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    HEMOGLOBIN ALc 5.0 Range:<6 =non-diabetic

    PROLACTIN 10.1 Range:2-18.0

    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583 Range:241-827

    LUTEINIZING HORMONE 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3

    FSH 1.8 Range:1.6-8.0

    GLUCOSE (FASTING) 93 Range:65-99

    THYROXINE-FREE 1.2 Range:0.8-1.8

    URIC ACID 4.5 Range:4.0-8.0

    MEAN PLASMA GLUCOSE 101 Range: ??? doesn't give one

    WHITE CELL COUNT 4.2 Range:3.8-10.8

    RED CELL COUNT 5.71 Range:4.20-5.80

    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1

    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50

    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    CHOLESTEROL 202 Range:125-200

    TRIGLYCERIDES 112 Range:<150

    VLDL CHOLESTEROL 22 Range:5-35

    LDL CHOLESTEROL 128 Range:<130

    HDL CHOLESTEROL 52 Range:>40

    CHOLESTEROL/HDL RATIO 3.9 Range:<=5.0

    FOLATE, SERUM 23.9 Range:normal is >5.4

    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN <0.1 Range:<0.8

    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510

    INSULIN 6 Range:<17

    LIPOPROTEIN (a) 24 Range:<75

    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420

    PROGESTERONE 0.5 Range:0.6-2.6

    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0

    T3 REVERSE .27 Range:.11-.32

    ESTROGENS, FRACTIONATED, SERUM
    *ESTRONE 98 Range:< or =68
    *ESTRADIOL,SERUM 21 Range:< or =29
    *ESTRIOL,SERUM <.10 Range:.2 or less

    IGF-1 526 Range:126-382

    CORTISOL BINDING GLOBULIN 44 Range:19-45

    THYROID PEROXIDASE Ab 16 Range:<35

    THYROGLOBULIN ABS <20 Range:<20

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38 Range:7-44

    LDH (Liver) 154 Range:100-250

    ESTRADIOL 40 Range:13-54

    ALDOSTERONE 5 RANGE: <=28 that range is off..very off

    CORTISOL,SERUM:6 RANGE:5-21

    DHT:40 RANGE:25-75

    COPPER:777 RANGE:590-1180


    EDIT: dr.mariano was very well informed and knowledgable..he says the reason why my sugar and gluten cravings won't go away, judging from my blood tests, is because my adrenals are shot to hell. he says i also had a pre-exisitng thyroid condition and the stress just brought it out,which would explain my low body temperature. he has me on t4, hydrocortisone, dhea, pregneolone, iodoral (iodine)..when I told him I never salted my food my whole life, and judging by my low thyroid output, he suggested iodine. i am getting a urine iodine test to confirm suspicion as well as pregnenolone levels, vitamin a for possible deficiency due to my rough, bumpy skin..has me on chromium picolinate to control cravings...l-theanine before bedtime to calm me down. I have learned melatonin also stresses out the adrenals even more, so I won't be taking much of that anymore.

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    Looking at results your progesterone, dhea e2 and shbg first thing to pop out at me, These will result in low free testosterone levels as well as low BAT levels which could explain your memory and energy problems, immune problems. Progesterone is low probably from counter balancing the estrogens. elevated hemo and crit dueto possible dehydration from lack of aldosterone (pending). If reverse t-3 comes back high and ratio to: rt3:t3 is greater then 10:1 then t-3 supplemetation would be needed to drive down the reverse t-3. Zinc also would help here as well, but estrogen will displace zinc and increase rt3. it was not untill I driove down e2 that rt3 went down despite t-3 supplementation.

    REcommendation
    1. fastest way .25 mgs liquidex every 3 days to control e2 retest in 4 weeks
    2. pregenlone creame 100mgs a day transdremal (this will help open up detoxifcation pathways as well in cytochrome p450 which will also help imporve memory and to balance other hormones also increase dhea as well
    3. if homocystein level comes back low less then 5 (uric acid is low and this goes hand and hand with homocystein levels) then b-12, and folate are no being converted to proper form in CNS add in 5,000 mgs methycobalin with 8.000 folininc acid, 1000 mgs TMG will raise this up and allow yourbody to beable to detoxifiy candida if it is there.
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    jansz we need some help here bro ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    HEMOGLOBIN ALc 5.0 Range:<6 =non-diabetic

