Anyone have experience with low Adrenal Reserves

[hardtoget]

So I've been on a pro hormone cycle now for about 4 weeks and was noticing strange symptoms. At first my energy and sex drive was going great, then all of a sudden starting feeling terrible. I am taking Trestolone (DermaTrest) at 100mg per day, my body is extremely sensitive to stress like ridiculously sensitive. Felt like my estrogen was too damn high, felt sluggish as hell and depressed with itchy nipples. Long story short I had a severe adrenal crash, don't know if you guys on here know what that is but try and not getting out of your bed in the morning and feeling like somebody took a whip to your lower/mid back and it's painful as f***. It really sucks with this, I've done it all salivary cortisol test, ACTH test, took HC therapy and won't do that ever again made me much worse. I've been suffering with this now for over 4 years, I'm much better now with Vitamin C/B-5 but I still experience terrible crashes that can leave me dragging for 3-4 days at a time. Really don't know what to do at this point. I'm seeing a doctor who supposedly thinks outside the box and is good with hormone therapy. I also suffer with low testosterone and take HCG currently. I'm afraid to bring this up cause every other doctor thinks it's in my head. Appreciate what you guys could tell me here.

 

[The Matrix]

You may have done it all, but after reviewing hundreds of cases of people not getting better there is one factor...all the information is there, but doctors do not know what do you with it. They did all thr testing, but look at each individual result instead of seeing how are they all connected. I have blessed to be introduced to some of the well respected doctors who top in their fields and pioneer to learn first hand what they know. Point being is the whole person needs to be addressed not just one aspect or they will not get bettter. Proper history and dx as well as symptoms is what is needed to get a good picture of what we are truly dealing with. Just the other day I had a woman who had cfs for 30 years. I did all the ground work with them and found potential lyme disease. Upon the evaluation it result into them flying to come see an llmd I worked with. Their was a clinical diagnosis of a virus which over looked for 30 years confirmd through traditonal testing. This started out with neurological condition and adrenal insufficient, fatigue, heavy metals diagnosis from 100 of other doctors to a diagnosis of a bacterial infection. This is what is called getting to the root cause by using common sense and science.

 

[hardtoget]

I appreciate your response "The Matrix." However I encountered a lot of practitioners such as yourself in California when I first noticed many symptoms. Let's just say the end result was I took out a loan to pay off the medical bills from so many practitioners who practiced everything from muscle testing, SCIO body scanning, to iridology. One would say I have this, one would say I have that and then push thousands of dollars of supplements down your throat with the end result not curing the underlying problem. Yes I heard I had some lyme, a fungal infection, a viral infection, etc. But you know what, if it wouldn't have been for that pushy chiropractor in California forcing me on a cleanse I might not be in this position today. I'd rather just live with sub optimal adrenal function/HPTA dysfunction than deal with thousands in debt with no cure. I believe in holistic practice, however I don't believe in taking a bunch of stuff just to dwindle my financial earnings and leave me in more debt.

 

[The Matrix]

They need to support it with clinical evidence and labs. There is a point to where it gets into the woo woo phase. I follow evidence based approach along with research. Md will not take you serious other wise. ..

 

[hardtoget]

Well after doing a lot of research on tissue and organ repair, stem cells and growth hormone are the two best options. Since stem cells are not readily available im going to try growth hormone releasing peptide MK-677. I want to see if it allows healing to go faster through deeper sleep. I have heard that it sends some into an adrenal crisis for those who are hypopituitary. But after taking an ACTH test that has been ruled out. Interested to see the results

 

[The Matrix]

Acth test is not a true indicator of adrenal function. Listening to the person's symptoms and history is a much more valuable tool along with 4 point cortisol saliva test from a respectable company. Modern medicine dismiss it every time. Let them keep people slipping through cracks its just going to keep some one else busy

 

[hardtoget]

Well I want to try growth hormone, not only for the benefits of sleep but repairing the body's normal functions. You're right about the ACTH test not being accurate but I responded very much the same way Dr. Wilson describes a typical adrenal fatigue patient. My cortisol baseline was 31 but only rose to 35, most doctors don't know but your baseline cortisol needs to double. Mine did not and what happened two days later was ridiculous, my adrenals were so freaking painful and I crashed severely. Again, adrenal fatigue is a mild form of Primary Adrenal Insufficiency pituitary is fine however the adrenals don't respond strong enough even with an increase in ACTH.

 

[hardtoget]

BTW, my doctor said you had normal range of cortisol so you're fine.

 

[The Matrix]

Doctor is highly misinformed. !! Why our health care system to going to sh!t real fast. I have the privilege to interact with open minded doctors on a daily basis their is a huge learning curve. No one has taught them the foundation work properly. You goto this doc for this problem then sent to another doc for another problem. One hand does not talk to the other. You want to learn how to correct adrenals find out what the hell is stressing them in the first place. Its not rocket science for god sakes. Problem is it takes what we call WORK which doctors do not have time to do on cases any more because they have to see 10 to 20 people a day to make their quota. .medicare doctor is 50 per day!!

 

[hardtoget]

Well for me I truly feel the cause has and always has been low testosterone. When I was on TRT I felt much better waking up slept a lot better didn't crash hardly at all. My cortisol just gets out of control when my testosterone is too low.

 

[The Matrix]

How can you base an out come or therapy when there is no clinical data or history, or detailed symptoms. Trust me what people tell you on line and what reality to 2 different worlds. When you actually have the person in front of you, on phone or Skype the truth comes out.. Then we wonder why people on the forums never get better because they blinders on and have mind already made up. FACT low testosterone is a symptoms not a cause !! Too many people treat it as a cause then some times screwing up the other systems because they where never addressed properly from the start.

