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  1. corndog-

    had levels checked, test was light, started androgel a week ago. feel really good since yesterday.

    once I get that squared away, i wil go from there, but wellbutrin is looking like a contender; I've been on: prozac, paxil, zoloft, trazodone, effexor and celexa so far. Celexa has worked the best with the most minimal sides for me, but libido is shot.

    I've lowered to 10 mgs and, since the a-gel, things are looking up!


  2. Cool, whatever it takes is the important thing. What works for me probably wont for you. The only thing I always check when it comes to head meds iare these

    1. does it f up your sex life

    2. is it live toxic

    wellbutrin is a good mild dep med and has the least sex side of anytthing out there. Make sure to get test levels checked again to see where they are at from the gel

    keep your chin up and your pecker out of your hands!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by corndog View Post
    August 11

    Started IM test-e & switched to Armour Thyroid = best I felt in years.
    Hence why I recommended strong hormone and thyroid support.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Atypical depression is EXTREMELY complicated. Some things that help:

    Wellbutrin/Tyrosine combo...to support health Dopaminergic function

    TRT/DHEA/Pregnenolone/6-OXO...to support "healthy" hormone levels.

    Thyroid support...to ensure energy usage is abundant and fatigue does not disable your ability to function

    Something like ZMT with melatonin...to support healthy serotonin levels, crucial minerals, and provide for sounds sleep.

    Adreneric support (support health adrenaline/noradrenaline function)

    Thought process manipulation/control/visualization

    EDIT: Forgot cortisol control
  5. Thumbs down Hyde whats up guy , Why you give up ?


    So your on TRT for life **** that cuz, Do some DD ive never given up i too had the operation to correct my nuts my test is **** but i know i can up my test levels with nolva or hcg i have proof of blood tests but not done anything since op its been 8 weeks now, Look at the proof you can be a real man without TRT i am going to do this in the next few weeks my test levels now ar 8.9nmol my sex drive is ****ed and my hard on is more like a floppy sasauge i am never going to give up no way i want my **** hard by natral means cuz, even if it kills me i have wood when im buried,,,,,good luck,,,

    Résumé / Abstract
    The authors treated 135 men who underwent varicocelectomy, but had sustained Leydig cell dysfunction disclosed by LHRH test with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). hCG was administered for 10 weeks : 50,000 units were given in 10 divided doses intramuscularly. Semen analysis and measurement of serum hormone level were obtained 8 weeks after the completion of treatment, and every 3 months after that. All patients were followed up for 2 years to confirm pregnancy. Fifty-five percent of patients achieved pregnancy and they showed significant increase in sperm density, percentage of sperm motility, normal form sperm, and serum testosterone level. It is recommended that hCG be administered to patients who undergo varicocelectomy but have persistent subtle Leydig cell dysfunction disclosed by LHRH test to stimulate the intratesticular testosterone production.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Varicocelenut View Post
    So your on TRT for life **** that cuz, Do some DD ive never given up i too had the operation to correct my nuts my test is **** but i know i can up my test levels with nolva or hcg i have proof of blood tests but not done anything since op its been 8 weeks now, Look at the proof you can be a real man without TRT i am going to do this in the next few weeks my test levels now ar 8.9nmol my sex drive is ****ed and my hard on is more like a floppy sasauge i am never going to give up no way i want my **** hard by natral means cuz, even if it kills me i have wood when im buried,,,,,good luck,,,

    Résumé / Abstract
    The authors treated 135 men who underwent varicocelectomy, but had sustained Leydig cell dysfunction disclosed by LHRH test with human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). hCG was administered for 10 weeks : 50,000 units were given in 10 divided doses intramuscularly. Semen analysis and measurement of serum hormone level were obtained 8 weeks after the completion of treatment, and every 3 months after that. All patients were followed up for 2 years to confirm pregnancy. Fifty-five percent of patients achieved pregnancy and they showed significant increase in sperm density, percentage of sperm motility, normal form sperm, and serum testosterone level. It is recommended that hCG be administered to patients who undergo varicocelectomy but have persistent subtle Leydig cell dysfunction disclosed by LHRH test to stimulate the intratesticular testosterone production.
    I fell a million times better on TRT. I never have to worry about ups and downs again. I just had to face reality and My HPTA was not going to recover. Just so you know, HCG IS NOT natural and will cause HPTA shutdown and if you are doing HCG then you mind as well go on TRT. I would rather stay on TRT then try to swim up stream with Nolva and trash my liver.