    PROLACTIN 10.1 Range:2-18.0

    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583 Range:241-827

    LUTEINIZING HORMONE 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3

    FSH 1.8 Range:1.6-8.0

    GLUCOSE (FASTING) 93 Range:65-99

    THYROXINE-FREE 1.2 Range:0.8-1.8

    URIC ACID 4.5 Range:4.0-8.0

    MEAN PLASMA GLUCOSE 101 Range: ??? doesn't give one

    WHITE CELL COUNT 4.2 Range:3.8-10.8

    RED CELL COUNT 5.71 Range:4.20-5.80

    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1

    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50

    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    CHOLESTEROL 202 Range:125-200

    TRIGLYCERIDES 112 Range:<150

    VLDL CHOLESTEROL 22 Range:5-35

    LDL CHOLESTEROL 128 Range:<130

    HDL CHOLESTEROL 52 Range:>40

    CHOLESTEROL/HDL RATIO 3.9 Range:<=5.0

    FOLATE, SERUM 23.9 Range:normal is >5.4

    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN <0.1 Range:<0.8

    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510

    INSULIN 6 Range:<17

    LIPOPROTEIN (a) 24 Range:<75

    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420

    PROGESTERONE 0.5 Range:0.6-2.6

    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0

    T3 REVERSE PENDING

    ESTROGENS, FRACTIONATED, SERUM PENDING

    IGF-1 PENDING

    CORTISOL BINDING GLOBULIN PENDING

    THYROID PEROXIDASE Ab 16 Range:<35

    THYROGLOBULIN ABS <20 Range:<20

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38 Range:7-44

    LDH (Liver) 154 Range:100-250

    ESTRADIOL 40 Range:13-54

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    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583
    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38
    LH 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3
    FSH 1.8
    PROLACTIN 10.1 (keep watching it or use Vitex)

    Get 100mg/week Tcypionate (possibly higher due to high SHBG), 250IU HCG
    E2D dosing, subQ
    6 weeks latter do (Free Bioavailable and TotalT) at Quest
    and adjust dose so either Free or BAT is at the top range

    get compounded chrysin cream to lower SHBG
    if not, use LEF,
    SUPER MIRAFORTE W/MAX STRENGTHCHRYSIN 120 CAPS
    and
    ADVANCED NATURAL PROSTATE FORMULA W/5-LOXIN 60 SOFTGELS

    You may want to not to use testosterone at first, only HCG, your testis may give you enough (may not).
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    ESTRADIOL 40
    This test looks like the right test.
    But get the other E's tested
    Or just use
    6 pills of LEF DualAction and 2 pills of TMG
    retest in 2 months, if high add Arimidex or liquiDex
    (25units on insuline syringe with cut off needle)=1/4 pill
    use EOD
    then test again

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    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1
    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50
    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    You may need to let some blood and or look for more info
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    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510
    get script for pregnenolone cream 100mg/1gram compounded
    use 1gram/day
    retest in 2 months, if still low add DHEA compounded cream
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    abusing an ECA stack

    not sure how that screweed you up
    dont do it
    how about CLA?
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    Candida (or not)

    use lot of LEF Primordial Defence
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    depression

    recheck that after you have your tesosterone levels about (0.7 to 1.2) of desired level for about 3 months
    elevated T (but not to much) did wonders for my depression
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    constipated
    rice bran works for me
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    I did a search for LEF Primordial Defence..Is LEF the manufacturer and Primordial Defence the name fo the product>? because I can't find it using Google
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    I did a search for LEF Primordial Defence..Is LEF the manufacturer and Primordial Defence the name fo the product>? because I can't find it using Google
    http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00571.html

    http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00359.html

    http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00615.html

    http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00969.html

    http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00975.html
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    Get some liquidex and start out with .25 EOD for 2 weeks when feeling better DO NOT TAKE MORE.. More is not better. You have never had a morning erection all your life tells me that you had high levels to begin with and as proggrmmer will tell you that you are not alone out there. He was also lead to years of antidepressants and all kinds of miss information it was not untill he had his estrogen levels checked that the imbalance was found. SO just hang in there and go with what is known Estrogen imbalance is evident
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    Ok here is my take on this and it's simple.
    Your Total T is 583 noraml for a man 55 to 64 yrs old.
    Sorry Dr. John I know you don't like this site.

