TRT Tip: Avoiding High Hematocrit

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Thanks guys! Today is my first whole blood donation. You can't give double red until you are blood typed and tested. How long of a rest period do you need after giving blood before lifting?
    If I remember correctly they tell you no heavy exercise for the rest of the day.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Thanks guys! Today is my first whole blood donation. You can't give double red until you are blood typed and tested. How long of a rest period do you need after giving blood before lifting?
    I donate in the morning, and go easy on lifting that night. You're supposed to wait around 24 hours though.
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  3. I'm having trouble getting the blood center here in NY to do a double red donation. Apparently they like my platelets a lot. They want only whole blood or plasma/platelet donation from me. Opposite of what I need... Whole blood is fine, but double red is so much better. No dehydration, and gets levels down faster.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by v4lu3s View Post
    i started doing 30 minute cardio sessions, ~10 times a week f......and bp has decreased ...
    What type of cardio were you doing for this effect? LISS?

  5. How do u guys hydrate before a whole blood donation? Im drinkin water like crazy had to quit chew, i guess i dehydrate very fast, last time and only time ive given i passed out and had to be sent to the er, 5 bags of saline and a whole slue of issues and a whole year later, and now i have to go donate, they wont give me saline until i start giving double reds, so is there any type of stuff to help u super hydrate without putting yourself in danger of over hydrating,?
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  6. I just make sure to have a lot of water the day before and morning before. Few liters in the morning if I'm going around noon. You could take some electrolytes (pedialyte) or something if you dehydrate that bad.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    I just make sure to have a lot of water the day before and morning before. Few liters in the morning if I'm going around noon. You could take some electrolytes (pedialyte) or something if you dehydrate that bad.
    Yeah i was thinking of drinkin some pedialyte just to cover my hydration issues!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by j2048b View Post
    Yeah i was thinking of drinkin some pedialyte just to cover my hydration issues!
    Consider donating double red. I donated yesterday and it was amazing. Smaller needle than normal whole blood donation. This machine pumps your blood out, runs it through a centrifuge to separate red blood cells from plasma/other then pumps plasma/other back into you. It even adds saline to make up for the red blood cells they extract. No issues at all.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Consider donating double red. I donated yesterday and it was amazing. Smaller needle than normal whole blood donation. This machine pumps your blood out, runs it through a centrifuge to separate red blood cells from plasma/other then pumps plasma/other back into you. It even adds saline to make up for the red blood cells they extract. No issues at all.
    They wont take a double red until after u have done a whole blood donation, then the next time u can give a double red,

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Gutterpump View Post
    What type of cardio were you doing for this effect? LISS?
    every day fasted for half an hour in the AM, 4 days of it is on an elliptical at work with varying intensity keeping heart rate above 120 with much og it above 140. then add a half hour session on an elliptical after weights which is 3-5 days a week, again same heart rate goals.
    the rest are usually jog/sprint for half an hour or a road bicycle for however long I feel like going.

  11. I can't donate because I lived in the UK during the 80s.

  12. Double red blood cells!

    Do not donate too often as you will start to decrease your ferritiin levels

  13. I just get phlems from my hemo and it should be g2g

  14. I can't give blood so I am trying grapefruit, has anyone ever seen a drop with that?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by RockyP View Post
    I can't give blood so I am trying grapefruit, has anyone ever seen a drop with that?
    Grapefruit really isnt that great for u, it can cause detrimental side effects to meds and other stuff, ive seen THE WHOLE TRT WORLD talk about grapefruit, its really not worth taking,

    Glycerine i heard really helped, but need to be cautious with, but also check into cellular hydration, i know a guy on here who talks about it a lot and has his own functional medical clinic,

    Not sure how to really hydrate at the cellular level myself?

    If u smoke or chew tobacco stop, i have chewed for a long time and it doesnt help at all

  16. You will need to get a therapeutic phlebotomy then. Youíre going to have to request a script from your doctor.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  17. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    You will need to get a therapeutic phlebotomy then. You’re going to have to request a script from your doctor.
    Ok cool thanks.
    But I am not feeling as good as I did when I started. Can't sleep much, low sperm as I'm not on hcg, no END say it's needed for a man my age on trt, none that takes my insurance anyways and I have seen 4, with one being one of those who does lectures on the topic, low energy and panic attacks.
    I know it sounds crazy but I feel I screwed myself, and I guess i would have been screwed without it too.
    I am probably depressed but I can't really even think of getting on meds.
    Sorry guys I am just really worried.

  18. Can you share what your protocol is and what other supplements you are taking? How about bloodwork? Iíve been a TRT user for 3 years and Iíll help.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

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    these are the latest labs from Dec. Last time I did E2 it was low, Endo doesn't test for that often unless there are signs.
    I take 100ml per week, which is half the vial 0.5CL I guess. I take the test blood work the day before I inject, additionally, I had lowered the dosage on this specific test to lower my Hematocrit that was slightly out of range in sept.

    Multi Vit twice a week, Vit D 4 days a week, Vit C 4 days a week, Fish oil every day, Magnesium 3 times a week, Tumeric 3 times a week, Co-Q10 2wice a week.

    I have been on TRT since 2015 same dosage.
    I eat clean for the most part, it all started with a high prolactin result. my test went as low as 196.
    Did some HCG sporadically cause once i went to see a urologist and he prescribed it, but then one of my Endos said it was not part pf the protcol for a man my age. I still have the prescription but it is expensive and I am thinking about refilling it for a couple of months. Last time i did a month of it was back in Sept.

    Thanks

  20. Quote Originally Posted by RockyP View Post
    I can't give blood so I am trying grapefruit, has anyone ever seen a drop with that?
    Yes, naringin helped me to lower and keep lower hematocrit by 1.5-2 pts. It worked very well, but I no longer need it. I've been on TRT for a little over 7 years and now my hemo just stays in range. My endo said this is common and that many people spend the first couple of years trying to maintain it through blood donation and protocol adjustment. I live at 6500', so everyone has higher hemo around here- it's normal. I ride around 50-51 and doctors won't even flinch unless you are >55.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Yes, naringin helped me to lower and keep lower hematocrit by 1.5-2 pts. It worked very well, but I no longer need it. I've been on TRT for a little over 7 years and now my hemo just stays in range. My endo said this is common and that many people spend the first couple of years trying to maintain it through blood donation and protocol adjustment. I live at 6500', so everyone has higher hemo around here- it's normal. I ride around 50-51 and doctors won't even flinch unless you are >55.
    Odd , ive not heard of naringin really helping, and my hemo doc is freakin out and wants me to get my hemo down to a freakin 43.....wth? Nwver had it that low and while on trt it is always around 51-54

  22. Here is a TRT management table published by ExcelMale. Notice that they say hematocrit levels are Ok until you rise above 53.
    May I suggest using this app to track your bloodwork tests:
    myBloodTracker for IPhone and IPad
    https://appsto.re/us/vvMndb.i

  23. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Here is a TRT management table published by ExcelMale. Notice that they say hematocrit levels are Ok until you rise above 53.
    Thanks.
    My blood is all within range as of last dec. I am just not feeling well.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Here is a TRT management table published by ExcelMale. Notice that they say hematocrit levels are Ok until you rise above 53.
    Yup seen it wish my hemo would accept that,
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