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Ok guys so im tryn a new approach. For a while now i have been experiencing low libido despite good t levels and what not. After discussing it alot with my hrt doc, he thought i should try test propionate subcutaneous daily injections of 25mg a day. Supposedly since propionate hits the body quicker, libido will improve. I did 30mg last night and 25mg this morning. I don't feel any different yet but obviously its too soon to tell. He also told me that i should cut back on my anastrozole because propionate will aromatize much less than cypionate. Any thoughts, opinions, or ideas about this new trial? Sound promising to you guys?
 
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How's the E2? Bloods bro.
 
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How's the E2? Bloods bro.
E2 was fine. My libido was low even with great labwork. Total t at like 12- 1500, e2 around 20 etc... my libido has been lousy for a while. Im hoping this prop therapy does the trick
 

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E2 was fine. My libido was low even with great labwork. Total t at like 12- 1500, e2 around 20 etc... my libido has been lousy for a while. Im hoping this prop therapy does the trick
Have you tried to bring your total T levels down a bit? Sometimes guys that get their levels at the high end like that get negative results. Just a thought man.
 
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Have you tried to bring your total T levels down a bit? Sometimes guys that get their levels at the high end like that get negative results. Just a thought man.
Yeap. Had them around 600- 1000. Same issue
 
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Are you taking pregnenolone or DHEA? Does your Dr check blood levels on these?
No i have not but i cycle hcg which regulates DHEA and pregnenolone so i would imagine thats ok
 
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I've tried cyp, enan and prop for trt, and prop by far makes me feel and perform the best. 7.5-10cc of prop before bed, and it peaks when I wake up. It can be drawn and pinned with the same 29g insulin syringe. I used a .50iu 29g syringe with around 10iu test prop per day. Unfortunately my doc will only prescribe cyp or enan..
 
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I've tried cyp, enan and prop for trt, and prop by far makes me feel and perform the best. 15-20mg of prop before bed, and it peaks when I wake up. It can be drawn and pinned with the same 29g insulin syringe. I used a .50iu 29g syringe with 20iu test prop per day. Unfortunately my doc will only prescribe cyp or enan..
**** yeah bro thats what i wanna hear! Hows the aromatize? Not as bad as cyp right?
 
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Sub. Op, can you make this a mini log with updates? Im in the same boat. Started trt and my libido dropped. Im considering prop as well. Are you low shbg by chance?
 
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Sub. Op, can you make this a mini log with updates? Im in the same boat. Started trt and my libido dropped. Im considering prop as well. Are you low shbg by chance?
Nope shbg is 23% i believe. Im gonna be doin 30mg of prop daily and see how i feel. Ill keep adding updates on this thread. I really hope i can drop the anastrozole or at least cut way back on it. That stuff is expensive
 
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Are you paying out of pocket with a trt clinic? If so, how is the prop prices compared to cyp?
 
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**** yeah bro thats what i wanna hear! Hows the aromatize? Not as bad as cyp right?
Doesn't aromatize even close to that of cyp or enan. I never have issues with gyno if e2 is high, just severe mood swings, libido issues, and depression. I don't get that from replacement dosages of prop. Pinning it every day is much better when it makes you feel more like the way you should. I never really did well on cyp or enan.
 
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Nope shbg is 23% i believe. Im gonna be doin 30mg of prop daily and see how i feel. Ill keep adding updates on this thread. I really hope i can drop the anastrozole or at least cut way back on it. That stuff is expensive
.15mg-.20cc would put you at or over high normal. Try out .10cc/day first and see how you feel after a couple weeks. It's so thin you can pull and pin with any gauge needle you want. I use 29g with prop
 
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15mg-20mg would put you at or over high normal. Try out 10mg/day first and see how you feel after a couple weeks. It's so thin you can pull and pin with any gauge needle you want. I use 29g with prop
Ive had the ugl stuff and it hurts like hell. But pharmacy grade wouldnt be as bad i would hope.. 29g sounds awesome. 25g is smallest i use with cyp.
 
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Ive had the ugl stuff and it hurts like hell. But pharmacy grade wouldnt be as bad i would hope.. 29g sounds awesome. 25g is smallest i use with cyp.
Surprisingly low doses of ugl prop doesn't cause pain usually
 
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I must had stuff mixed in a bathtub or something..
 
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Subbed. good luck man, hope this works quick for you
 
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Definite Sub here. 51 yo, and considering TRT next year.
 