    You LH at 2.9 and FSH at 1.8 with your Estradiol at 40 here is what I feel is happening.

    Your brain can't tell the difference between Testosterone and Estradiol so it thinks your higher Estradiol is Testosterone and is not sending enough of the LH and FSH messages to your testis to make more testosterone. And it is messing with your hormone levels like your low Prolactin and Progesterone.
    I have seen these come up just getting Estradiol down also your SHBG can come down freeing up your Free T levels just getting your Estradiol down.

    I am not going to tell you how to get your Estradiol down I will leave this to your friend Hardasnails he knows. I don't want to start anything here any more then I just did.

    I you try this it can bring up your Thyroid back if it's off and your cortisol levels. Your Testosterone can go up past 700.

    I need to know what supplements your on and meds. I pray you don't do SOY.

    So if I were you I would try getting your Estradiol down first then see how you feel and retest. Your diet has messed up your bodys hormone rhythm and you may need to watch this for some time until it gets back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    HEMOGLOBIN ALc 5.0 Range:<6 =non-diabetic

    PROLACTIN 10.1 Range:2-18.0

    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583 Range:241-827

    LUTEINIZING HORMONE 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3

    FSH 1.8 Range:1.6-8.0

    GLUCOSE (FASTING) 93 Range:65-99

    THYROXINE-FREE 1.2 Range:0.8-1.8

    URIC ACID 4.5 Range:4.0-8.0

    MEAN PLASMA GLUCOSE 101 Range: ??? doesn't give one

    WHITE CELL COUNT 4.2 Range:3.8-10.8

    RED CELL COUNT 5.71 Range:4.20-5.80

    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1

    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50

    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    CHOLESTEROL 202 Range:125-200

    TRIGLYCERIDES 112 Range:<150

    VLDL CHOLESTEROL 22 Range:5-35

    LDL CHOLESTEROL 128 Range:<130

    HDL CHOLESTEROL 52 Range:>40

    CHOLESTEROL/HDL RATIO 3.9 Range:<=5.0

    FOLATE, SERUM 23.9 Range:normal is >5.4

    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN <0.1 Range:<0.8

    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510

    INSULIN 6 Range:<17

    LIPOPROTEIN (a) 24 Range:<75

    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420

    PROGESTERONE 0.5 Range:0.6-2.6

    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0

    T3 REVERSE PENDING

    ESTROGENS, FRACTIONATED, SERUM PENDING

    IGF-1 PENDING

    CORTISOL BINDING GLOBULIN PENDING

    THYROID PEROXIDASE Ab 16 Range:<35

    THYROGLOBULIN ABS <20 Range:<20

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38 Range:7-44

    LDH (Liver) 154 Range:100-250

    ESTRADIOL 40 Range:13-54

    You should get a repeat of your Hgb and Hct. They are elevated. It may just be that you were fluid-depleted when the blood was drawn. Before you have blood drawn the next time, drink a big glass of water about 45 min. before you have the blood drawn.

    If Hgb and Hct still come back high, you may not be a candidate for TRT AT THIS TIME. That does not mean that you will never be a candidate, but I suspect a doc would be leary of starting someone with elevated Hgb and Hct on TRT.


    You might need to get those values down first - by donating blood or by gettng a therapeutic phlebotomy, or maybe by just waiting awhile.
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    pmgamer I am not on any meds or supplements..just food and water
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    pmgamer I am not on any meds or supplements..just food and water
    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1
    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50
    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100


    listen to cpeil2, first figure this one out,
    then may be TRT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1
    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50
    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100


