Pregnenalone or dhea with no trt

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  1. Pregnenalone or dhea with no trt


    If I'm not able to get TRT, is it feasible to take pregnenalone and/or dhea in sufficient quantities along with an aromatase inhibitor - to prevent conversion to estrogen, as a means of attaining higher testosterone levels?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by w8lifter View Post
    If I'm not able to get TRT, is it feasible to take pregnenalone and/or dhea in sufficient quantities along with an aromatase inhibitor - to prevent conversion to estrogen, as a means of attaining higher testosterone levels?
    Why not get some clomid?
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  3. Some people go that route to raise testosterone if they're not quite ready to go on the trt for life yet.

  4. Can't get a prescription for Clomid. But what would Clomid do in this situation? the aromatase inhibitor I have is leftovers, so I have a bunch of it.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by w8lifter View Post
    Can't get a prescription for Clomid. But what would Clomid do in this situation? the aromatase inhibitor I have is leftovers, so I have a bunch of it.
    It is a SERM and it's very well known for raising testosterone levels
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  6. Depending on your age Preg & DHEA might be a nice combo for you to take but I would not expect a dramatic increase in T levels. I do think you may notice more in the way of a greater sense of well being and just felling better overall. I dont think I would be too concerend with an AI depending on your DHEA dosage. Transdermal and MLM are the only two delivery methods I would consider for either of these products.

  7. The better transdermal DHEA products have pregnenolone already included, along with trans-rez and an assortment of anti-estrogen ingredients. And as mentioned above they absorb way better.....but keeping estrogen in check is always a good thing anyways, so long as you don't crush it. You have to be careful using an AI in that regard. Erase or EP are probably better adjuncts to a topical DHEA products to be honest. For OTC just use OTC if you ask me.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by w8lifter View Post
    Can't get a prescription for Clomid.
    Clomid is very easy to get.

  9. I'll research use of clomid, but Vinny, do I use it alone or with dhea/preg?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by w8lifter View Post
    I'll research use of clomid, but Vinny, do I use it alone or with dhea/preg?
    It wouldn't hurt.

  11. Some people who were headed for life long trt were able to get there testosterone levels up with the use of clomid.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Vinnyboombots View Post
    Clomid is very easy to get.
    I would go out on a limb here and say the majority of the RC and "overseas/canadian pharm" clomid is fake. If I didn't get it from my local pharmacy I wouldn't use it.......UNLESS I was illegally cycling and needed a PCT and had to roll the dice (which has happened in the past...but my source was really legit). But for someone who legit wants to get his natural test level up, no reason a doctor would not prescribe it. Might need to doctor shop to find one who knows WTF is up of course.....

    And yes Clomid plus topical DHEA/Preg would be a good double whammy for raising test levels. The clomid is for a short course only though...until you get to where you want to be...then you stop taking it and hope your test levels hold steady and don't dip (It will make you a whiny bitch BTW), the DHEA you can stay on as long as you want.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    I would go out on a limb here and say the majority of the RC and "overseas/canadian pharm" clomid is fake. If I didn't get it from my local pharmacy I wouldn't use it.......UNLESS I was illegally cycling and needed a PCT and had to roll the dice (which has happened in the past...but my source was really legit). But for someone who legit wants to get his natural test level up, no reason a doctor would not prescribe it. Might need to doctor shop to find one who knows WTF is up of course.....

    And yes Clomid plus topical DHEA/Preg would be a good double whammy for raising test levels. The clomid is for a short course only though...until you get to where you want to be...then you stop taking it and hope your test levels hold steady and don't dip (It will make you a whiny bitch BTW), the DHEA you can stay on as long as you want.
    I can tell you for a fact that in the case of a few research companies that I have worked with in a research context this is inaccurate...Yes I had blood work done on my research animals. Also clomiphene citrate is not hard to import for research purpose's only so it would not be beneficial for a company to ruin their own reputation by putting out fake clomiphene citrate. But if your worried you can also import for yourself from a pharma source but the tabs are hard to make a bunny eat.

