Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback
- 06-30-2013, 02:33 PM
Hey thanks for that response. Yes, that seems to echoing what I have heard actually. I have also heard conflicting reports about the DHT, however and is it true that in some places in Europe, they prescribe DHT to actually aid prostate hyperplasia?
Maybe I read it wrong but I cannot find that now.
I also seemed to read somewhere that some guys put the gel on areas with little to no actual hair follicles ie: their sides of ribs say, since there are less sites there!?
Do you know if there are any men reporting "more hair loss" after being on the gel for say 6-12 months?
- 06-30-2013, 02:51 PM
But as for hair loss, I suppose I am one of the lucky ones who gets really no additional fallout despite using androgel AND DHT gel. I do go out of my way to use azelaic acid, topical spiro, nizoral on my head daily, and I found that nettle extract works well as a nutritional supplement for hair fallout. But I know many guys who report increased hair loss after extended periods of time on the androgel. many of whom post on this board (they may comment if they see this thread). Funny enough my balls did not shrink either despite being on a pretty hefty dose of androgel. Like I said, I must be lucky.....or I'm supplementing appropriately to combat these issues....or both.
- 06-30-2013, 02:58 PM
About the phlogel and getting test this coming week.....the distributor just emailed me that he got slammed on orders since he gave a heads up on an upcoming price increase, so he is sold out and won't be able to ship my order until sometime next week (maybe). I only have a few days worth left and was counting on this 500g jar getting here by wednesday....so there will be a break in phlogel application and I won't be able to get tested for a few more weeks. oh well. Guess I'll use the DMSO in the interim.
06-30-2013, 10:25 PM
First time "poster" here. Please excuse my ignorance when it comes to abbreviation's and some of the lingo.
I'm a 44 year old man with a strong athletic background in weight training and wrestling. About three months ago I spoke to my family doctor about feelings of fatigue and low energy levels. She did a blood panel on me and found I had mild "hypothyroidism". She also told me my "test" levels were 366. She gave me a scrip of levothyroxin for the thyroid issue and asked if I would like a scrip of "androgel". I agreed and began taking both medications. I was taking a 25mg tablet for thyroid and 2 pumps of 1.62 androgel a day. Immediately I felt a "stirring" inside myself that I have not felt in years. Every aspect of my "masculinity" was affected. Made excellent gains at the gym, My libido could ***** John Holmes, and I felt like the God of Thunder in the flesh. This went on for one month and I Went to my next doctors visit. After another full panel of blood work my thyroid levels came back normal and my "test levels" were 1007. I was ecstatic at this point and was making great strides at the gym. This went on for another month. Then I started to feel a "change". My energy levels seemed to had dropped slightly and I didn't have that same sense of well being I had before. After a few more weeks I was physically exhausted and psychologically drained. Workouts literally became "painful". My libido was "dead".It was at this point I began researching my symptoms "online" and found this site. I immediately stopped taking the androgel until I could find out more about what it was that caused my symptoms. The first few days without the androgel were rough but after 3 or 4 days I started to feel a little better. After a couple weeks I felt normal again. From the research I've done on this site and a few others I believe my estrogen levels may have spiked in response to the introduction of so much testosterone and caused my symptoms. I know I should have gotten blood work done but like I said I'm new to this site and still learning. I have another doctors appointment in 4 weeks and plan on telling my doctor about my experience,s. I would really like to possibly cycle with the gel from time to time but don't want to screw my system up again. If anyone could give advice or offer suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. Thought about discussing some type of estrogen blocker if my levels come back high. Any thoughts would be "helpful".
06-30-2013, 10:34 PM
Alright I just placed my order for the Phlojel Ultra. I will keep you guys posted on my results with the Axiron gel and Phlojel Ultra combination.
07-01-2013, 12:29 PM
07-01-2013, 01:41 PM
Regarding Androgel 1% vs 1.62%. I know that 1.62% has a higher concentration. However, does anyone know if it also has a higher absorption rate versus the 1%?
07-01-2013, 04:47 PM
07-01-2013, 08:29 PM
07-01-2013, 08:55 PM
As for the Phlojel, I don't believe he is a representative for this product.....but he may be, I do not know for sure of course. Either way though, if we are in an anti-aging forum where androgel/axiron etc are known treatments used to raise test in 35+ men,, its totally fair game to talk about DMSO or phlojel or whatever dermal carrier that has proven effective. This is simply a way to improve the absorption of an anti-aging medicine. So the discussion of transdermal carriers that increase absorption of test gels is about as far from trolling as humanly possible. The guy never even posted a site, or suggested we google domestic phlojel, or anything of the sort. BTW, if you don't want to order phlojel the name brand product....you can get PLO gel kits from Malaysia that you mix up yourself and save a tremendous amount of money. It's and aqueous plus a an organic combination that you can mix up yourself and/or add in your drug straight into the mixture.
07-02-2013, 02:22 PM
Axiron Gel was not my first choice for my TRT treatment but my insurance would not cover Androgel and Axiron had a company promo for only $25 bucks a month. And unfortunately, my doc wont go for the shots.
And yes I am willing to put another compound onto my armpits after I apply my Axiron gel. If it has the potential to bring my numbers from 400 to 800 then yes that would be worth it to me. I figure It's worth a shot at least.
