Long Readbut Will Make You Think Twice About Fish Oils !!

[hardasnails1973]

The Scientific Calculation of the Optimum Omega 6/3 Ratio

[MarkLA]

FYI: Link to PDF which is easier to read: http://www.brianpeskin.com/efa-analysis.pdf

[pmgamer18]

The Scientific Calculation of the Optimum Omega 6/3 Ratio

Do you have anything that talks about how bad flax seed and oil is bad for men becasue of estrogen.

[wideguy]

Was there a link to where you can buy the oil complex spoken about? PEO'S btw I wonder how Udo's oil compairs?

[rick055]

Isn't this an "everything in moderation" kind of argument?

Would one or two fish oil pills constitute megadosing?

[Zero Tolerance]

Would anyone who has read this mind giving a two-minute version of what it's about? I don't know when I'll find the time to sit down and read the entire thing. I'd love to, I just can't...

[JanSz]

The Scientific Calculation of the Optimum Omega 6/3 Ratio

I am taking 2 pills of

http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00982.html
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
120 softgels
Item Catalog Number: 982

Pure+™ Wild Fish Oil Concentrate
2000 mg

Yielding


EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid)
700 mg

DHA (docosahexaenoic acid)
500 mg

Other Omega-3 fatty acids
100 mg

Polyphen-Oil™ Olive (Olea europa) Fruit Extract
300 mg

[std. to 8% total polyphenols (24 mg), 0.7% hydroxytyrosol (2.1 mg), 0.3% oleuropein (0.9 mg) and 0.5% verbascoside (1.5 mg)]


Sesame seed (Sesamum indicum) lignan extract
10 mg
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For the (about) two months I also use one tablespoon of
Carlson
the very finest
Fish oil

Should I drop anything, if yes I would rather drop Carlson.
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I also use
Super CLA Blend with Guarana and Sesame Lignans
1000 mg, 120 softgels
Item Catalog Number: 819

does it get into picture here?

[hardasnails1973]

I am taking 2 pills of

Super Omega-3 Epa/Dha With Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract, 120 Softgels
Super Omega-3 EPA/DHA with Sesame Lignans & Olive Fruit Extract
120 softgels
Item Catalog Number: 982

Pure+™ Wild Fish Oil Concentrate
2000 mg

Yielding


EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid)
700 mg

DHA (docosahexaenoic acid)
500 mg

Other Omega-3 fatty acids
100 mg

Polyphen-Oil™ Olive (Olea europa) Fruit Extract
300 mg

[std. to 8% total polyphenols (24 mg), 0.7% hydroxytyrosol (2.1 mg), 0.3% oleuropein (0.9 mg) and 0.5% verbascoside (1.5 mg)]


Sesame seed (Sesamum indicum) lignan extract
10 mg
============================== =============
For the (about) two months I also use one tablespoon of
Carlson
the very finest
Fish oil

Should I drop anything, if yes I would rather drop Carlson.
============================== =============

I also use
Super CLA Blend with Guarana and Sesame Lignans
1000 mg, 120 softgels
Item Catalog Number: 819

does it get into picture here?

THis is why I suggest people to have reason for taking specific supplements AKA fish oils and flaxseed. I admit a teaspoon will not hurt you but if you eat fish there is no need for it. These idiots on other boards taking 3 TBSP of fish oil a day are just asking for trouble.. In another month or so I am going to have my RBC fatty acid check for EPA,dha, AA , LNA, LA because that is where i need to see the imbalance are and if they have been corrected. Since I know now what I do not hav to get all the EFAS done and just get ones i need.

As I have been preaching many times before correct 6:3 ratio is essentual for proper cell membrane functioning and in the human body is between 2-4: 1 6:3. I was a flaxseed oil freak for many years and my estrogens where never out of wack, but the balance of 6:3 was severly skewed and was I beleive the primary cause of my illness from 4 years ago. So for now I am using hempseed oil 2 TBSP daily and cutting back on fiber a bit since it does bind with fat if too much is present in a meal which my cholesterol has been reflecting for several years...my diet will br 40% fat 30% carbs and protein with 1/3 coming from saturated, mono, poly saturates. I know that fat decrease shbg and this is a proven fat. If iwas taking 50 grams of fiber a day and barely getting 40 grams of fat. it was basically being absorbed and pushed out by the fiber since it is common knowledge that fiber absorbs fat which could be explaining all of my lipid levels being incredible low as well as cholesterol..