    Also here is a good read if you wondering about the validity of clomiphene citrate as a replacement for HRT.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/clomiphenehormonetherapy.html
    ForeRunner Labs
    The Future of Human Performance
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    I would go out on a limb here and say the majority of the RC and "overseas/canadian pharm" clomid is fake. If I didn't get it from my local pharmacy I wouldn't use it.......UNLESS I was illegally cycling and needed a PCT and had to roll the dice (which has happened in the past...but my source was really legit). But for someone who legit wants to get his natural test level up, no reason a doctor would not prescribe it. Might need to doctor shop to find one who knows WTF is up of course.....
    You're shopping at the wrong RC site lol.. I know more than a few that are definitely Legit.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Vinnyboombots View Post
    You're shopping at the wrong RC site lol.. I know more than a few that are definitely Legit.
    If its for legit health purposes? I'm getting a script and doing it right. Period.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    I can tell you for a fact that in the case of a few research companies that I have worked with in a research context this is inaccurate...Yes I had blood work done on my research animals. Also clomiphene citrate is not hard to import for research purpose's only so it would not be beneficial for a company to ruin their own reputation by putting out fake clomiphene citrate. But if your worried you can also import for yourself from a pharma source but the tabs are hard to make a bunny eat.

    Also here is a good read if you wondering about the validity of clomiphene citrate as a replacement for HRT.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/clomiphenehormonetherapy.html
    so this is all 100% legit clomid? I doubt it, again....if its for my legitimate health related issue? I'm getting a script for it, not running around on the black market to find it. its hit and miss, I know plenty of people who got bunk clomid including myself on occasion.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    so this is all 100% legit clomid? I doubt it, again....if its for my legitimate health related issue? I'm getting a script for it, not running around on the black market to find it. its hit and miss, I know plenty of people who got bunk clomid including myself on occasion.
    There are plenty of research sites that sell legitimate clomid.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    so this is all 100% legit clomid? I doubt it, again....if its for my legitimate health related issue? I'm getting a script for it, not running around on the black market to find it. its hit and miss, I know plenty of people who got bunk clomid including myself on occasion.
    It is 100% legal to import and yes it is 100% legit I really do not know what else to tell you, just do not trust everyone but if the company has a good reputation its probably clomiphene citrate. If your worried go with pharma grade from India or do you think buying directly from their medical suppliers will give you false clomiphene also because you can order from the same companies who supply their medical community. I am not trying to bash you if you have a script great! you have it made but I would not worry about RC clomiphene its more then likely legit now if we are talking caber I would have to agree a lot of bunk stuff out there.
    ForeRunner Labs
    The Future of Human Performance
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html

  19. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    It is 100% legal to import and yes it is 100% legit I really do not know what else to tell you, just do not trust everyone but if the company has a good reputation its probably clomiphene citrate. If your worried go with pharma grade from India or do you think buying directly from their medical suppliers will give you false clomiphene also because you can order from the same companies who supply their medical community. I am not trying to bash you if you have a script great! you have it made but I would not worry about RC clomiphene its more then likely legit now if we are talking caber I would have to agree a lot of bunk stuff out there.
    so according to your logic, If I am getting on TRT....I just go get some random test from some random supplier? No need to go to the doc and get a script right? It will be legit stuff! Makes no sense to play russian roulette with your test or clomid or AI or whatever. I will just get a script for whatever I need to fix my test levels. If I'm going to run some random cycle? That is another story. If I am trying to raise my test level or get on TRT? I'm going to the doctor, getting a script, and doing it right. I don't know how better to explain this to you guys.......I'm at a loss.....

  20. Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    There are plenty of research sites that sell legitimate clomid.
    100% legit? you vouching for every RC site? Thats what I thought..........

  21. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    so according to your logic, If I am getting on TRT....I just go get some random test from some random supplier? No need to go to the doc and get a script right? It will be legit stuff! Makes no sense to play russian roulette with your test or clomid or AI or whatever. I will just get a script for whatever I need to fix my test levels. If I'm going to run some random cycle? That is another story. If I am trying to raise my test level or get on TRT? I'm going to the doctor, getting a script, and doing it right. I don't know how better to explain this to you guys.......I'm at a loss.....
    My logic says the blood work is legit you can assume what you will I did not infer anything was for a human simply that it has consistently tested legitimate. As I stated earlier good for you that you have a script, that is not always plausible for everyone on this site so it maybe in everyone's best interest to use a reputable RC company when ordering.. I cant vouch for all sites nor would I, I know of a select few who are 100% legit and I know the owner of at least one site who has all raw powders tested you will not get any more "legit" then that. Also I take issue with your inference that I play russian roulette I am very very careful with any and all research I do. Including multiple bloods done on my research subjects during said research. This may not be how everyone does their own research but I myself have access to very good lab work via a very large company who specializes in the pharma field.