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Ok guys well i started friday night with a 30mg subcutaneous shot in the glute, and saturday with a 25mg subcutaneous glute shot. Last night i woke up in the night with a boner! Always a good sign! Ill keep you guys updated. Also i still have some cypionate lingering in my system so we won't know the full effects until next week. I shall be viewing hardcore pornography and masturbating on a daily basis for scientific purposes and reporting my findings lol
 
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Ewww and good luck sir!
I mean good luck and ewww.
Wait.
Damn.
 
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UPDATE: did back and biceps today and holy crap i was strong. Definitely effecting my workouts in a positive way! Bad news, my 2nd day subq shot in my glute is kinda sore. I feel slightly feverish but to be fair i have had a cold for the past week plus my last 2 workouts were absolutely insane. I swear to god if i get another infection someone is gonna die!!! But im hoping im just overreacting and my slight fever is due to cold/smashing chest and back
 
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UPDATE: did back and biceps today and holy crap i was strong. Definitely effecting my workouts in a positive way! Bad news, my 2nd day subq shot in my glute is kinda sore. I feel slightly feverish but to be fair i have had a cold for the past week plus my last 2 workouts were absolutely insane. I swear to god if i get another infection someone is gonna die!!! But im hoping im just overreacting and my slight fever is due to cold/smashing chest and back
Are you injecting right before bed? I've found that's the best time. On high doses of prop .50-1cc would definitely be sore the next day. But on anything under .20cc no soreness at all.
 
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Are you injecting right before bed? I've found that's the best time. On high doses of prop 50mg-100mg I would definitely be sore the next day. But on anything under 20mg no soreness at all.
Im doing 25mg a night. I have a little mark what looks like a bruise so im assuming thats all it is. Do you have any idea what my total testosterone is on 25mg of propionate a day? 800? 1000? 1200?
 
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Im doing 25mg a night. I have a little mark what looks like a bruise so im assuming thats all it is. Do you have any idea what my total testosterone is on 25mg of propionate a day? 800? 1000? 1200?
Not sure about .25cc ed, but .10cc ed would put you around 900-1000ng/dL if it were full strength prop and not underdosed.

Have you tried ed injections of cyp or enan? I know the half life is way longer, but I wonder how .8cc/day would work, and if test and e2 would be a lot more stable? I doubt it would feel as natural as low dose prop, but I might try it for a month and see what my blood levels are at.
 
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Not sure about 25mg ed, but 10mg ed would put you around 900-1000ng/dL if it were full strength prop and not underdosed.

Have you tried ed injections of cyp or enan? I know the half life is way longer, but I wonder how 8mg/day would work, and if test and e2 would be a lot more stable? I doubt it would feel as natural as low dose prop, but I might try it for a month and see what my blood levels are at.
10mg a day would put me at 900!? No way! Thats gotta be wrong! Thats only 70mg per week. 200mg of cyp peaks me at 1200. Please explain this to me for i am ignorant to the differences of blood values and certain esters
 
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I don't know if my numbers are normal for the Test Cyp. but on 100mg / week, my T was over 1500. I would love to have known how much over.
 
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I don't know if my numbers are normal for the Test Cyp. but on 100mg / week, my T was over 1500. I would love to have known how much over.
Maybe everyones body metabolises it at a different rate? 100mg put me at at 600 tops
 

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10mg a day would put me at 900!? No way! Thats gotta be wrong! Thats only 70mg per week. 200mg of cyp peaks me at 1200. Please explain this to me for i am ignorant to the differences of blood values and certain esters
No way to know what a certain dosage would put your T levels at. Everyone is different. Need to get regular labs done.
 
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10mg a day would put me at 900!? No way! Thats gotta be wrong! Thats only 70mg per week. 200mg of cyp peaks me at 1200. Please explain this to me for i am ignorant to the differences of blood values and certain esters
Prop is more potent than cyp or enan. If you check out some of the posts about guys using daily prop for trt, you'll notice they use no less than .7ml per day and no more than .15ml per day. Guys using .7ml per day of prop are peaking around 600ng/dL . When I blasted prop at 50mg/day, my peak level was a little over 3000ng/dL, and estradiol was low 80s. For instance, comparing steroid cycle amounts, you would run 500mg of cyp/week whereas you would run 400mg of prop/week for the same blood testosterone levels.
 
