My Road To Being Me Again
- 03-10-2007, 01:24 PM
dave, Yeah I agree with your analysis. Problem is my Urologist isn't up on HRT like I would like and while he has agreed to work with Dr. John as far as running lab work, he is not willing to write a Rx since he doesn't know enough about HRT. So you can see my dilemma.
I dare not stop the injections at this point fearing a sharp increase in E and decrease in T levels. I think this would be a bad idea. I've also noticed atrophy with the "boys". As for changing the injections to twice a week, while probably a good idea, does this constitute "self-medication" since it isn't exactly what my Rx is for? Hell, I don't know.
This can get complicated as hell! No wonder Dr. John spends hours trying to figure all this out. Hopefully I'll present him with a pretty straight forward case that will be simple to correct. Cause in the end, all I want is to have a proper love life with my wife, which has been absent for years.
- 03-10-2007, 04:03 PM
By your definition I am doing nothing else but self-medicating for the last four years.
Think of it this way;
Either you have a doctor who knows TRT, then you follow his directions, because hi gives you directions.
you doctor admittedly does not know TRT, hopefully you do, then, first order is to secure enough medicine, supplements , blood work script, but the logic behind using all this must be yours.
If you doctor gives you for example, script for HCG, and tells you to inject 1000IU every day, as some do, you would be a crazy listening to that advice. Grab script for HCG, say thank you and inject 100IU every day.
Btw, if you got script for testosterone, (I prefer 100mg/1gram Tcreme, 90 days supply, 3 refils, on script written to use 2 grams daily), and scripts for blood work, you are just about set. Use 0.75grams of cream, it may work.
If you do not go overboard (most do) with T, you should be able to control your E's with DIM+IC3 and TMG.
You will not need Arimidex.
Your balls will shrink, that is cosmetics until you find another doctor who will give you a script for HCG.
You will be able to make love with your wife (with shrunken balls, big deal).
03-10-2007, 04:19 PM
Total Test 487ng/dL limits 241 - 827
% Free + Weekly bound 19.8% limits 9.0 - 46.0
Free + Weekly bound 96.4ng/dL limits 40.0 - 250.0
FSH 0.3 mIU/mL limits 1.4 - 18.1
Estradiol 37pg/nl limits 0 - 53
whatzzzzz up. hey gys what am i missing here? why based on these results do you feel your shutdown?
i must be near dead then...my t's at 320 (20-1000)
my free % is 1.3 (1.0-2.7)
my free is 41.4 (50-210)
est 20 (10-50)
also i see the ranges are different...isn't that a standard ?
i see your fsh is below the acceptable limits but your t isn't so bad.. no?? why is the t decent but the fsh so low....
isn't the fsh that tells the testes to produce....beeing too lazy to go back and look this up (work has me burnt)
thanks for helping me learn
03-10-2007, 07:36 PM
My limits are from LabCorp, but I don't know what the "standard" is.
As for being shutdown, the low FSH is due to the Test injections. That also explains the almost mid-range testosterone levels. Since I'm doing weekly injections, the hypothalmus and pituatary is detecting the testosterone in my system and has stopped production of FSH, and probably LH as well even though I didn't get that checked. Both those hormones tell the testicles to produce testosterone. This also explains the atrophy I am seeing. On another note, my Urologist noted atrophy on my initial visit. If we had been smart enough, I would have had a bunch of other tests run as well to find out why I was having problems. It may have been a FSH and LH problem, more than low test levels. Now there is no way of knowing, unless I completely do a PCT like therapy and get off the injections. This could take some time though. So till then, I will keep the injections going until I can get to Dr. John.
I hope my above explanation is correct. At least that is how I learned it. That is also about the extent of my HRT knowledge.
03-15-2007, 07:37 PM
Injection again tonight....and all went fine. Being shutdown had concerned me for a few days, but it was expected since starting the injections. Considering where I was before seeking help, I'm much better! At least I respond to the wife's stimulation. Erections aren't long lasting, but at least they occur. Now, as soon as I can get to Dr John, the better.
