA in it as well.
1 -2 TBSP of hemp seed oil
1 tsp of fish and balance is set !!
Most body parts use 4:1 ratio of 6:3 hemp is 3:1 which is the closes your can get to human cell membrane make up.
I use hemp in my salads alot !!
10-17-2007, 08:28 AM
10-17-2007, 08:30 AM
10-17-2007, 09:18 AM
I also looked at the GLA/EPA from lef which also looks very good since it is one of the few thst sticks to the 2:1 ratio.
I take 2000 mgs of GLA a with 1 tsp of carlsons fish oils a day which puts in the proper ratio and let food fall where ever it may be. I'm a big fan on EFA ratios and cell membrane intregrity
I'm calling Genova and getting prices on certain EFAS RBC
EPA. DHA, arachonic acid, GLA, LNA, ALA
10-17-2007, 10:03 AM
they have number of products that contain GLA but I could not find the one that have GLA & EPA.
It is very nice project that you are workng on.
I would like to be able to take supplements per my test results, way that is much more to the point.
Post list of tests (with links) from Genova that are helpful with this task.
You have said:
1 tsp of carlsons fish oils
that is a teaspoon??
I am taking one tablespoon, is that too much?
This is on top of two pills of;
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
When I was a child in Poland I was drinking 1 tablespoon/day of "tran", thanks to good old USA supplying it.
Not sure what was it. I thought it was a oil made from whales.
Possibly it was Cod oil, not sure.
The smell and taste of it was something not easy to get used.
10-17-2007, 10:06 AM
Vitamin Shoppe Fish Oil
I don't know who mentioned it earlier (or in another thread) but I just bought the $6.99 bottle of Vitamin Shoppe Fish Oil which contains 47 teaspoon servings.
Those teaspoon servings have more EPA/DHA than the pills I was taking which were costing me maybe $18.00 a month.
So to whoever brought it up, thanks for saving me the $$$.
Plus, Lemonade burps are always something to look forward to
10-17-2007, 10:20 AM
10-17-2007, 10:33 AM
10-17-2007, 10:48 AM
10-17-2007, 12:01 PM
I frankly love the stuff. It has none of the obnoxious problems that go with other fish oils. I take it by the teaspoonful. It is lemon-flavored, but I think that it would have a neutral flavor even without the lemon flavoring. No fishy belches .... no belching at all, actually.
Some people use it on salads. I don't because I view it as a supplement more than a food product. But I can see how they would.
And, as I noted above, two teaspoons/day keep my triglyceride level at 50-75.
10-17-2007, 12:15 PM
10-17-2007, 02:58 PM
10-17-2007, 06:01 PM
10-18-2007, 02:37 PM
One of the guys at the H2 group looked into this guy and found this about him.
I've got to take issue with the article. It makes a big deal about
"negative" impacts of omega 3 oils suppressing immune function - but
that is exactly why cardiologists and others recommend it. It reduces
inflammation that is the start of coronary artery disease. It quiets
allergic like reactions that are harmful to the body.
SO what is really a sales brochure for is touting the very benefit of
the oil as a negative . I'm sorry looking over the site makes me very
skeptical of this guy. His site brags about him being a professor,
but if you dig you find out he's an electrical engineer who was once
an adjunct professor.
A further look shows he's been indicted for fraud:
"Jukes and his wife Fay were formerly involved in a pyramid diet
scheme called Best of Health which was run from near Glasgow. Fay
appeared in a "before" and "after" testimonial after she lost 22lbs in
Best of Health used the Radiant Health Diet from US "nutrition guru"
Brian Peskin. In 2002, the Texas Attorney General charged Peskin with
making misleading claims. Besides slamming the product, the law chief
also alleged Peskin did not hold his claimed PhD; was not a research
scientist or a professor. Best of Health sued Peskin.
He's peddled every conceivable miracle - even cellulite remover:
I think I'll look to the American Heart Association over this guys
10-18-2007, 03:17 PM
10-18-2007, 03:41 PM
10-18-2007, 05:57 PM
10-18-2007, 06:01 PM
Please post your opinion on fish oil, dose and other supplements that need also be taken when supplementing with fish oil.
10-18-2007, 07:13 PM
10-18-2007, 10:54 PM
10-19-2007, 10:30 AM
10-19-2007, 10:31 AM
10-19-2007, 10:57 AM
10-19-2007, 07:46 PM
A brief synopsis of the article.
The main point: Most people are deficient in unrefined/unprocessed PEO's (Parent Essential Oils). Brian Peskin coined this term.
This term “Parent Essential Oils” refers to the only two true essential fatty acids: parent omega-6 (LA) and parent omega-3 (ALA). The term “parent” is used because these are the whole, unadulterated form of the only two essential fats your body demands, as they occur in nature. Once PEOs are consumed your body changes a small percentage of them—about 5%—into other biochemicals called “derivatives,” while leaving the remaining 95% in parent form.
The Parent Essential Oils have very important functions.
Supplementing with derivatives like fish oil can exacerbate health problems, resulting from a low Omega 3 (ALA)EPA/DHA) ratio.
Since many of the Omega 3 and Omega 6's we consume are processed, this can lead to a deficiency of the Parent Essential Oils, linoleic acid, and alpha-linolenic acid.
PEO's should be supplemented in a ratio of 1:1 to 2.5:1, Omega 6:Omega 3.
Most people don't supplement the PEO alpha-linolenic acid, making it doubly important.
Do I believe this guy? Not sure, but his research is compelling, and he has definitely done his homework. Most of the research is not his own. He has borrowed it from other scientists and freely admits this.
I don't trust Quackwatch at all. You'll notice almost every single "alternative" practicitioner is listed on that site. The fact that one is not in :mainstream" medicine is sufficient evidence to being labelled as a quack, apparently no matter how good the research.
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