    listen to cpeil2, first figure this one out,
    then may be TRT.
    Consider he was a human pin cushion for 1/2 hour i say he was laitle dehydrated LOL plus having adrenal imbalances possible ..he did not drink any water before the test
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    pmgamer I am not on any meds or supplements..just food and water
    Then all you need to do is get on something to get your estradiol down and see it you feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    Then all you need to do is get on something to get your estradiol down and see it you feel better.
    You need to do this carefully because more is never better ..I know people get ramey and it will take a week or 2 to really peak in your system and once at optimal level then your e2 will lower your boners will come back and you will have enregy to goto the gym and loose weight. then over time you may be able to lean off the armidex as body fat comes down and aromtase is decreased..Ksman and programmer can elaborate on how important itis to have proper e2 levels or other wise you can not function
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    Just stick to what you are doing with diet and the cocconut oil, you can also add in organic butter as well because it has different types of fats that help rid virus and infections. Blood reports look very good except the e2 and i can bank the esterone going to be up to which is also feeding estrogen imbalance causing progesterone to drop or be diverted to specific pathway. Controlling e2 with armidex will increase free testosterone and will decrease e2 and possible esterones. Before going hog while on DIM we need to get in 2 into check and see where your e1 levels is. Bring down your e2 should also reduce your rt3 which could be elevated and free up receptors sites in the hypothalamus and adrenals.. Bascailly e2 and e1 can jam up your whole endocrine system as well as clogging receptors so bioavailable hormones can not attach causing cellular deficeincy vs false positive blood serums..like my probably it has been from the start at tissue levels not in the blood mainly clogged receptors sites
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    HEMOGLOBIN ALc 5.0 Range:<6 =non-diabetic

    PROLACTIN 10.1 Range:2-18.0

    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583 Range:241-827

    LUTEINIZING HORMONE 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3

    FSH 1.8 Range:1.6-8.0

    GLUCOSE (FASTING) 93 Range:65-99

    THYROXINE-FREE 1.2 Range:0.8-1.8

    URIC ACID 4.5 Range:4.0-8.0

    MEAN PLASMA GLUCOSE 101 Range: ??? doesn't give one

    WHITE CELL COUNT 4.2 Range:3.8-10.8

    RED CELL COUNT 5.71 Range:4.20-5.80

    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1

    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50

    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    CHOLESTEROL 202 Range:125-200

    TRIGLYCERIDES 112 Range:<150

    VLDL CHOLESTEROL 22 Range:5-35

    LDL CHOLESTEROL 128 Range:<130

    HDL CHOLESTEROL 52 Range:>40

    CHOLESTEROL/HDL RATIO 3.9 Range:<=5.0

    FOLATE, SERUM 23.9 Range:normal is >5.4

    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN <0.1 Range:<0.8

    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510

    INSULIN 6 Range:<17

    LIPOPROTEIN (a) 24 Range:<75

    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420

    PROGESTERONE 0.5 Range:0.6-2.6

    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0

    T3 REVERSE PENDING

    ESTROGENS, FRACTIONATED, SERUM PENDING

    IGF-1 PENDING

    CORTISOL BINDING GLOBULIN PENDING

    THYROID PEROXIDASE Ab 16 Range:<35

    THYROGLOBULIN ABS <20 Range:<20

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38 Range:7-44

    LDH (Liver) 154 Range:100-250

    ESTRADIOL 40 Range:13-54

    Total T isn't optimal... but isn't low either (many guys go onto HRT just to get up into the high 500s - low 600s... though IMO, I would call those levels optimal - but sometimes they can be if one has, like myself, a very high Free T Percentage level). No Free T or Bioavailable T tests done I presume?

    Your H&H levels are both high... and chances are going on HRT (raising Test levels in any form) is going to increase those. I know Dr C doesn't continue TRT when hematocrit is above 55 and also if hemoglobin levels are high (but don't recall exact number off hand). Would need to definitely consider going on a steady "every 8 weeks" of blood donation regimen. Also, hematocrit is specifically higher than your regular normal if you are dehydrated (in fact, it is the leading cause of temporary elevated hematocrit) so if you were somewhat dehydrated when you took the test, that might have accounted for it also (but then in your case hemaglobin levels were high also).

    Additionally, your B12 levels are well above the top end of the range (VITAMIN B-12: 1642 - Range:200-1100). Do you supplement B12 at all (maybe like in injection or large doses sublingually)? If so, you might want to consider stopping it or dropping dosage way down. I am just going by memory here, but "believe" that B12 supplementation above deficiency levels can also cause higher levels of hematocrit.