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Prop is more potent than cyp or enan. If you check out some of the posts about guys using daily prop for trt, you'll notice they use no less than .7ml per day and no more than .15ml per day. Guys using .7ml per day of prop are peaking around 600ng/dL . When I blasted prop at 50mg/day, my peak level was a little over 3000ng/dL, and estradiol was low 80s. For instance, comparing steroid cycle amounts, you would run 500mg of cyp/week whereas you would run 400mg of prop/week for the same blood testosterone levels.
Ok so going by what ur saying, doing 25mg daily should keep me just a tad over high normal with less aromatize. Correct?
 
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Ok so going by what ur saying, doing 25mg daily should keep me just a tad over high normal with less aromatize. Correct?
Depending on how your body reacts/uses test, injecting .25ml/day of prop should have your levels well above the lab reference range at peak, .25ml/day will put you right around 1500ng/dL. Estradiol will be lower than it would on cyp or enan of a similar dose, but a lot higher than if you kept your testosterone level within normal range. Try .20ml/day of prop for a month, and then get your blood levels checked around 5-8 hours after last injection and see where your levels are at. You'll be surprised how high they'll be at only that dose. I don't have any prop at the moment so I'm using enan, but I sure miss it..
 
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Hey punk, how is the prop going for you? Pain in the @ss or is it tolerable?
 
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Hey punk, how is the prop going for you? Pain in the @ss or is it tolerable?
No pain. Im doing subcutaneous injections in my glutes. 5/16 needle 30 gauge. I dont feel a thing
 
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No pain. Im doing subcutaneous injections in my glutes. 5/16 needle 30 gauge. I dont feel a thing
One more thing. You may know this but it has been shown when using subq to inject there is a 20% increase in Test. As opposed to deep muscle injection.
 
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Thats good to hear! I have my apt coming up and im gonna see if i can get prop. Did you get it through a compounding pharmacy?
 
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Thats good to hear! I have my apt coming up and im gonna see if i can get prop. Did you get it through a compounding pharmacy?
Yeah most anti aging clinics should carry it. Libido is improved but im not jumping the gun just yet, there is still cyp in my system and i just started cutting back my anastrozole so im sure the next week should be interesting
 
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What's really surprising the hell out of me is how well everyday test enan is doing for me. Maybe it's all in my head, but I'm not getting the roller coaster effect, not at all. My mood is very stable, libido is still fairly low but erection strength is 100%. No anxiety, no anger, no redness, morning wood is 100% every morning. I was doing 7.5cc every morning, but I'm thinking it was driving my estradiol too low because my joints were killing me. I bumped up to .10cc every morning and feel just about perfect. Can't wait to get labs next month! I'll happily pin daily if it means this much of a difference. I'm injecting .20cc more per week than I'm prescribed, but that's ok as long as I'm feeling good and it keeps me in range. F-ck it feels good to get off that damn roller coaster, I'll leave those to the amusement parks. Guys if pinning doesn't bother you, please try daily injections and post your results.
 
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UPDATE: so its been exactly 16 days now since i been doing daily prop injections of 25- 30mg per day depending on how precise i fill the syringe. Energy is great, more frequent morning wood, and i feel like iron man in the gym. My libido is still kinda dull but not totally because i been getting urges to watch porn and when i beat off my dick gets harder so thats definitely an improvement.
 
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Ok punk i need an update! How is the daily prop treating you?
 
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Ok punk i need an update! How is the daily prop treating you?
Its been good man. Im taking a break for a week because im going to mexico so i did a quick cyp shot but then ill get back on it when i return. The main things i notice with the prop is the energy and strength in the gym. Libido is better too. Not amazing but an improvement for sure. When i jump back on the prop im gonna start tweaking the dose here and there to try to find that sweetspot
 
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I did a prop shot yesterday instead of enan, and it definitely makes all the difference in the world. I feel amazing on prop compared to enan or cyp. Only did .10cc and wow. Prop should definitely be the go to for trt.
 
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Thats very interesting..
 
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I have a follow up with my trt clinic defy in a few days. Im gonna ask for prop. Hopefully they will be open to it.
 
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I have a follow up with my trt clinic defy in a few days. Im gonna ask for prop. Hopefully they will be open to it.
Let us know what they say. I'm pretty sure you can only get test prop from a compounding pharmacy. Not sure how that would go over with most insurance companies. A 10ml 200mg/ml vial of enanthate costs me $10 through insurance, but they're funny about paying for compounding pharmacy products for some reason.
 

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