2080 test level
- 07-26-2013, 12:13 PM
2080 test level
Got my results back from 12 pumps of androgel with NO dmso or phlogel...2000 fckin 80. is this even humanly possible? they did not have enough blood to process the estrogen level though. I have to go back Monday for that blood draw and #. I will request a second testosterone # just to be sure the sample was not contaminated by the gel. Between me and vida and some others we are getting some insane #'s with this stuff that gets trashed all the time for absorption. I am assuming sky high estrogen levels are the culprit for my libido/erection issues the past month. They simply must be sky high at 2k right?
- 07-26-2013, 12:15 PM
With no AI probably so.
I'm on TRT at a very high dose and my levels were 1800 with estrogen at 30. That's with .25 mg adex every two days though.
" If you're looking for a work horse.......I'm no Clydesdale."
- 07-26-2013, 12:36 PM
Before I got smart, my e2 at 1100 was in the 70's. you can expect a sky fcking high e2 level.
Bro, that high a test level isn't healthy...
07-26-2013, 01:11 PM
Thanks guys....yeah napalm my intentions were not for a 2k test level....1k yeah. I have some other #'s to list that are out of whack...both good and bad...i believe they are a direct result of that test #. will post up when i get back to work and you guys may have an opinion
07-26-2013, 01:23 PM
07-26-2013, 01:23 PM
I had my doc double my test cyp dose to 400 mg e2w, but injected 100 e7d, no AI, and over the course of 2 or so months my estrogen went over the high range. It gave me high psa levels that my endo freaked out and referred me to urologist, who gave me a biopsy. Came back negative but he now controls my trt and won't go any more than 100 mg a week for at least the next 3 months, and then we'll revisit.
So be careful going high, but if u do and use AI u must go small dose and work up. I used anastrozole once at .25 eod and had the worst golfers elbow. At 100 mg e7d I won't need AI, do I think the best test dose is one where u don't need AI.
07-26-2013, 01:25 PM
^^^ my life's focus now is to educate trt newbs.!
When DONE RIGHT, an ai is not necessary...
07-26-2013, 01:52 PM
Hdl 36 (>39)
ldl 115 (0-99)
bun 22 (9-20)
alkaline phosphate 30 (44-102)
alt 46 (0-44)
hematocrit 51.4 (37.5-51)
I'm aware that high test levels adversely affect hdl/ldl ratio and of course RBC levels....but liver values as well ?? i haven't been on a methyl in months so i guess its the test despite it being topical.
07-26-2013, 01:55 PM
07-26-2013, 01:56 PM
U got big buns! Sorry, couldn't resist. I too had similar numbers as a result of high test and est. Threw everything out of whack.
07-26-2013, 02:02 PM
07-26-2013, 02:04 PM
Curious, any reason u prefer androgel over other gels, like Testim?
07-26-2013, 02:04 PM
All in all, not bad...
07-26-2013, 02:05 PM
Why not just inject?
07-26-2013, 02:07 PM
07-26-2013, 02:10 PM
07-26-2013, 02:12 PM
I had used testim as part of my protocol, along with injections, and my endo asked why not androgel and seemed to be "pushing"it as if some kind of promo going on. Several times she kept asking if I wanted to try androgel instead. Not Axleron (AxleRipOff if u ask me) or any other gel, only Androgel. Odd.
07-26-2013, 02:16 PM
07-26-2013, 02:19 PM
07-26-2013, 04:25 PM
07-26-2013, 04:30 PM
07-26-2013, 04:43 PM
But I set up an estrogen plus re-test of testosterone appt. for Monday, just to be sure. I will not apply on my arms saturday and sunday, wrists I must use to spread it out but......and I will wash my arms thoroughly (I did this on last Monday as well, but maybe I fcked up, who knows). I just can't believe you can get to 2000+ on androgel of ANY amount of pumps w/o DMSO or phlogel. I will say I am on 5 pumps of transaderm, so maybe that DHEA and Pregnenolone is bumping up the testosterone total #....just can't see it having that much of an effect, I assume (using my 687 # from 8 pumps) that I'd be 1,000-1,150 max on 12 pumps....but I tested w/o DHEA/Preg for the 687 test, this time I was on full blown DHEA/Preg. Not sure how badly that is skewing my #.
08-01-2013, 10:54 PM
Damn crazy high T numbers! But your other bloodwork numbers really don't seem bad. Keep us posted bro.
What happened with the Phlojel? I thought you were running that with your Androgel?
08-01-2013, 11:15 PM
08-02-2013, 06:12 AM
08-02-2013, 08:03 AM
Dude, wtf? Get off the gel and start injecting.
08-02-2013, 10:32 AM
08-02-2013, 10:34 AM
08-02-2013, 10:38 AM
08-02-2013, 11:07 AM
08-02-2013, 11:31 AM
With you test being so high DHEA will convert to other things, like estrogen. I read where one persons test was 1300 on only two pumps of AndroGel. It turns out that he was rubbing it on his inner arms and then have blood drawing from that same area. This apparently skews the results. He was also being tested about an hour after application. Test levels peak shortly after application so it's better to wait until later in the day.
P.S. How can you afford AndroGel at 12 pumps/day?
08-02-2013, 12:01 PM
08-02-2013, 12:48 PM
More is not better, better is better...
08-02-2013, 12:55 PM
08-02-2013, 04:42 PM
"Total estrogens" 165 (40-115 Pg/Ml) HIGH
Progesterone 1.6 (.2-1.4 Ng/Ml) HIGH
Prolactin 7.2 (4-15.2 Ng/Ml)
And I thought prolactin was the problem I had to get an appt with an endo since the GP cried he would lose his license for prescribing arimidex to a TRT patient lol I demanded a referral to an endo so he was happy to give it to me this time. Is my prolactin too high? seems above the middle.....and progesterone, is that something I should be concerned about? Not so familiar with progesterone.
08-02-2013, 05:10 PM
I apply progesterone cream daily. It's good for both men and women. High estro especially E2 is a big problem. It's pretty well been confirmed that it is the primary cause of prostate cancer in men and breast cancer in women.
08-02-2013, 06:21 PM
08-02-2013, 06:55 PM
08-02-2013, 07:52 PM
08-02-2013, 10:29 PM
No PSA, and he even mentioned it last year and "checked my prostate" for me .....I have some PSA kits laying around here from my previous andractim orders....never used them, not sure how accurate they are.
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