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    I read a book by a very respected international Hormone specialist and he reckons the best transdermal is 10% Gel but applied to the facial areas where blood is nearest surface(ie where people blush) such as forehead, cheeks below eyes but not shaving area and base of neck. He reckons it absorbs better there and 10% gives less estrogen, DHT and gives more even T throughtout 24 hours. Has anyone tried these areas for application with 10% or 5%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Ainslie View Post
    I read a book by a very respected international Hormone specialist and he reckons the best transdermal is 10% Gel but applied to the facial areas where blood is nearest surface(ie where people blush) such as forehead, cheeks below eyes but not shaving area and base of neck. He reckons it absorbs better there and 10% gives less estrogen, DHT and gives more even T throughtout 24 hours. Has anyone tried these areas for application with 10% or 5%?
    Isnt the gel prone to giving one excess hair in the application area...? LOL @ lookin like a werewolf....
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    Quote Originally Posted by christopher View Post
    Isnt the gel prone to giving one excess hair in the application area...? LOL @ lookin like a werewolf....

    I also heard if you rub it on your member that it will grow another 2 inches, i;d be applying it non stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    I also heard if you rub it on your member that it will grow another 2 inches, i;d be applying it non stop.
    that is with dht cream
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    Apparently not if you apply it to areas where hair is not growing



    Quote Originally Posted by christopher View Post
    Isnt the gel prone to giving one excess hair in the application area...? LOL @ lookin like a werewolf....
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    Quote Originally Posted by christopher View Post
    Isnt the gel prone to giving one excess hair in the application area...? LOL @ lookin like a werewolf....
    For 3 years I applied Androgel to my almost hairless sides,
    I do not think I got one extra hair during that time.
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    I used to have much more hairs on my calves,
    lost 90% of them about 15 years ago.
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    Any of this is indicative of something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Estrogen.

    The same thing happens to alcoholics who shunt androstendione to Estrone.

    So, its safe to conclude that DHT is not the only factor in hairloss....Estrogen also plays a critical role...
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JanSz
    I used to have much more hairs on my calves,
    lost 90% of them about 15 years ago.
    --
    Any of this is indicative of something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. John View Post
    Estrogen.

    The same thing happens to alcoholics who shunt androstendione to Estrone.
    What kind estrogen, there are so many of them.
    On my last test I checked those:

    Total Estrogens---260pg/mL (40-115)
    estrone, serum----78pg/mL (12-72)
    Estradiol, sensitive----27pg/mL(3-70)

    Extra tablets of DIM should help estrone, but what to do for TotalEstrogens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by christopher View Post
    So, its safe to conclude that DHT is not the only factor in hairloss....Estrogen also plays a critical role...
    Interesting. Does estrogen play a part in male pattern baldness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JanSz
    I used to have much more hairs on my calves,
    lost 90% of them about 15 years ago.
    --
    Any of this is indicative of something?



    What kind estrogen, there are so many of them.
    On my last test I checked those:

    Total Estrogens---260pg/mL (40-115)
    estrone, serum----78pg/mL (12-72)
    Estradiol, sensitive----27pg/mL(3-70)

    Extra tablets of DIM should help estrone, but what to do for TotalEstrogens?
    Increase methylation of liver and also sulfur oxidation, glucorization would help estrogens ..increae methyl donors TMG, Sam-e,choline, and molybdenum. NASH (fatty liver) will possible also do this as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post
    Increase methylation of liver and also sulfur oxidation, glucorization would help estrogens ..increae methyl donors TMG, Sam-e,choline, and molybdenum. NASH (fatty liver) will possible also do this as well.
    Could you please run this over me again, I am slow today.
    Post product name, number of pills, link to supplier.
    Hope I am not too demanding.
    ============================== ==============
    Currently I am on:
    DIM, 4 pills, 4*14mg=56mg active DIM, or 56/0.25=224mg "crude" DIM
    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules


    TMG (Trimethylglycine, also called Betaine†)- 1000 mg
    Trimethylglycine (TMG)-100 mg

    SAMe 400mg

    Phosphatidylcholine (from soy)-150 mg
    Choline (as choline bitartrate)-120 mg
    Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC)-600 mg
    Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract-150 mg

    Molybdenum (as sodium molybdate)-125 mcg

    I take multitude of supplements from LEF, above is small list of names that you have mentioned.
    ============================== ==============
    Wonder if it is any good;
    To support my liver, 2 weeks ago I started on 3 pills daily of;
    NOW Foods - Liver Detoxifier & Regenerator* (by Dr. C. Samuel Verghese, M.D.) - 90 Caps
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanSz View Post
    Could you please run this over me again, I am slow today.
    Post product name, number of pills, link to supplier.
    Hope I am not too demanding.
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    Currently I am on:
    DIM, 4 pills, 4*14mg=56mg active DIM, or 56/0.25=224mg "crude" DIM
    Dual-Action Cruciferous Vegetable Extract With Resveratrol & Cat's Claw, 60 Vegetarian Capsules


    TMG (Trimethylglycine, also called Betaine†)- 1000 mg
    Trimethylglycine (TMG)-100 mg

