Debating on coming off Trt

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  1. Debating on coming off Trt


    Are there any true supporting fact on Trt being unsafe? My wife hates the fact Iím on it and says Iím not going to be around long for my kids to grow up. Iím a 32 yr make with primary hypoG. What are your thoughts. I need to reassure her that this is safer than have low testosterone.


  2. In for this discussion. Cause Iím considering the opposite.
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  3. In for discussion. Same as @Jm88888

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Codster951 View Post
    Are there any true supporting fact on Trt being unsafe? My wife hates the fact Iím on it and says Iím not going to be around long for my kids to grow up. Iím a 32 yr make with primary hypoG. What are your thoughts. I need to reassure her that this is safer than have low testosterone.
    I'll tag along for some feedback on this. It's very difficult to judge this without more info on what you are doing as far as doctor prescribed and monthly testing. Along with what supports you are running but I would love to hear what some strong minds have to say on here.
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  5. There are tons of research supporting maintaining good testosterone levels. There are just as many explaining the health hazards of low testosterone.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i
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  6. I originally came on Trt after I went to the docs for low T, he said it is primary HypoG but I still think it was induced from messing with pro hormones when I was younger and had no clue what I was doing. I suffered from horrible anxiety and depression. I still do from time to time. I have been on this protocol for about 4 years 100mg test cip and doc now has the test blender with anastrozal. I came off last year via clomid to have a child and was successful but my levels dropped right back off after I discontinued clomid. So Iím guessing my hpta axis cannot be reset.

  7. Check out Dr S allyís HPTA Restart.
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread...start-Protocol
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Codster951 View Post
    Are there any true supporting fact on Trt being unsafe? My wife hates the fact I’m on it and says I’m not going to be around long for my kids to grow up. I’m a 32 yr make with primary hypoG. What are your thoughts. I need to reassure her that this is safer than have low testosterone.
    Can't blame her, there has been a lot of FUD surrounding testosterone for years and it's association with steroids. However, we have known for years now and education only increases, about the dangers of low testosterone and benefits of addressing this. There are obvious concerns with mismanagement of protocol and lifestyle choices that can be highlighted when on exogenous test, but this is present regardless. I would argue that people on TRT with a reputable doctor are actually safer than your average Joe because we actually get lab work, know when things are not in line and address it. This results in more awareness of our bodies, improved relationships with our doctor, and general health. So, I would present that angle and if needed, offer up reading material online to ease her mind.

    Then go give her a hug because it's great that she is thinking bigger picture and wanting to make sure you are around for her and the kids.

  9. After training for 39 years w/ out ever touching a needle (Ive done some PH's) I jumped on TRT at age 50. (Last year). I honestly didnt feel that great on it.
    (I did at first, but then the prostate thing acted up (swollen, hard to piss), anxiety kicked in big-time (all anabolics do that to me), hair shedding, the constant tests, monitoring, etc. I said to myself "for life, nah, not for me" (yet). I'll revisit in 9 years or so at age 60. I'm going to go back to do my 30 day cycles (Like Nano 1T w/ a small test dose (short 4 week cycle) then 4 week PCT (Clomid, Nolva, support stuff, hCG), then 4 weeks of health supps only to clean out, and go for my quarterly bloods for statins.

    4 weeks of sides I can take, not 100% full time, not fun for me. some dont get any of those sides, I get hit hard by them. (everyone's different).
    Ive been reading about short cycles (Nelson Montana, Bill Reynolds) and its just what I want to do for now. Good luck w/ whatever you choose, just wanted to share my recent experience.

  10. What Kisaj wrote is the gospel man! If you need to be on TRT then youíre doing more harm and risking more life threatening illnesses not being on it. Communicate with the wife too!

  11. Research shows being on TRT does not increase the risk of sudden, premature death. Actually, it is the opposite. Individuals with Low T are at a increased risk for severe heart related issue.

    Also, it depends on genetics and lifestyle. I do not recommend coming off TRT, you will regret.. all patients do.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    I do not recommend coming off TRT, you will regret.. all patients do.
    Again, Im probably a rare case, so I think the work "all" is incorrect in my situation. I came off and feel WAY better than when on.
    Night and day. Glad I did for now, I will re-visit down the line when older... Its a powerful drug/hormone, and I'm sure there may be others out there like me where it may not agree with their physiology.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Power-Lift View Post
    Again, Im probably a rare case, so I think the work "all" is incorrect in my situation. I came off and feel WAY better than when on.
    Night and day. Glad I did for now, I will re-visit down the line when older... Its a powerful drug/hormone, and I'm sure there may be others out there like me where it may not agree with their physiology.
    Just curious but could you provide details of your TRT situation and how you were able to come off?
  14. Debating on coming off Trt