    Also, did you have blood tests done early morning? (I am assuming so, like around 8 AM as it was probably a fasting test???) Cortisol shown levels are borderline high, but then they are supposed to be at their peak in early morning hours (6 AM - 10 AM period). Something to maybe keep an eye on though. If possible to do a follow-up test at some point and can do it later in the day (lake mid to late afternoon), see what blood cortisol levels are then.

    I would be very cautious with TRT at this point - if any - until further work up is done. Might turn out that Free T or Bioavailable T levels are VG - Excellent (and they're the ones that really count anyway).... but I seriously doubt that will be the case anyway as SHBG levels are so high (nettle root EXTRACT can do wonders in helping reduce SHBG levels quite drastically, BTW... root, not the leaves). Anyway, I would look at something like 40 mg of Test Cyp a week - or one 5 gram packet of AndroGel if one would prefer that route -at most (IF IT WAS MY SITUATION)... and the re-test from there with follow-up blood draws in about a month. (And include some of the other mentioned tests!)... and be especially careful about checking the H&H levels.

    E2 (was it the regular test or the sensitive assay test?) isn't "elevated" (as in above normal ranges... but isn't in optimal ranges either. Knowing what Total Estrogen levels are would be helpful. TMG helps metabolize E2 (and estrogens in general) out of the blood stream faster, so that might help to a limited degree. Some guys have reported almost pharmaceutical-like effects from DIM, but I tried every brand out there and some at double and triple doses - and at best had my E2 lowered just a couple points... while Total Estrogens skyrocketed. I know a lot more people who tried DIM and left it than I do that tried it and stayed with it (but then that's just in my own personal experience).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MongolHahn View Post
    Total T isn't optimal... but isn't low either (many guys go onto HRT just to get up into the high 500s - low 600s... though IMO, I would call those levels optimal - but sometimes they can be if one has, like myself, a very high Free T Percentage level). No Free T or Bioavailable T tests done I presume?

    Your H&H levels are both high... and chances are going on HRT (raising Test levels in any form) is going to increase those. I know Dr C doesn't continue TRT when hematocrit is above 55 and also if hemoglobin levels are high (but don't recall exact number off hand). Would need to definitely consider going on a steady "every 8 weeks" of blood donation regimen. Also, hematocrit is specifically higher than your regular normal if you are dehydrated (in fact, it is the leading cause of temporary elevated hematocrit) so if you were somewhat dehydrated when you took the test, that might have accounted for it also (but then in your case hemaglobin levels were high also).

    Additionally, your B12 levels are well above the top end of the range (VITAMIN B-12: 1642 - Range:200-1100). Do you supplement B12 at all (maybe like in injection or large doses sublingually)? If so, you might want to consider stopping it or dropping dosage way down. I am just going by memory here, but "believe" that B12 supplementation above deficiency levels can also cause higher levels of hematocrit.

    Also, did you have blood tests done early morning? (I am assuming so, like around 8 AM as it was probably a fasting test???) Cortisol shown levels are borderline high, but then they are supposed to be at their peak in early morning hours (6 AM - 10 AM period). Something to maybe keep an eye on though. If possible to do a follow-up test at some point and can do it later in the day (lake mid to late afternoon), see what blood cortisol levels are then.

    I would be very cautious with TRT at this point - if any - until further work up is done. Might turn out that Free T or Bioavailable T levels are VG - Excellent (and they're the ones that really count anyway).... but I seriously doubt that will be the case anyway as SHBG levels are so high (nettle root EXTRACT can do wonders in helping reduce SHBG levels quite drastically, BTW... root, not the leaves). Anyway, I would look at something like 40 mg of Test Cyp a week - or one 5 gram packet of AndroGel if one would prefer that route -at most (IF IT WAS MY SITUATION)... and the re-test from there with follow-up blood draws in about a month. (And include some of the other mentioned tests!)... and be especially careful about checking the H&H levels.