03-15-2007, 08:38 PM
glad your feeling better...and glad your scwartz is still with you )
i was suprised to see your test levels as high as they are....seems like there are a few guys here like you that have mid level test labs and are risking shuting it totally down for an
extra 100 or so ng/dL. that has me a little confused.
i'm feeling pretty good and am waiting to have my 30 day labs drawn in a few days
take care bud
03-16-2007, 06:06 PM
My Urologist put me on TRT due to fatigue, severe ED for almost 10 years, testicular atrophy, sleepiness all the time, etc...even though my test levels were in the low-normal range (460 ng/dl). I (nor my Dr for that matter) wasn't educated enough to know to check E levels, much less LH, FSH, etc, etc, etc before starting TRT. Strangely enough, my T levels are only up to 487 now. E is 36 at my last blood test, so that may have been the problem all along. I'm not one to chase an extra 100ng of testosterone just for the sake of having higher T levels. I would love nothing more than to be "normal" without all the injections. Considering for years I couldn't achieve an erection at all, I am much better in that department. I'm also interested in sex again, which is another improvement.
In any event, I'm certain I shouldn't get off the injections until I can get to see Dr. John. And even then I'll have to do it under his supervision, gradually and maybe with the assistance of HCG to get me started again. I'll leave all that up to him. I've learned enough to realize I need someone much more eduated than me to get me straightened out. I'm still not "fixed", and I don't know what else to do at this point.
03-16-2007, 06:39 PM
You have said that the money is tight and it may take a while before you can see a Dr John.
What prevents you from reading my post
03-10-2007, 04:03 PM
What are the details of your TRT that you are doing now?
03-16-2007, 07:39 PM
Yeah, I read your post over there. You are braver than I.
I'm still doing the 100mg per week of the Test C. I'll admit I've given the DIM a try, but really didn't notice any difference. Maybe I didn't stay with it long enough. But then again, I'm not keen at all on doing any "self diagnosing" for fear of really screwing myself up. But then again, after years of no libido, sex life etc....what could it hurt huh?
03-16-2007, 10:00 PM
i feel your pain and hope you get straightned out soon....as you know i'm just learning and everytime you learn one thing...there's ten more right behind it. it seems to me that your t isn't terrible and your e is a little hig but not out of range...maybe there's something else that's causing your issues. we should all kick in a couple bucks so you could see dr john )
that was a mistake on the t range...that was suposed to say 260 - 1000
did you ever have a sonagram of the ole johnson to check for any blood flow restriction?
03-17-2007, 09:03 AM
A communty chest to help out us poor folks to get to Dr John huh? I sent an email to Kim, asking for an appointment in the late May/early June timeframe. I can afford it by then.
I don't think it is a bloodflow problem. With the help of Cialis, I have been able to obtain a strong, rock hard erection. It is short lived, but at least I was "right" for awhile. Right now they are about half, maybe a bit more than that, than what they should be.
The other issue is, my libido still isn't where it should be either. It is like, yeah, I can be talked into sex, but am I really "horny"? Not really. Tough to explain, but I'm sure most men know exactly what I'm talking about.
The strangest part of it all it I'm able to add muscle in the gym, yet I'm still have these problems. WTF?? Beats me, that is why I don't want to change anything on my own.
Anyway, if I can get to Dr John in the late spring I will be happy. It's only a couple of months away when you think about it.
03-22-2007, 06:08 PM
Update to my log, which consists of good news and bad news.
First the good news. I've been playing phone tag with Kim at Dr. John's office. I plan on giving a call tomorrow morning to get myself scheduled to see him. I should be able to save enough by late May, so I want to get it scheduled as soon as I can.
Now the bad news. For some reason, I simply cannot relocate that sweet spot on my left quad to do my injections. I have almost crippled myself trying to find it again, leaving holes all in my leg, bleeding like hell. I have no idea what is up with that, but I'm now starting to hate doing the injections. I've been to the web sites that show the locations and have even compared them to my right quad. I still can't seem to get it right. My right one is still ok, but I've getting more nervous about doing them now. Since I have very little body fat, I may go to smaller and shorter needles and see if that helps. I gotta try something, cause what I'm trying to do now just ain't working.