    SAMe 400mg

    Phosphatidylcholine (from soy)-150 mg
    Choline (as choline bitartrate)-120 mg
    Alpha-Glyceryl Phosphoryl Choline (A-GPC)-600 mg
    Phosphatidylcholine-Grape Seed Extract-150 mg

    Molybdenum (as sodium molybdate)-125 mcg

    I take multitude of supplements from LEF, above is small list of names that you have mentioned.
    ============================== ==============
    Wonder if it is any good;
    To support my liver, 2 weeks ago I started on 3 pills daily of;
    NOW Foods - Liver Detoxifier & Regenerator* (by Dr. C. Samuel Verghese, M.D.) - 90 Caps
    Before supplementing you should have a 24 hour urine estrogen test done good:bad ratio. This would establish a basis for further supplementation. Also check homocysine uric acid, copper serums, shbg,and possible urine amino acid test (to see where your imbalance is in homocystein pathway)

    My test results indicated
    low normal copper serum
    low normal copper ceruoplasm
    Low normal uric acid -low moly, copper toxcity (binding in the liver)
    low homocysteine - methyation need to detoxify estrogens
    shbg levels doubled from basline 17 to 39 - cortisol estrogen increaes shbg, dhea decreases it
    elevated taurine urine - moly deficeincy in proper sulfur oxidation
    elevated sarcosine - b2, folonic acid deficiency
    low gaba - zinc, P5P, deficiency, elevated estrogen lowers gaba
    low 5hiaa - low serotnin due to undermethyation
    elevated histmaines - low methytator , possible estrogen driven, possible dybiosis (ecoli, proteus, ect)
    elevatd rt3 - intedstinal infections, estrogen domaince, prolonged cortisol (adrenal imbalance)
    Estrogen domaince possible - Boobs swollen, bad joint pain, no morning wood, lack of hair growth, memory shot to hell, immune suppression, muscle loss, lack of appetite, poor protein assimulation (low esential aminos on urine test)
    vitalago - white spots all over skin - copper toxcity
    severe reactive hypoglcemia - adrenal fatigue, estrogen imbalances
    low free cortisol - estrogen domaince possible increassing corisol hormone binding globulin.

    Moly - 150 mcg BID chelated from solgar
    samm-e - 400 BID - jarrow
    TMG -1000 BID - jarrow
    folonic acid 4000 mcgs
    methycobalonin 5000 mcgs - jarrow
    No Dim, dhea, or any hormone releated suppelments till i get tests back..
    healthy trinity -probiotic
    glycine - 1000 mg BID
    vitamin C - sodium acsorabate - 1000 BID
    Now milk thistle TID
    now panthine 300 TID a day - for adrenal support

    Right now i am in a holding pattern until I get my other half of mytests back to see where estrodial is. If estrodial is elevated then I am going to switch to a different tesosterone creame. If estrodial is fine and DHEA levels are low due to not balance out the cortef then just add thr proper dhea under proper medical may be all that needs to resolve it (i think this is the main culprit more then anything because of sevre immune suppression because of other testing showing it up as dhea deficiency as well, but it was never addressed) mean while I will have stool sample test, leaky gut test done to see if there is an uinderlying bacterial infection in digestive tract which couild be adding extra stress to my body not letting it self rebalance

    Jansz thanks for telling me about lipoprotein A mine was off the charts and guess what lowers it TESTOSTERONE !!

    Now if i can fins the correltation between DHEA, lipoprotein A, and estrogen then I might have a better understanding on the situation.

    Low circulating levels of the adrenal steroids dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS) are thought to be associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD) in men. In women, either a positive or null association with CVD has been found. The nature of the relation between DHEAS and CVD risk factors in women is unclear and is based on cross-sectional data. We present results from a longitudinal investigation of serum DHEA and DHEAS and cardiovascular disease risk factors in 236 women, initially 50–60 years old, from a population-based prospective (1986–1995) study of the menopausal transition. We used generalized estimating equations to model the relation of serum DHEA and DHEAS to systolic and diastolic blood pressure and serum levels of total cholesterol, high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and apolipoproteins A and B, adjusting for other factors related to CVD. Both DHEA and DHEAS were positively related to diastolic and systolic blood pressure, and DHEAS was negatively related to apolipoprotein A. DHEA and DHEAS were also positively related to smoking, alcohol use, estrone, and estradiol levels, and inversely related to age. Our results suggest that higher levels of DHEA and DHEAS in middle-aged women may indicate increased CVD risk.

    But again here is the ***** low estrogen, low copper are the same symptoms of the excesses ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post


    folonic acid 4000 mcgs



    Is this a typo . . do you mean folic acid? If not, why do you use folonic acid rather than folic acid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpeil2 View Post
    Is this a typo . . do you mean folic acid? If not, why do you use folonic acid rather than folic acid?
    Because over 30-40% of the people can not convert to folic acid to fololnic acid (the active form in the body)
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    More information to provide that elevate lipo(A) is linked to estrogen levels

    Osteocalcin as a bone formation parameter and aminoterminal collagen type I telopeptide as a bone resorption parameter increased during high-dose estrogen supplementation, and then decreased during the lower doses. Lipoprotein (a) increased from 20 mg/dl at baseline to 60 and 62 mg/dl after 6 and 12 months

    Thieme-connect - Abstract

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