    E2 (was it the regular test or the sensitive assay test?) isn't "elevated" (as in above normal ranges... but isn't in optimal ranges either. Knowing what Total Estrogen levels are would be helpful. TMG helps metabolize E2 (and estrogens in general) out of the blood stream faster, so that might help to a limited degree. Some guys have reported almost pharmaceutical-like effects from DIM, but I tried every brand out there and some at double and triple doses - and at best had my E2 lowered just a couple points... while Total Estrogens skyrocketed. I know a lot more people who tried DIM and left it than I do that tried it and stayed with it (but then that's just in my own personal experience).
    I agree 100% about controlling shbg and getting e2 down is priority. I tend to think some degree he was dehydrated when giving blood probably made it difficult to find the veins due to lack of water in body. He ordered the antiestrogen and hes going to start with very conservative dosages and since dr mariano is only 2 hours from him I suggest that he go see him because of his complex immune and hormonal issues, and he already has confirmed this is last dr he will see and I told him as hope other agrees he is one of the best in the field and needs to find the imbalances and correct them. Candida may be a player in this but i think its more estrogens which is causing cytokines imbalnaces which remain to be discovered..I recommened seeing dr mariano and at this point he would be best he could do. All the other tests are still pending there are alot of them still to come to shed more light on things.

    You mentionesd nettle roots how successful was this at lowering your shbg? What was the dosage and what was the stanfarization of the herb ?and do you have lab test to back it verify this?
    My free tee is good my bioavaible sucks if i could get bioavailable up then I could reduce dosage on testosterone then to may be 40 mgs every 3 days vs 50..
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    Just getting E2 down in most men will bring down SHBG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmgamer18 View Post
    Just getting E2 down in most men will bring down SHBG.
    Is it possible to have low e2 with high esterone ? esterone comes from e2 does it not according to cascade of hormones ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MongolHahn View Post
    Total T isn't optimal... but isn't low either (many guys go onto HRT just to get up into the high 500s - low 600s... though IMO, I would call those levels optimal - but sometimes they can be if one has, like myself, a very high Free T Percentage level). No Free T or Bioavailable T tests done I presume?

    Your H&H levels are both high... and chances are going on HRT (raising Test levels in any form) is going to increase those. I know Dr C doesn't continue TRT when hematocrit is above 55 and also if hemoglobin levels are high (but don't recall exact number off hand). Would need to definitely consider going on a steady "every 8 weeks" of blood donation regimen. Also, hematocrit is specifically higher than your regular normal if you are dehydrated (in fact, it is the leading cause of temporary elevated hematocrit) so if you were somewhat dehydrated when you took the test, that might have accounted for it also (but then in your case hemaglobin levels were high also).

    Additionally, your B12 levels are well above the top end of the range (VITAMIN B-12: 1642 - Range:200-1100). Do you supplement B12 at all (maybe like in injection or large doses sublingually)? If so, you might want to consider stopping it or dropping dosage way down. I am just going by memory here, but "believe" that B12 supplementation above deficiency levels can also cause higher levels of hematocrit.

    Also, did you have blood tests done early morning? (I am assuming so, like around 8 AM as it was probably a fasting test???) Cortisol shown levels are borderline high, but then they are supposed to be at their peak in early morning hours (6 AM - 10 AM period). Something to maybe keep an eye on though. If possible to do a follow-up test at some point and can do it later in the day (lake mid to late afternoon), see what blood cortisol levels are then.

    I would be very cautious with TRT at this point - if any - until further work up is done. Might turn out that Free T or Bioavailable T levels are VG - Excellent (and they're the ones that really count anyway).... but I seriously doubt that will be the case anyway as SHBG levels are so high (nettle root EXTRACT can do wonders in helping reduce SHBG levels quite drastically, BTW... root, not the leaves). Anyway, I would look at something like 40 mg of Test Cyp a week - or one 5 gram packet of AndroGel if one would prefer that route -at most (IF IT WAS MY SITUATION)... and the re-test from there with follow-up blood draws in about a month. (And include some of the other mentioned tests!)... and be especially careful about checking the H&H levels.

    E2 (was it the regular test or the sensitive assay test?) isn't "elevated" (as in above normal ranges... but isn't in optimal ranges either. Knowing what Total Estrogen levels are would be helpful. TMG helps metabolize E2 (and estrogens in general) out of the blood stream faster, so that might help to a limited degree. Some guys have reported almost pharmaceutical-like effects from DIM, but I tried every brand out there and some at double and triple doses - and at best had my E2 lowered just a couple points... while Total Estrogens skyrocketed. I know a lot more people who tried DIM and left it than I do that tried it and stayed with it (but then that's just in my own personal experience).
    If one have a working testis, want to use partial testosterone supplementation and want to relay on testis to provide as much as they can, it is of paramount importance to use HCG.
    I would say as often as possible, at least EOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Is it possible to have low e2 with high esterone ? esterone comes from e2 does it not according to cascade of hormones ?
    We have tested E's every way you can and tried a mess of things to control them. Labs are not much help doing testing for women on us men. Total E is a women's test as are the others. The only test I know of for men is an E2 test for men.