True case
"I have depression and anxiety I can not sleep"

Solution and how? USE COMMON SENSE !!

"well get your lazy ass off the computer and stop whacking off to porn to early in the morning. It's causing an up regulation of excitatory neurotransmitter resulting in an imbalance in your inhibitory one so you can FREAKEN sleep"

One week problem solved.. how many psyche meds were needed - NONE, but where prescribed..

One can only take medical incompetency so much during the week….

 

[hardtoget]

Very true.

 

[The Matrix]

The reason I get bashed on the boards is because I do not follow the BS people put up. When dealing with medical professionals you need to support your facts with clinical data from published studies which medical validate them. Not "i heard on some forum or Bro science" The problem I am seeing in medicine is providers are forgetting about using common logic and sense. Being part Aspergers this drives me crazy, but it also allows me an ability other do not have. Yes I have issue communicating some times with typing because my brain moves much faster then the average person and my fingers can not keep up with rate the brain is processing information. If you have a problem with my typing, tuff sh!T, get over it. We are all not perfect from what I can see here. We all have our imperfections, but its the people with insecurity who take potshots with people who may have them..

 

[hardtoget]

I like your thinking and it sounds like you have had a similar experience as I have had with western medical physicians. Problem I ran into was in California every holistic doctor told me to cleanse keep cleansing. It didn't do jack made me worse and spent more money on supplements.

 

[Kickstart7]

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[The Matrix]

Yes now I am going around to clinics in different states educating and helping doctors to look at things from a different light. The results have been amazing with medical documented cases. I just figured out why magnesium rbc in people may not be rising despite or or IV infusions of magnesium after years of banging my head against the wall.. this is a huge break through.. amazing what can come out when you are one the sh!tter. The effect of restoration of intracellular magnesium is huge in terms of medicine. This was just one of the medical mysteries I am figuring out

 

[Gutterpump]

OP - Something that wasn't mentioned in here is that some of the trestolone converts to methyl-estrogen, which is very very potent. What you are likely feeling is a very large surge in estrogen. Trestolone requires a very good method of estrogen control when on it.

 

[hardtoget]

What is methyl estrogen anyway?

 

[money0351]

OP - Something that wasn't mentioned in here is that some of the trestolone converts to methyl-estrogen, which is very very potent. What you are likely feeling is a very large surge in estrogen. Trestolone requires a very good method of estrogen control when on it.

estrogen relates symptoms are very strong with trest. I'd definitely recommend a pharma AI when running it

 

[hardtoget]

What I find interesting is the estrogen hasn't cause much for size gains. If anything it contributes to lethargy in my body. Might take some letro tonight before I hit the gym.

 

[sammpedd88]

What I find interesting is the estrogen hasn't cause much for size gains. If anything it contributes to lethargy in my body. Might take some letro tonight before I hit the gym.

Too much estrogen can make you feel lethargic. Usually makes you look soft and retain water as well.

 

[hardtoget]

Estrogen as I have learned negatively effects thyroid hormones. Really don't know why it isn't talked about more negatively with the estrogen sides, really sucks to be honest and almost uncontrollable.

 

[sammpedd88]

Estrogen as I have learned negatively effects thyroid hormones. Really don't know why it isn't talked about more negatively with the estrogen sides, really sucks to be honest and almost uncontrollable.

Too much estrogen in a man effects lots of things.

 

[The Matrix]

Estrogen also reinforces histamine intolerance which can be enhanced by the DAO gene expression or a copper deficiency or bio-unavailability. There are so many enzymatic pathways are not being looked at with in these cases. We focus on one area and never look out side the box. The interaction between neuro- endo - immunology is higher forgotten about when looking at what many focus is only hormones..

" I have low T," - and why do you have low T?. Low T is a symptoms not a cause just like everything mentioned on here. Treat the symptoms never the cause why america is in the health jam we are today.

 

[hardtoget]

Makes a lot of sense and why I have food intolerance to gluten and dairy. Im taking Guduchi to see if this helps with my immune system. Might try the DAO enzyme in histamine blocker supplements out now for food intolerance.

 

[Chrisehyoung]

From a guy who drinks way too much coffee and preworkout, I feel your pain. Have you tried a product like AdrenoSurge? Lots of great reviews on it. That's what i'll be using when I take a stim break which hopefully doesn't kill me. Some days I find myself drinking 50-60 ounces of coffee and I know my adrenals are burnt out.

http://orbitnutrition.com/cart/fat-burners/bps-adrenosurge-60-capsules.html

 

[hardtoget]

Truth is these supplements just help assist the adrenals in making necessary hormones and build reserves. Once you've experienced a stress once again that exceeds your reserve capacity youll experience low functioning adrenal glands once again. Most physicians dont even realize how common someone experiencing a life threatening illness will go into adrenal insufficiency.

 

[The Matrix]

The problem is practitioners truly do not know how to heal the adrenals. I have a connection to one of the best adrenal and thyroid specialist in DC which I have a colleague getting ready to introduce me to. They got kicked out the state because they where using alternative methods which where actually healing people. Had to move to DC to be able to have a practice. Its really pathetic. Pracitioners focus on on part of the adrenal, but fail to look at what is depleting due to they do not have time to actually look. With the average visit being 30 minutes there is no way in hell one can do the proper research to find it. If you do not find out what is depleting adrenals you are just filling a bucket with holes with water never plugging the holes. It is truly sad how these simple solutions are so over looked.

 

[hardtoget]

Whats your opinion of having someone take an insulin tolerance test with sub optimal adrenal function. No doctor I know of does it cause of how dangerous it is but to me it would find if there is any issue with the HPTA axis. That test would kill my adrenals I know it would.

 

[The Matrix]

4 point cortisol would be much easier and provide excellent data.