03-28-2007, 06:33 PM
Well, I spoke with Kim yesterday. Looks like we are all set for a06 June appointment! That's the quickest I can afford the trip. Certainly looking forward to it!
03-28-2007, 07:55 PM
03-29-2007, 06:35 PM
Thanks bob. I talked to Kim today, we are all set. 1:00pm on June 6th!
And on another good note, I started messing around with the wife yesterday and all of a sudden, I was rock hard! Man it felt great to be that erect again! I couldn't maintain until I finished, but I took care of her just fine! She REALLY enjoyed it, so I was very pleased. Now if I could just keep that going for awhile, all would be set!
04-04-2007, 07:31 PM
ageless: IF you read this, my apologies bro. I just now saw your message. I'll hook up with ya this weekend. My bad for not noticing.
04-06-2007, 07:36 PM
Found A New Injection Site
My weekly injection went very well. I was cruising around on the net a few days ago and found another injection site to try since my left quad has been giving me problems. For some reason, I can't inject into my left quad anymore without severe pain. Anyway, I found one can very safely inject into the ventrogluteal muscle, which is located on the hip, just below the iliac crest (top of the hip bone).
So I had the wife do the injection for the first time to make sure she could locate the muscle. It was only a slight prick, then all was fine. One small drop of blood upon extraction of the needle. Gonna try to other one next week. Just thought I would share with anyone reading this log.
04-07-2007, 05:45 PM
nice to see that you are somewhat on ur way back
im in the same boat as u. same symptoms, although my ed isnt quiet as bad, but since i have no libido at all it doesnt matter
luckily my gf of 2 years is amazing, and i cant wait till im all fixed up and can thank her lol
im currently w dr chrisler. i opted to try out a 5 week pct (post cycle therapy) of nolvadex before i whent with trt. im on day 5 of that, no change as of yet
im 20 btw, all this crap started at age 18. i got really sick w strep throat for 2 weeks and boom....ive been a zomby since
i dream daily about when ill feel normal again. til then though lots of sorting stuff out, decypherin labs, and experimenting
good luck. keep us updated its nice to be able to have some support on these boards
04-07-2007, 06:00 PM
Sorry to hear someone your young age is already having problems. When I was your age, ED never even entered my mind. Having an erection and satisfaying sex life was as natural as breathing. Guess it goes to show you it can happen to anyone!
Is it your idea to do a PCT or Dr. John's? My Urologist started me on TRT without really checking a host of other hormones. But I'm smart enough now to know that I can't get off the Test C without really screwing myself up, so I'll just keep injecting until I can get to Dr. John.
Hang in there buddy, there is a remedy out there for the both of us!
04-07-2007, 09:24 PM
STREP THROAT! HOLY CRAP! I never thought of that! I had strep throat when I was 19-20, around the time my problems began. I forgot all about that. That was probably the root of my troubles too! I understand exactly what's going on with you man. It took me until now at 31 to discover Dr. Crisler & HRT. Hang in there!
04-08-2007, 01:21 AM
04-08-2007, 01:24 AM
mine came after a week of spring break (obviously lots of drinking). i think all the alcohol kinda weakened my immune system, then the strep throat just worsened and prolonged it. somewhere in that time i think it just overloaded my adrenals and my test levels just dropped
04-08-2007, 10:10 AM
04-12-2007, 08:09 PM
Injection went hunky dory this evening. Did a right quad shot, and was virtually painless...only an initial sting upon piercing the skin. My nipples constantly stay erect, with no other symptoms, but I'm still watching this closely.
Sex life hasn't really improved. Erections are inconsistent and short lived. But I actually enjoy getting them when I do. Makes me feel like a man again.
Can hardly wait for June 6th!
04-17-2007, 08:41 PM
Just a quick update to my log. Strength in the gym has been very good lately. I can tell I'm slowly getting stronger, and now I'm starting to add a bit of muscle. This tells me the injections are impacting me in a positive way, but this dayum ED persists! The wife is very understanding, but I'm sure her patience isn't endless. I know mine isn't.
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