    At the time we were doing this I was doing labs every 4 weeks and each lab that come back for Total E was different and to dam high. Yet my E2 was good and I felt good. So I don't put much into labs other then E2 for men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    got an appt with Dr.Mariano in Monterey a week from now...
    Now we are cooking.
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    i hope he works some magic because if nothing comes out of that meeting..I swear to God I am gonna blow my ****in brains out...i can't stand being sick anymore
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    i hope he works some magic because if nothing comes out of that meeting..I swear to God I am gonna blow my ****in brains out...i can't stand being sick anymore
    Even before you get to Dr Marianco

    Have you took any action on advice you have got so far on this thread?

    Talking helps gather information
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    you need to take action.

    Blood Results In..HELP NEEDED!!!
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    waiting on liquidex in mail....i have tried sticking to candida diet, but i just can't..i don't have the willpower to do anything anymore. Before I got sick I came off a very depressing year at college which drained me of everything I had. That's why I can't stick to the diet. I last about a week and then the stomach and headaches hit and I am not strong enough to give in. I know youi recommended a bunch of products, but I am really hesitant because I don't have money to just spend especially when I know how much Dr.Mariano will cost me. Has anyone though that maybe a candida or yeast infection is at the bottom of all of our symptoms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    waiting on liquidex in mail....i have tried sticking to candida diet, but i just can't..i don't have the willpower to do anything anymore. Before I got sick I came off a very depressing year at college which drained me of everything I had. That's why I can't stick to the diet. I last about a week and then the stomach and headaches hit and I am not strong enough to give in. I know youi recommended a bunch of products, but I am really hesitant because I don't have money to just spend especially when I know how much Dr.Mariano will cost me. Has anyone though that maybe a candida or yeast infection is at the bottom of all of our symptoms?
    I believe you, but life is tough.

    What happened at the college.

    Way back then, my troubles started after I got my masters.
    I ended up being slave (for 3years and 3 months) to the company who paid for my education.

    Long story short, diarreha and stomach cramps for one whole year among other stress, until I got my act together.

    Make sure you get your act together and are able to listen and comply with Dr Marianco's directions.

    You are going to be a new man in no time.
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    When you go see dr mariano best thing for you to do is to DO as he says and DO NOT LISTEN TO ME OR ANY ONE ELSE ON HERE. Its ok to put feedback on the board, but you need to listen to your dr and not second guess him. He is the medical expert

    Some more test results these should really give a nice clincal pics

    reverse t3 .27 (.11-.32)
    estrogen fractioned serum
    esterone 98 <68
    estrodial serum 21 <29
    estriol <.10 .2 or less

    igf-1 526 (126-382)
    cortisol binding glubulin 44 (19-45)TPO 16 <35
    Thyrod AB < 20 <20
    shbg 38 (7-44)
    ldh 154 (100 -250)
    estrodial 40 (13-54)

    Look at the contrase between the e2 serum and estrodial what ahuge difference

    Now i see that why he has been having adrenal problems is because the elevation of the cortisol BG due to the elevations in the estrogen which is basically cloggin up receptors in the endocrine system. Igf-1 is also increased with estrogens as well which as we can see that esterone can theroretically also possible drive up the shbg despiiete having some what a some what elevated e2. Elevation of Igf-1 could also be due to increased glucagon levels and lower insulin levels which could be reflected in his shbg possiblely. Armidex will help bring down the esterone and also estrodial and also lower your shbg little bit as well. Your body seems to be converting to esterone more so then e2 more some reason ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
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    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0
    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510


    Quote:
    "he says the reason why my sugar and gluten cravings won't go away, judging from my blood tests, is because my adrenals are shot to hell."

    Have he had you do some tests other than you posted here?
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    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420


    Quote:
    he has me on t4, hydrocortisone, dhea, pregneolone, iodoral (iodine)..