  7. You did not read the post properly its a 10 week course = no more test , Well good luck on your test for the rest of your life how big are your nutz now ? what you going to do when they get to peanut size ? Dont give up cuz ,I have a tone of sustanol the doc gives me every month and ive take none of it last resort or worst case sinario and my balls get too big they go bang ;-))))))))))))))

  8. Sonthink i picked up from another board docs are trying to get this guys nut working again using hcg,

    madwabbit
    New Member Join Date: Aug 2007
    Posts: 12


    Doc tested LH, FLH, Prolactim, HGH, etc and its all normal. For some reason, the test in my body is still low...since im so young hes trying HCG to "boost" my test a while, then slowly bring me off HCG and see if body backs it back up and kicks in normal. If not, ill go to Test.

    Still didnt mention anything about athletic enhancement? Maybe I should take Nolva then with this for gyno?

  9. In my opinion Anti-depresants are the worst drugs in the world. Whether its a dopamine agonist or an SSRI, they are just not something I think that helps anyone. They do more harm than good.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Varicocelenut View Post
    You did not read the post properly its a 10 week course = no more test , Well good luck on your test for the rest of your life how big are your nutz now ? what you going to do when they get to peanut size ? Dont give up cuz ,I have a tone of sustanol the doc gives me every month and ive take none of it last resort or worst case sinario and my balls get too big they go bang ;-))))))))))))))
    I don't mind small nuts that much because I've got a Vasectomy anyway and who cares how big my nuts are because my d*** is big thanks to TRT. So, I look at it like this
    TRT= little nuts, big d*** for life
    No TRT=bigger nuts, shrunken d***for life
    which do you think would be the best choice
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Varicocelenut View Post
    Sonthink i picked up from another board docs are trying to get this guys nut working again using hcg,

    madwabbit
    New Member Join Date: Aug 2007
    Posts: 12


    Doc tested LH, FLH, Prolactim, HGH, etc and its all normal. For some reason, the test in my body is still low...since im so young hes trying HCG to "boost" my test a while, then slowly bring me off HCG and see if body backs it back up and kicks in normal. If not, ill go to Test.

    Still didnt mention anything about athletic enhancement? Maybe I should take Nolva then with this for gyno?
    I would go with Arimidex for gyno
  12. Talking


    Big **** and big ball bro , I want to be a full man , Good luck,,

  13. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    In my opinion Anti-depresants are the worst drugs in the world. Whether its a dopamine agonist or an SSRI, they are just not something I think that helps anyone. They do more harm than good.
    You are right. I started this thread because I have heard many good things about Wellbutrin. I will just stick to L-Tyrosine for dopamine support.
  14. T-bone


    Are you a diagosed depressed person, do you have major depression and bi-polar. If not what the f#ck do you know. Please tell me your information in regards to anti-dep. meds being the worst thing in the world isnt from tv news and newpapers.

    If so, well you must hate TRT treatment and be against it 100%. Most tv, newpaper, magazines, and new shows (60 minutes, 20/20) slam TRT treatment.

    I went off meds and almost commited suicide and or hospitalized to protect me from killing myself. My sister was forced of from her anti-dep. because she lost he insurance and it took the govn. 2 months to give her the ok to get them thru the state as long as she participated in organized dep. meetings. Well 3 days before sh got her pills she blew her head off. So, unless you take the meds and are diagnosed with major dep. and or bi-polar shut the f@ck up.

    Your OTC stuff might be ok for people who feel blue from time to time but supplements are just that supplements.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by corndog View Post
    Are you a diagosed depressed person, do you have major depression and bi-polar. If not what the f#ck do you know. Please tell me your information in regards to anti-dep. meds being the worst thing in the world isnt from tv news and newpapers.

    If so, well you must hate TRT treatment and be against it 100%. Most tv, newpaper, magazines, and new shows (60 minutes, 20/20) slam TRT treatment.

    I went off meds and almost commited suicide and or hospitalized to protect me from killing myself. My sister was forced of from her anti-dep. because she lost he insurance and it took the govn. 2 months to give her the ok to get them thru the state as long as she participated in organized dep. meetings. Well 3 days before sh got her pills she blew her head off. So, unless you take the meds and are diagnosed with major dep. and or bi-polar shut the f@ck up.

    Your OTC stuff might be ok for people who feel blue from time to time but supplements are just that supplements.
    Hey bro no need to get all butt hurt at t-bone. He was just giving his opinion and was not personally attacking you.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by corndog View Post
    Are you a diagosed depressed person, do you have major depression and bi-polar. If not what the f#ck do you know. Please tell me your information in regards to anti-dep. meds being the worst thing in the world isnt from tv news and newpapers.