[BigJimCalhoun]

Can you sum up the paper mentioned

How do you like the hemp stuff? Are you subject to drug tests for your employer?

[Kasumeat]

It basically says that the reported levels of O6:O3 in the average diet may be much less than the ratios suggested by some researches as high as 40:1. Most are still deficient, and would benefit from moderate supplementation.

[JanSz]

THis is why I suggest people to have reason for taking specific supplements AKA fish oils and flaxseed. I admit a teaspoon will not hurt you but if you eat fish there is no need for it. These idiots on other boards taking 3 TBSP of fish oil a day are just asking for trouble.. In another month or so I am going to have my RBC fatty acid check for EPA,dha, AA , LNA, LA because that is where i need to see the imbalance are and if they have been corrected. Since I know now what I do not hav to get all the EFAS done and just get ones i need.
As I have been preaching many times before correct 6:3 ratio is essentual for proper cell membrane functioning and in the human body is between 2-4: 1 6:3. I was a flaxseed oil freak for many years and my estrogens where never out of wack, but the balance of 6:3 was severly skewed and was I beleive the primary cause of my illness from 4 years ago. So for now I am using hempseed oil 2 TBSP daily and cutting back on fiber a bit since it does bind with fat if too much is present in a meal which my cholesterol has been reflecting for several years...my diet will br 40% fat 30% carbs and protein with 1/3 coming from saturated, mono, poly saturates. I know that fat decrease shbg and this is a proven fat. If iwas taking 50 grams of fiber a day and barely getting 40 grams of fat. it was basically being absorbed and pushed out by the fiber since it is common knowledge that fiber absorbs fat which could be explaining all of my lipid levels being incredible low as well as cholesterol..

Thank you HAN;

What test are you going to have?

Genova have

Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids (RBC) test

GDX Essential and Metabolic Fatty Acids Assessment

sample report on test results

http://www.gdx.net/images/reportpdf/emfa.pdf

Wonder what criteria to use when figuring out that money spend on this test is well spend.

[cpeil2]

The Scientific Calculation of the Optimum Omega 6/3 Ratio

For some additional perspective, try googling the author "Brian Peskin."

[rick055]

HAN-

Would it be fair to say that if someone was not regularly eating fish (maybe a can of tuna per day) that taking one or two fish oil pills would still be a good idea?

[ECTOmorph]

People die from too much water. Anything is a poison at a certain dose. Fish oil is EXTREMELY good for you!

10 Reasons Fish Oils are Essential


Fish oils, rich in the Omega-3 fatty acids may help prevent depression, stabilize the moods of maniac-depressives, and alleviate symptoms of schizophrenia.
University of California's Johnsson Cancer Center, Los Angeles, CA health.com


Fish oils is one of the few substances known to lower concentrations of triglycerides (fatty substances) that pose a cardiovascular risk, in the blood.
J Raloff Science News


Increasing the amount of Omega-3 fatty acids has direct effects on serotonin levels.
Andrew Stoll M.D.1999 Archives of General Psychiatry


Fish oils, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) help prevent heart disease, depression, and cancer.
Hans R. Larsen, Msc chE "Fish Oils: The Essential Nutrients" International Health News


Research has shown that supplementation with fish oils can markedly reduce interlukin-1beta production and results in a significant reduction in morning stiffness and the number of painful joints in rheumatoid arthritis patients.
Darlington, L Gail and Stone, Trevor W. Antioxidants and fatty acids in the amelioration of rheumatoid arthritis and related disorders. British Journal of Nutrition, Vol. 85, March 2001, pp.251-69. Oilofpisces.com


Several clinical trials have concluded that eating fish regularly or supplementing with fish oils can reduce the risk of sudden cardiac death by as much as 50%.
Bigger,J. Thomas and El-Sherif, Tarek. Polyunsaturated fatty acids and cardiovascular events: a fish tale. Circulation, Vol.103, February 6, 2001, pp623-25 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


Researchers at Mayo Clinic report that supplementation with fish oils, EPA and DHA is highly effective in slowing down the progression of IgA nephropathy, a common kidney disease.
Donadio, James V.,et al. A controlled trial of fish oil in IgA nephropathy. New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331 November 3, 1994, pp1194-99 Van Ypersele de Strihou, Charles. Fish oil for IgA nephropathy? New England Journal of Medicine, Vol 331, November 3, 1994, pp 1227-29 (editorial). Oilofpisces.com