    I was reading that someone ran hcg while on TRT to keep there testicles functioning In case they ever wanted to come off. How would that work I thought running hcg for to long shuts down signals to make the testicle function.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    I was reading that someone ran hcg while on TRT to keep there testicles functioning In case they ever wanted to come off. How would that work I thought running hcg for to long shuts down signals to make the testicle function.
    There are some that run HCG for the reason you mentioned. That way if they wanted to have kids, it would liken the chance they could get their wife pregnant. Most guys donít run HCG, with the exception I just listed, due to HCG sometimes makes it hard to dial in your E2. With that being said, thereís some guys on here, Kenpoengineer in specific, that is now being treated through Entourage for TRT. They include HCG in their protocol and Kenpo said he hasnít had a problem. Iíve contemplated adding HCG but itís expensive around here and I donít think my insurance pays for it. $75 a month out of pocket and personally I donít think itís worth it at this point. To my knowledge HCG will not shutdown your natural function since it signals LH receptors to produce.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by sammpedd88 View Post
    There are some that run HCG for the reason you mentioned. That way if they wanted to have kids, it would liken the chance they could get their wife pregnant. Most guys donít run HCG, with the exception I just listed, due to HCG sometimes makes it hard to dial in your E2. With that being said, thereís some guys on here, Kenpoengineer in specific, that is now being treated through Entourage for TRT. They include HCG in their protocol and Kenpo said he hasnít had a problem. Iíve contemplated adding HCG but itís expensive around here and I donít think my insurance pays for it. $75 a month out of pocket and personally I donít think itís worth it at this point. To my knowledge HCG will not shutdown your natural function since it signals LH receptors to produce.
    Correct. Iíve added HCG at 250 IU every 3.5 day since September 2017. Iím 57 and not interested in keeping up fertility but more interested in HCGís ability to ďbackfillĒ other hormones. Here is a good summary of HCG:
    https://www.excelmale.com/showthread...By-Gene-Devine
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i
  17. Debating on coming off Trt


    I think the problem is it shuts down or damages your body ability to signal your LH receptors to produce.
    Thatís why I was wondering how they would run it.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    I think the problem is it shuts down or damages your body ability to signal your LH receptors to produce.
    Thatís why I was wondering how they would run it.
    As a TRT user your natural testosterone production is already completely shut down.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    As a TRT user your natural testosterone production is already completely shut down.
    So as someone that doesnít need TRT or for someone that does but wants to remain fertile. In theory? All they have to do is run a low dose of HCG while on a cycle or TRT and there balls will never shut down.
    Why donít people do that instead of starting at the end of a cycle for pct?
    What if they ran a heavy cycle like say with trenbolone would it still be effective?
  20. May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Excellent, thank you

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Power-Lift View Post
    After training for 39 years w/ out ever touching a needle (Ive done some PH's) I jumped on TRT at age 50. (Last year). I honestly didnt feel that great on it.
    (I did at first, but then the prostate thing acted up (swollen, hard to piss), anxiety kicked in big-time (all anabolics do that to me), hair shedding, the constant tests, monitoring, etc. I said to myself "for life, nah, not for me" (yet). I'll revisit in 9 years or so at age 60. I'm going to go back to do my 30 day cycles (Like Nano 1T w/ a small test dose (short 4 week cycle) then 4 week PCT (Clomid, Nolva, support stuff, hCG), then 4 weeks of health supps only to clean out, and go for my quarterly bloods for statins.

    4 weeks of sides I can take, not 100% full time, not fun for me. some dont get any of those sides, I get hit hard by them. (everyone's different).
    Ive been reading about short cycles (Nelson Montana, Bill Reynolds) and its just what I want to do for now. Good luck w/ whatever you choose, just wanted to share my recent experience.
    What do you think caused the anxiety? High estradiol?
  23. Debating on coming off Trt


    I may be wrong in your case just trying to help, (Food for thought) but from personal experience with depression and anxiety,

    You get so used to feeling *crappy* *Down* *Low Libido*, (whatever word you want to use) that becomes normal, almost comfortable. Now you go on TRT or anti depressants and you start to feel better but your feeling better actually is an uncomfortable place to be and can cause a different anxiety that your not used to feeling, this new anxiety or form of anxiety is out of your comfort zone. So you associate the anxiety from the medication but in turn there are deeper underlining issues.

  24. hows your lab results look?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jcc7220 View Post
    I may be wrong in your case just trying to help, (Food for thought) but from personal experience with depression and anxiety,

    You get so used to feeling *crappy* *Down* *Low Libido*, (whatever word you want to use) that becomes normal, almost comfortable. Now you go on TRT or anti depressants and you start to feel better but your feeling better actually is an uncomfortable place to be and can cause a different anxiety that your not used to feeling, this new anxiety or form of anxiety is out of your comfort zone. So you associate the anxiety from the medication but in turn there are deeper underlining issues.
    I had terrible anxiety after starting TRT, even though e2 checked out around 20
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