    Why not Armour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0
    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510


    Quote:
    "he says the reason why my sugar and gluten cravings won't go away, judging from my blood tests, is because my adrenals are shot to hell."

    Have he had you do some tests other than you posted here?
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    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420


    Quote:
    he has me on t4, hydrocortisone, dhea, pregneolone, iodoral (iodine)..

    Why not Armour?
    Body is converting so there is no need for it
    Thyroxine was 1.2 ( .8-1.8) so t4/t3 ratio are perfect
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    Quote Originally Posted by oaktownboy View Post
    HEMOGLOBIN ALc 5.0 Range:<6 =non-diabetic

    PROLACTIN 10.1 Range:2-18.0

    TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 583 Range:241-827

    LUTEINIZING HORMONE 2.9 Range:1.5-9.3

    FSH 1.8 Range:1.6-8.0

    GLUCOSE (FASTING) 93 Range:65-99

    THYROXINE-FREE 1.2 Range:0.8-1.8

    URIC ACID 4.5 Range:4.0-8.0

    MEAN PLASMA GLUCOSE 101 Range: ??? doesn't give one

    WHITE CELL COUNT 4.2 Range:3.8-10.8

    RED CELL COUNT 5.71 Range:4.20-5.80

    HEMOGLOBIN 17.7 Range:13.2-17.1

    HEMATOCRIT 51.6 Range:38.5-50

    VITAMIN B-12 1642 Range:200-1100

    CHOLESTEROL 202 Range:125-200

    TRIGLYCERIDES 112 Range:<150

    VLDL CHOLESTEROL 22 Range:5-35

    LDL CHOLESTEROL 128 Range:<130

    HDL CHOLESTEROL 52 Range:>40

    CHOLESTEROL/HDL RATIO 3.9 Range:<=5.0

    FOLATE, SERUM 23.9 Range:normal is >5.4

    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN <0.1 Range:<0.8

    DHEA-S 172 Range:110-510

    INSULIN 6 Range:<17

    LIPOPROTEIN (a) 24 Range:<75

    FREE T3 360 Range:230-420

    PROGESTERONE 0.5 Range:0.6-2.6

    CORTISOL 21.3 Range:4.0-22.0

    T3 REVERSE .27 Range:.11-.32

    ESTROGENS, FRACTIONATED, SERUM
    *ESTRONE 98 Range:< or =68
    *ESTRADIOL,SERUM 21 Range:< or =29
    *ESTRIOL,SERUM <.10 Range:.2 or less

    IGF-1 526 Range:126-382

    CORTISOL BINDING GLOBULIN 44 Range:19-45

    THYROID PEROXIDASE Ab 16 Range:<35

    THYROGLOBULIN ABS <20 Range:<20

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN 38 Range:7-44

    LDH (Liver) 154 Range:100-250

    ESTRADIOL 40 Range:13-54

    ALDOSTERONE 5 RANGE: <=28 that range is off..very off

    CORTISOL,SERUM:6 RANGE:5-21

    DHT:40 RANGE:25-75

    COPPER:777 RANGE:590-1180


    EDIT: dr.mariano was very well informed and knowledgable..he says the reason why my sugar and gluten cravings won't go away, judging from my blood tests, is because my adrenals are shot to hell. he says i also had a pre-exisitng thyroid condition and the stress just brought it out,which would explain my low body temperature. he has me on t4, hydrocortisone, dhea, pregneolone, iodoral (iodine)..when I told him I never salted my food my whole life, and judging by my low thyroid output, he suggested iodine. i am getting a urine iodine test to confirm suspicion as well as pregnenolone levels, vitamin a for possible deficiency due to my rough, bumpy skin..has me on chromium picolinate to control cravings...l-theanine before bedtime to calm me down. I have learned melatonin also stresses out the adrenals even more, so I won't be taking much of that anymore.
    Aldosterone is very low which could explain alot of fatigue and memory problems and your cortisol serum is WAY FRICKEN LOW. You could try to use pregnenonlone to feed the pathways to see if that helps. Adding mroe salt may be all that is needed as well.
    1/2 tsp in the morning and 1/2 tsp in mid afternnon ought to help but it must be sea salt. You are adrenals are fully blown out as indicated by low dhea, aldosterine, cortisol serum
  

  
 

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