Epidemiological studies have shown that populations with a high intake of fish oils have a lower incidence of inflammatory diseases such as asthma.
Dry J. and Vincent D. Effect of a Fish oil diet on asthma: results of a 1-year double bind study. Int Arch Allerguy Appl Immurol, Vol.95, 1991,pp.156-57. Oilofpisces.com


Researchers at The University of Tromso now report that fish oil supplementation lowers blood pressure significantly in people with hypertension and has no effect on glucose control even in people with mid diabetes.
Toft, Ingrid, et al. Effects of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids on glucose homeostasis and blood pressure in essential hypertension. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp 911-18. Connor, William E. Diabetes, fish oil, and vascular disease. Annals of Internal Medicine, Vol 123, No 12, December 15, 1995, pp950-52. Oilofpisces.com.


Medical researchers in New Zealand provide convincing evidence that an increased consumption of fish oils helps reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer.
Norrish, A,E, et al. Prostate cancer risk and consumption of fish oils: A dietary biomaker-based case-control study. British Journal of Cancer, Vol. 81, No.7, December 1999, pp.1238-42
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Q: What's one supplement that every athlete, weekend warrior, and basically any active person should be taking daily?

A: Fish oil. I was first introduced to fish oil twelve years ago by my friend Mauro DiPasquale. I was over at his house and he had fish oil on the counter. I asked him what he used it for and he said, "Charles, this is the most important supplement ever."

He told me to go to Medline and punch in any disease known to man and the words "fish oil" beside it. He challenged me to find a study that didn't show how fish oil could benefit in the treatment of any disease. I gave up after 86 studies!

Why is it so beneficial? It's in our genes. Humans used to consume 300-400 grams of omega-3s per week. If we consume more than two grams a day now it's considered a lot.

There was a study published four years ago that showed that if the US government issued three grams of fish oil per day to American citizens, then the amount of cancer and heart disease would go down by 50% within one year. Most readers don't care about cancer and heart disease, but they may care about this: the biggest limiting factor in naturally training people to getting lean and adding muscle is the consumption (or lack thereof) of omega-3s.

Looking at the body structure of cavemen, they had a lot of muscle mass compared to modern man. They got their omega-3s through the meats they ate. Now, they often ate what the predators left. For example, a lion will eat an antelope from the gut on, so what's left is the skull and long bones. Primitive man would break the skull open and eat the brains. Brains are 60% fat, and 60% of that is DHA, the omega-3. What they've found is that the more brain-sucking was going in those populations, the faster the IQ went up.

Primitive man would also break the bones of the prey and suck the marrow, also rich in omega-3, DHA particularly. DHA is the omega-3 most responsible for brain development while EPA is most associated with reducing inflammation.

My athletes would often recognize each other when sitting around a table because those I'd be training would break out the fish oil during the meal. That's how I got the nickname "the fish oil guy" among athletes. But that's also how I get people so lean so fast.

Anyone who wants to put on muscle and lose fat should be on 30-45 grams of fish oil per day. That's just three tablespoons of fish oil. It would be a pain in the ass with capsules though because that's around 45 capsules per day, but it's easy with a straight oil

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fish oils offer thirteen possible advantages:

1. Cell membrane health: EPA and DHA insure that cell membranes remain healthy. This means that the membranes are flexible and contain larger numbers of insulin receptors that are more receptive and responsive to circulating insulin. This results in decreased fat storage in the adipocytes (fat cells).

2. Fish oils turn on the lipolytic genes (fat burning genes).

3. Fish oils turn off the lipogenic genes (fat storage genes).

4. Fish oils diminish C-reactive proteins, a newly identified risk factor associated with various inflammatory diseases, including atherosclerosis, angina, coronary heart disease, heart attack, stroke, congestive heart failure, and diabetes. The DHA fraction of the fish oil seems to be one most responsible for that protective effect. DHA also has the best ability to reduce blood pressure.

5. Increase utilization of fat stores from the adipocytes.

6. Preferential utilization for energy production once stored in the adipocytes.

7. Reduced inflammation from physical training.

8. Pain management from the reduced inflammation.

9. EPA regulates blood supply to the brain which is essential in maintaining focus in weight training sessions. DHA is important in brain membranes, memory, and cognitive function.