    And before someone sends me a PM asking no I will not share the site who tests their chemicals this conversations is borderline enough as it is.
    ForeRunner Labs
    The Future of Human Performance
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html

  22. Quote Originally Posted by harbonah View Post
    My logic says the blood work is legit you can assume what you will I did not infer anything was for a human simply that it has consistently tested legitimate. As I stated earlier good for you that you have a script, that is not always plausible for everyone on this site so it maybe in everyone's best interest to use a reputable RC company when ordering.. I cant vouch for all sites nor would I, I know of a select few who are 100% legit and I know the owner of at least one site who has all raw powders tested you will not get any more "legit" then that. Also I take issue with your inference that I play russian roulette I am very very careful with any and all research I do. Including multiple bloods done on my research subjects during said research. This may not be how everyone does their own research but I myself have access to very good lab work via a very large company who specializes in the pharma field.



    And before someone sends me a PM asking no I will not share the site who tests their chemicals this conversations is borderline enough as it is.
    All I'm going to say is that its piss poor advice to recommend to a guy looking to raise his endogenous test levels that he use RC sites for his clomid. How if its bunk clomid? Then his levels don't raise? And he says "oh OK I tried clomid and it didn't work...so I'll just get on TRT (or whatever protocol)". Maybe if he used US pharmacy grade Clomid prescribed by a doctor, he would have adjusted his test levels to where he wanted to be, and lived happily ever after w/o needing TRT. Raising your endogenous test and/or getting on TRT is serious business, and should be done in the doctors office. I think many of you guys commenting in here are either A) are not on TRT or B) are well under the age of 40 or C) Have never diagnosed with low testosterone (other than post cycle). This being the reason for the bad advice I see in here. And to make things worse, You state you have a legit blood tested site you order from....but you are not going to tell this guy where this site is....leaving him to his own devices to choose an RC site that MIGHT have legit clomid.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    All I'm going to say is that its piss poor advice to recommend to a guy looking to raise his endogenous test levels that he use RC sites for his clomid. How if its bunk clomid? Then his levels don't raise? And he says "oh OK I tried clomid and it didn't work...so I'll just get on TRT (or whatever protocol)". Maybe if he used US pharmacy grade Clomid prescribed by a doctor, he would have adjusted his test levels to where he wanted to be, and lived happily ever after w/o needing TRT. Raising your endogenous test and/or getting on TRT is serious business, and should be done in the doctors office. I think many of you guys commenting in here are either A) are not on TRT or B) are well under the age of 40 or C) Have never diagnosed with low testosterone (other than post cycle). This being the reason for the bad advice I see in here. And to make things worse, You state you have a legit blood tested site you order from....but you are not going to tell this guy where this site is....leaving him to his own devices to choose an RC site that MIGHT have legit clomid.
    It is breaking the rules so no I won't share...yes I have done my own research as should he and you... Yes I have TRT and my own script for the AI that goes with that....stamping something with a magic FDA APPROVED OR USA made does not make it real. The lab testing that is used is all that matters its simple science either the chemical is real or false or varying degrees of impurities and or dosing...

    Now ill really scare you most of the chemicals used in these FDA drugs are manufactured in another country and omg...imported here to the companies.. I am speaking directly about one of the largest drug companies in the world and doing so from inside knowledge....


    Now since you seem to think only things with a script are "legitimate" why don't you tell me about where you are getting these hormones for your "random cycles" ? How are you sure the company "otc" or UGL are testing each batch why would you take it if not...if you want to nitpic posts I can do the same with yours. Although I abhorred these random Ethug posts..

    I'm assuming you ran into a research scam in the past sure they do happen, and that's why I always say priority one is blood work!!! Do you know that most would recover with out A SERM...but I digress from my main points.....
    ForeRunner Labs
    The Future of Human Performance
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/229429-my-fat-mess.html

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    100% legit? you vouching for every RC site? Thats what I thought..........
    I would estimate that 95% of the people on this website get there serm/ai from a research website and are very happy. You obviously don't have the knowledge to find a reputable source.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post

    I would estimate that 95% of the people on this website get there serm/ai from a research website and are very happy. You obviously don't have the knowledge to find a reputable source.
    You people are just not comprehending my post
    . .this has zero to do with "finding a reputable source" lmfao and everything to do with taking proper precautions in regards to your health by using a doctors supervision.... But you go boys, you badass black market cowboys! I'll continue to use the doctors office for matters pertaining to my hormone levels or cardiovascular etc. fools.
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