07-02-2013, 02:58 PM
Try to put the Axiron on diff. areas of your body, shoulders, bottom of forearms are good places.
Also search for alternatives because the $25 promo will run out and then what?
I was on axiron for over a year, two hours after applying was as high as 1200, 1000, and 800. But you get a severe drop after that, too big of a drop, sometimes, 500, 300, or below 200. It does not seem to get you at a stable level. Which I realize is a daily application but what a daily rollercoaster.
07-02-2013, 10:50 PM
P.S.: twice a day application with topical test gels, try it some time......voila! no rollercoaster. Although I don't believe you about these 400-800 point dips in less than 24 hours...I think once a day application is adequate, but not optimal by any means (reason for my twice a day application).
07-02-2013, 11:13 PM
07-02-2013, 11:32 PM
07-02-2013, 11:42 PM
Calm down dude lay off the caffeine. Geeez, no need to comment back I'm done with you.
07-02-2013, 11:54 PM
07-04-2013, 02:34 AM
Here are my actual lab results from applying the 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% along with Phlojel Ultra. How do they look? What are the risks of maintaining a total testosterone leveof 1205 long-term, besides possible elevated PSA values?
Testosterone Total: 1205 ng/dl, reference interval: 241-827
SHBG: 34 NMOL/L, reference interval: 13-71
Testosterone Free (calc): 294 pg/ml, reference interval: 35-180
Testosterone Free % 2.5%: reference interval: 1.0-.27
07-04-2013, 02:35 AM
07-04-2013, 09:40 PM
Provided you feel good at that level, which is what really matters, and you monitor estrogen, PSA, any cardiovascular concerns etc....and they are not out of whack, I don't see a problem with it. Although being over 1000 chronically is asking for trouble eventually if you ask me.....some of these things are bound to get out of whack and you'll be chasing after them with AI's and prostate supps or BP meds etc. You'll end up pissed off and decide to lower to a more manageable level like 700-800-900 or whatever.
07-04-2013, 11:30 PM
Thanks, that's great advice. I actually do feel pretty stellar now with my total test at 1205. Any opinions from you (or anyone) on my free test values?
I've basically tripled my total test within about 2 months and the most significant side effect is fat loss I've dropped about 8lbs and kept my muscle mass for the most part, and I haven't been changing too much with my diet, which has been a partial intermittent fasting diet a few days a week. I've set a new PR on my decline bench at 415lbs and my strength is still on par or better than it was prior to HRT. My libido fluctuates alot though and has much larger spikes, my endurance is awesome both in/out of the gym, I'm sleeping less, and I definitely have an Alpha male complex, great self-esteem, and just a general better sense of well-being. In 2 months I'm getting another full blood profile to test for PSA and estrogen, though from my last test my SBHG value was pretty low which I believe indicates my estrogen is not spiking. I have not had any sore nips nor bloating similar to what I experienced on my past AndroBulk PH cycles, and I definitely fell a hell of alot healthier than taking those oral PH supplements. I'll probably keep everything in check and drop reduce my Androgel a bit this fall to cycle down to the 700/800s.
I hope this thread we've been documenting with our results helps other folks over 35 in their quest to improve their T levels, safely and responsibly.
07-05-2013, 07:44 AM
Thats great results man good on you!! In 23 and just started Testogel! Im gonna starting using phlojel ultra just by seeing ylur results!! Id love to be at those levels as im only about 250, all the best to you and great news!!!
07-05-2013, 10:16 PM
But yeah....test really rips the fat off of me like crazy. I'd say I get 80% or more fat loss and 20% or less added muscle mass while on test.....its always burned fat for me never did all that much for me in regards to muscle mass, even when I cycled it when I was younger. But that is fine, there are other things I can take for muscle mass....so long as the test keeps my fat in check, its all good.
07-06-2013, 03:02 AM
Yeah, definitely this Androgel is nuking my past stubborn fat that never went away previously! What's crazy is I've even dialed back my cardio to only 5 min for warm up every day and no other steady-state or interval training, and I'm losing fat like freakin' crazy. On the 4th of July I weighed myself and I finally broke the 200 barrier down to 199lbs, and I haven't done that in years and that as on a serious low carb/high protein diet. My general 1.5hr resistance training 5 days/week has been extremely effective with no additional cardio, which I like to maintain my muscle mass. I eat away muscle to quickly with cardio and consider myself more of a hard muscle gainer. BTW...how did you determine that your test levels were dropping where you had to apply more Andrgel in the afternoon/evening? Is that still the case if you apply Phlogel to your morning application? That reminds me, I need to order a 500g tub of that Phlogel to stock up! Maybe later this year I research how to acquire the raw ingredients and make it myself.
07-06-2013, 02:26 PM
07-07-2013, 04:00 AM
07-09-2013, 06:11 AM
07-09-2013, 06:26 PM
The testosterone gel 1.62% I order from Androrxshop contains around 10% DMSO for transdermal. I've noticed a much better absorption than my prescribed Androgel. Sometimes the site goes down as its hosted by some malaysian host, but they always return my emails, and always get my product. Anyways, good luck with the experimentations guys. I'm interested to hear how things go.
07-10-2013, 11:28 AM
I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!
07-10-2013, 01:47 PM
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