10. Fish oils increase serotonin levels (the happy neurotransmitter). Therefore, fish oils will decrease incidence of depression, anxiety, panic attack, and reduce carbohydrate cravings.

11. Fish oils will improve your cardiovascular risk profile by lowering VLDL, triglycerides, homocysteine, fibrinogen, and increasing HDL levels. Combining fish oils with plant sterols will improve lipid levels even more than either alone.

12. Fish oils can also decrease blood pressure by several mechanisms. These include increases in the vasodilatory compound, nitric oxide, reducing vascular inflammation, blocking the constrictive elements in the vascular wall such as the calcium channels reducing blood viscosity, and inhibiting a blood vessel constrictor (thromboxane). Lipoprotein (a) is another CVD predictor that can be lowered by fish oils (a 19% reduction was seen with natural, stable fish oils and just 4% with a highly purified fish oil).

13. Fish oils are a great stress fighter. Supplementation with n-3 fatty acids inhibits the adrenal activation of steroids, aldosterone, epinephrine, and norepinephrine (catecholamines) elicited by a mental stress, apparently through effects exerted at the level of the central nervous system. Therefore, for the same amount of stress, one will produce fewer stress hormones if consuming fish oils on a regular basis.

[Skeptic]

So what's the consensus? Now we're not supposed to take fish oil supplements?

Yesterday, they were the best thing since sliced bread.

Now we're supposed to throw them out?

When does it ever stop?

[RPHMark]

Like anything else, more is not necessarily better. There is no doubt fish oil benefits us in many ways, just keep the dose reasonable. In fact, most of the info out now says fish oil caps from a good manufacturer are safer than eating fish, esp tuna, due to mercury levels.

[hardasnails1973]

Like anything else, more is not necessarily better. There is no doubt fish oil benefits us in many ways, just keep the dose reasonable. In fact, most of the info out now says fish oil caps from a good manufacturer are safer than eating fish, esp tuna, due to mercury levels.

MODERATION IS THE KEY !!
IF you eat fish at least 3 times a week 1 tsp would be fine or few pills a day, but not 3 TBSP a day like some people I have read are doing.
Thats why i prefer to go with hempseed oil over any other oil its balanced and you will never have to worry about upsetting the ratio of omega 6:3 for life, plus its good 500 mgs of GLA in it as well.

1 -2 TBSP of hemp seed oil
1 tsp of fish and balance is set !!

Most body parts use 4:1 ratio of 6:3 hemp is 3:1 which is the closes your can get to human cell membrane make up.

I use hemp in my salads alot !!

[JanSz]

MODERATION IS THE KEY !!
IF you eat fish at least 3 times a week 1 tsp would be fine or few pills a day, but not 3 TBSP a day like some people I have read are doing.
Thats why i prefer to go with hempseed oil over any other oil its balanced and you will never have to worry about upsetting the ratio of omega 6:3 for life, plus its good 500 mgs of GLA in it as well.

1 -2 TBSP of hemp seed oil
1 tsp of fish and balance is set !!

Most body parts use 4:1 ratio of 6:3 hemp is 3:1 which is the closes your can get to human cell membrane make up.

I use hemp in my salads alot !!

Where and what brand of hemp oil are you buying.
Post link please.

I am puzzled, I cannot find any supplements made of hemp or hemp seed oil when I look thru LEF or NowFoods.

[cpeil2]

So what's the consensus? Now we're not supposed to take fish oil supplements?

Yesterday, they were the best thing since sliced bread.

Now we're supposed to throw them out?

When does it ever stop?

Would I stop taking a nutritional supplement that keeps my trigylceride level at 50-75? Uh-uh.

[hardasnails1973]

Where and what brand of hemp oil are you buying.
Post link please.

I am puzzled, I cannot find any supplements made of hemp or hemp seed oil when I look thru LEF or NowFoods.

Nutriva is the best also there EV cocconut oil ROCKS !!
I also looked at the GLA/EPA from lef which also looks very good since it is one of the few thst sticks to the 2:1 ratio.

I take 2000 mgs of GLA a with 1 tsp of carlsons fish oils a day which puts in the proper ratio and let food fall where ever it may be. I'm a big fan on EFA ratios and cell membrane intregrity

I'm calling Genova and getting prices on certain EFAS RBC
EPA. DHA, arachonic acid, GLA, LNA, ALA