    If so, well you must hate TRT treatment and be against it 100%. Most tv, newpaper, magazines, and new shows (60 minutes, 20/20) slam TRT treatment.

    I went off meds and almost commited suicide and or hospitalized to protect me from killing myself. My sister was forced of from her anti-dep. because she lost he insurance and it took the govn. 2 months to give her the ok to get them thru the state as long as she participated in organized dep. meetings. Well 3 days before sh got her pills she blew her head off. So, unless you take the meds and are diagnosed with major dep. and or bi-polar shut the f@ck up.

    Your OTC stuff might be ok for people who feel blue from time to time but supplements are just that supplements.
    Im sorry to hear about your losses, and your own troubles. I too have been on anti-d's, including lexapro and wellbutrin, thus my replies earlier in the thread.
    and just because something is OTC doesn't mean its worse or less effective, so stop your own biases. Of course anti-d's have their place...the question is whether they are actually addressing the CAUSE of the problem or just an effective bandaid. I lean towards the latter...but that doesnt mean that in the real circumstances of life they might not be the BEST THING for the individual at this present moment.

  17. This is the same problem I have. Subtype of Dysthymia. To know for sure how a particular anti-depressant works on someone I think you really just have to try it. I have tried WB and Effexor. Effexor came the closest but anything SSRI related makes me too sleepy. Anything above 75mg and I didnt feel well. Wellbutrin didnt seem to do anything for me. I hate the feeling these drugs give me though so I try to use exercise and other supplements (coffee, dl-phenylalanine , tyrosine) to keep myself boosted and motivated. Problem with most AD's are they are Serotonin based and I think most people with dysthmia type symptoms need more of a norephenephrine and dopamine boost. The best non-pharmaceutical thing I've found hands down is exercise since it boosts your adrenaline, dopamine and other hormones. Especially weight lifting.

    Also, I wouldnt label anything below helpful unless you need it. I think that's implied here but you can make yourself worse by taking stuff just because you read it's good and most people are low in it, etc. Dhea isnt helpful if your levels are high. (mine) Guess what people always told me I should be taking first w/o even being tested? DHEA! Pregnenolone isn't helpful if you have high progesterone levels. I tended to be a guinea pig to myself in the past but most only made myself worse. I dont think you can treat anything if you dont test to know where you're at. Other than that your just guessing and wasting money. It's amazing how wrong I end up being when I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Atypical depression is EXTREMELY complicated. Some things that help:

    Wellbutrin/Tyrosine combo...to support health Dopaminergic function

    TRT/DHEA/Pregnenolone/6-OXO...to support "healthy" hormone levels.

    Thyroid support...to ensure energy usage is abundant and fatigue does not disable your ability to function

    Something like ZMT with melatonin...to support healthy serotonin levels, crucial minerals, and provide for sounds sleep.

    Adreneric support (support health adrenaline/noradrenaline function)

    Thought process manipulation/control/visualization

    EDIT: Forgot cortisol control

  18. DLPA is fantastic stuff, as is inositol and SAMe.
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  19. Corndog,

    You switched from generic thyroid to armour you mean? I am going to give thyroid another try but using non-generic armour so I'm very curious about this.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by corndog
    August 11

    Started IM test-e & switched to Armour Thyroid = best I felt in years.

    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Hence why I recommended strong hormone and thyroid support.

  20. Does everyone believe this? I keep hearing this said yet I have never read anywhere that that's the case.

    I don't think that's the case at all especially if your taking hcg but would love to hear opinions based on research and facts. Would especially love to get Dr. Delgado's take on it.


    So your on TRT for life

  21. Aculpep - Glad to hear that the test and Armour has changed your life for the better. Dont fall into the mindset that I did in that holy sh!t I am cured. Just as I was getting so used to feeling good and loving how I was feeling I got another head f-up.

    Mine started with anger and a temper issue. It is slowly working torward the depression feeling that overwelms me so that getting out of bed is difficult. I would rather have broken bones or physical pain that this. I can deal with pain but this head sh!t takes over and no matter what people say you cant just turn it off and say Im happy and feel great. I wish but it doesnt work that way. So, anyway Im all over the palce here, yes I got my Dr. to switch me from generic Armour (called THYROID) to Armour Brand.

    Keep up with your head meds and together with the test and Armour I think you will see a improvment in both your head and feeling healthy.

    Good luck
  

  
 

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