TRT DEAD LIBIDO

[Punkrocker]

Ok maybe not DEAD. But it might as well be. So check it out, i been on trt for exactly 2 years now. During that time i did a few cycles basically jacking the test from 200 to 500 or 800 with a little splash of epistane, anavar or boldenone here and there. Nothing wild. Besides that my protocol is 200mg per week with anastrozole usually.5mg every other day. I keep my e2 anywhere from 20-40. Lately i been adjusting the dose hoping for a libido spike. I am also running hcg at the moment as well. Im doing 180iu daily which i read is a good dose for stimulation of the testes. I know the hcg is working because my nuts are hanging more plus i got a little moody when i first started it. My total test is high 800-1500 and so is my free test. I thought the hcg would restart the libido. My dick works if i watch porn and jack off and focus, but thats ridiculous. I used to have to focus to NOT be horny. HELP! What can i do? Options!? Opinions!? Suggestions!? This is awful!!!

 

[Bigjohnn]

Stare at real women more i guess,stay away from porn? Could be stressing out about something?

 

[Bigjohnn]

Are you saying its just not happening for you unless you watch porn?

 

[Punkrocker]

Even if i watch porn it sucks. I can get it to work, but its just not the same

 

[sammpedd88]

Ok maybe not DEAD. But it might as well be. So check it out, i been on trt for exactly 2 years now. During that time i did a few cycles basically jacking the test from 200 to 500 or 800 with a little splash of epistane, anavar or boldenone here and there. Nothing wild. Besides that my protocol is 200mg per week with anastrozole usually.5mg every other day. I keep my e2 anywhere from 20-40. Lately i been adjusting the dose hoping for a libido spike. I am also running hcg at the moment as well. Im doing 180iu daily which i read is a good dose for stimulation of the testes. I know the hcg is working because my nuts are hanging more plus i got a little moody when i first started it. My total test is high 800-1500 and so is my free test. I thought the hcg would restart the libido. My dick works if i watch porn and jack off and focus, but thats ridiculous. I used to have to focus to NOT be horny. HELP! What can i do? Options!? Opinions!? Suggestions!? This is awful!!!

Your E2 could be high if you've just started using HCG. It will drive your E2 up. Another factor can be your test levels. No need for your total T to be near 1500. Keeping it around 800 is usually plenty. Have you had labs done lately?

 

[Punkrocker]

He said his E2 was between 20-40, jackass, and increasing test past 800 is a desirable level. Name one member who can attest to, and you can link their post saying specifically that more than 1000 hurts their libido? What a ****ing joke,

@OP - my advice to you is figure out if there are other factors, in my opinion your issue is more likely a dopamine and / or progesterone issue. You can have high test levels but without enough dopamine the sex drive will still dip. hCG raises progesterone more than E2 {Increased 17-OH-progesterone levels following hCG stimulation in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia and raised FSH levels. - PubMed - NCBI}, so that could be your issue and adding a little DHT might help a bit.

Well i dont think as far as progesterone goes i have a problem. Last time i checked my prolactin was 6 which is nice and low. My libido had been bad which is why i have added hcg to my regiment. As far as dopamine goes, i have been reading about that and am curious if thats my problem. But every dopamine supplement i read about seems to be dangerous. Mucuna pruiens, rhodiola, st johns wart etc... they all seem to either have a chance of ****ing with your heart, or can actually do something like fix your sex drive temporarily but then it dies down again. Any ideas bro? Also is there a way to tell if i have low dopamine?

 

[Punkrocker]

Only a handfull of dopaminergic drugs negatively affect the heart, that would be cabergoline, bromocriptine and in some cases pergolide. Requip & Pramipexole carry no such risk, but they should only be used if one has severe prolactin elevation and / or one is planning on 'rebooting' their receptors afterwards. Therefore, dopamine agonists are not the best option for most people though running them can be fun, you just need to follow a regimen afterwards to increase your receptors back to normal. So, in a way, dopamine drugs are like steroids, you have to follow a PCT (but for your dopamine receptors) after if you want to avoid "DAWS" and any other repercussions.

***How to Prevent/Reverse Dopamine Receptor Downregulation from Dopamine Agonists, Stimulants and other Causes***

If your prolactin is on the lower end, it could mean that your dopamine is high, but it also could mean you have imbalanced receptor activities and your dopamine is not 'activating' D1 receptors as much as D2, that sort of imbalance would explain your issue as D1R's are involved with motivation towards sexual activities and fertility {http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.462.2253&rep=rep1&type=pdf}.

• You can run a test called HVA or homovanillic acid, ask your doc to take the urine sample or get one done through a lab.
• You can also look in blood work or urine for a 'metabolite' called MHPG which indicates dopamine function.
• You *might* be able to get blood work done on serum dopamine levels themselves, but this test is controversial due to uptake patterns in the brain/body fluctuating greatly throughout the day.

Thats some good info. Is there anything else i can do? Any natural vitamins or a diet to follow that could somehow correct this? Also i have noticed that morning wood isint frequent anymore. Is that also dopamine related? Or do i really just need to play with my test/e ratio.

 

[Punkrocker]

Could be a little of both bro. You could try P5P first and see if that helps. You could also look into the nitric oxide angle, but if you use preworkouts or take Arginine regularly then you should be fine. You may need to get E2 down if you feel that you have a specific sensitivity issue.

Yeah i can grab some p5p. Also i was told that after being on trt for so long you need to come off for a month and run clomid for a couple weeks to refresh your receptors and then get back on which will restore my libido. True or false?

 

[Punkrocker]

Never heard of that before, at least not the receptors part. Running clomid without TRT is optional, but usually folks do that when they are trying to conceive and / or just want to come off of TRT.
I don't see what benefit one would gain by going off of their TRT for a whole month just to play the odds and in the process, suffer all kinds of side-effects associated with E2 dominance.

Yeah i dont wanna come off either. Well im gonna grab some p5p and take it from there. If i infact have that thing were my dopamine isint getting into the right receptors or whatever, what then? Whats the correction? And if you were in my position what would you try. You obviously seem to have a ton of knowledge so i need as much as i can get from you. You have been so helpful so far bro

 

[GQNemesis]

need some cialis ?

 

[sammpedd88]

He said his E2 was between 20-40, jackass, and increasing test past 800 is a desirable level. Name one member who can attest to, and you can link their post saying specifically that more than 1000 hurts their libido? What a ****ing joke,

@OP - my advice to you is figure out if there are other factors, in my opinion your issue is more likely a dopamine and / or progesterone issue. You can have high test levels but without enough dopamine the sex drive will still dip. hCG raises progesterone more than E2 {Increased 17-OH-progesterone levels following hCG stimulation in men with idiopathic oligozoospermia and raised FSH levels. - PubMed - NCBI}, so that could be your issue and adding a little DHT might help a bit.

Ok Mr douche bag who sells worthless overpriced products. Find someone else to talk **** to. And raising test over 800 for the hell of it isn't a great idea. Plenty of threads on hear from guys on TRT who say they feel better when their test levels are around 800. Of course it depends on the individual as well, but more is definitely not better and no one should ever shoot for 1200-1500 for the hell of it. If you support that idea then you're a bigger idiot than I thought.

Also he just recently started the HCG. That's why I asked about recent labs. I know his E2 levels WERE 20-40 but he didn't say WHEN that was.