Androgel 1.62% Review/Feedback

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  1. Hey thanks for that response. Yes, that seems to echoing what I have heard actually. I have also heard conflicting reports about the DHT, however and is it true that in some places in Europe, they prescribe DHT to actually aid prostate hyperplasia?
    Maybe I read it wrong but I cannot find that now.
    I also seemed to read somewhere that some guys put the gel on areas with little to no actual hair follicles ie: their sides of ribs say, since there are less sites there!?
    Do you know if there are any men reporting "more hair loss" after being on the gel for say 6-12 months?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
    Hey thanks for that response. Yes, that seems to echoing what I have heard actually. I have also heard conflicting reports about the DHT, however and is it true that in some places in Europe, they prescribe DHT to actually aid prostate hyperplasia?
    Maybe I read it wrong but I cannot find that now.
    I also seemed to read somewhere that some guys put the gel on areas with little to no actual hair follicles ie: their sides of ribs say, since there are less sites there!?
    Do you know if there are any men reporting "more hair loss" after being on the gel for say 6-12 months?
    Yeah recently estrogen has been found guilty of causing prostate issues, and DHT found 'not guilty' lol. There is a recent swing towards estrogen being the culprit for prostate issues. As far as DHT helping with BPH? not so sure on that one, but its possible. I actually also use andractim, the DHT gel, and I apply some down in the groin area and some on the lower chest...hoping to combat some pre-existing gyno issues. Andractim worked fairly well last time I had gyno issues, but I did use it in concert with a lot of DHT type gear (winny, masteron etc.) as well as anti-estrogens way back when. I still put a pump or two of androgel down there as well even though I am already using DHT gel. I always apply on shoulders, upper chest, arms and lower abdomen area (below the belly button, top of quads bottom of abdomen). I have to use additional areas since I apply so many pumps and apply twice a day. But i try to incorporate traps and delts every application....I do rub some around the flank (side) and upper abs when I go to rub off the excess from my wrists (which I use to apply instead of gloves or bare hands). But I don't apply in this area 'on purpose'.

    But as for hair loss, I suppose I am one of the lucky ones who gets really no additional fallout despite using androgel AND DHT gel. I do go out of my way to use azelaic acid, topical spiro, nizoral on my head daily, and I found that nettle extract works well as a nutritional supplement for hair fallout. But I know many guys who report increased hair loss after extended periods of time on the androgel. many of whom post on this board (they may comment if they see this thread). Funny enough my balls did not shrink either despite being on a pretty hefty dose of androgel. Like I said, I must be lucky.....or I'm supplementing appropriately to combat these issues....or both.
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  3. About the phlogel and getting test this coming week.....the distributor just emailed me that he got slammed on orders since he gave a heads up on an upcoming price increase, so he is sold out and won't be able to ship my order until sometime next week (maybe). I only have a few days worth left and was counting on this 500g jar getting here by wednesday....so there will be a break in phlogel application and I won't be able to get tested for a few more weeks. oh well. Guess I'll use the DMSO in the interim.

  4. First time "poster" here. Please excuse my ignorance when it comes to abbreviation's and some of the lingo.

    I'm a 44 year old man with a strong athletic background in weight training and wrestling. About three months ago I spoke to my family doctor about feelings of fatigue and low energy levels. She did a blood panel on me and found I had mild "hypothyroidism". She also told me my "test" levels were 366. She gave me a scrip of levothyroxin for the thyroid issue and asked if I would like a scrip of "androgel". I agreed and began taking both medications. I was taking a 25mg tablet for thyroid and 2 pumps of 1.62 androgel a day. Immediately I felt a "stirring" inside myself that I have not felt in years. Every aspect of my "masculinity" was affected. Made excellent gains at the gym, My libido could ***** John Holmes, and I felt like the God of Thunder in the flesh. This went on for one month and I Went to my next doctors visit. After another full panel of blood work my thyroid levels came back normal and my "test levels" were 1007. I was ecstatic at this point and was making great strides at the gym. This went on for another month. Then I started to feel a "change". My energy levels seemed to had dropped slightly and I didn't have that same sense of well being I had before. After a few more weeks I was physically exhausted and psychologically drained. Workouts literally became "painful". My libido was "dead".It was at this point I began researching my symptoms "online" and found this site. I immediately stopped taking the androgel until I could find out more about what it was that caused my symptoms. The first few days without the androgel were rough but after 3 or 4 days I started to feel a little better. After a couple weeks I felt normal again. From the research I've done on this site and a few others I believe my estrogen levels may have spiked in response to the introduction of so much testosterone and caused my symptoms. I know I should have gotten blood work done but like I said I'm new to this site and still learning. I have another doctors appointment in 4 weeks and plan on telling my doctor about my experience,s. I would really like to possibly cycle with the gel from time to time but don't want to screw my system up again. If anyone could give advice or offer suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. Thought about discussing some type of estrogen blocker if my levels come back high. Any thoughts would be "helpful".

  5. Alright I just placed my order for the Phlojel Ultra. I will keep you guys posted on my results with the Axiron gel and Phlojel Ultra combination.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post
    Alright I just placed my order for the Phlojel Ultra. I will keep you guys posted on my results with the Axiron gel and Phlojel Ultra combination.
    I feel like the posters in this thread are a bunch of trollers, please let's keep this forum for its intended purpose.

  7. Regarding Androgel 1% vs 1.62%. I know that 1.62% has a higher concentration. However, does anyone know if it also has a higher absorption rate versus the 1%?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Drop D View Post
    Regarding Androgel 1% vs 1.62%. I know that 1.62% has a higher concentration. However, does anyone know if it also has a higher absorption rate versus the 1%?
    Nope....just higher concentration hope that wasn't considered trolling lol

  9. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Nope....just higher concentration hope that wasn't considered trolling lol
    No the sales pitch for phylogel is trolling, seriously this elrock guy is actually going to put deodorant, androgel and phylogel under his pits get real. People will do anything to try and sell there products.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post
    No the sales pitch for phylogel is trolling, seriously this elrock guy is actually going to put deodorant, androgel and phylogel under his pits get real. People will do anything to try and sell there products.
    Well, we have a few points here to address. Axiron is retarded, I 100% agree with you....the whole "lets make our product apply to a specific random oddball bodypart to set it apart from other test gels" is about the dumbest marketing approach I've ever heard of. That being said, if I wanted to take the time to shave my pits....I just might apply 2 of my 12 pumps there just to vary my application points. But shoulders (traps/delts) and upper arms, and upper chest/neck, along with wrists and underside of forearms, are the best areas to apply in my estimation....pits were the farthest thing from my mind, although the skin there seems to be pretty thin and sweaty, which are two positives in regards to absorption.

    As for the Phlojel, I don't believe he is a representative for this product.....but he may be, I do not know for sure of course. Either way though, if we are in an anti-aging forum where androgel/axiron etc are known treatments used to raise test in 35+ men,, its totally fair game to talk about DMSO or phlojel or whatever dermal carrier that has proven effective. This is simply a way to improve the absorption of an anti-aging medicine. So the discussion of transdermal carriers that increase absorption of test gels is about as far from trolling as humanly possible. The guy never even posted a site, or suggested we google domestic phlojel, or anything of the sort. BTW, if you don't want to order phlojel the name brand product....you can get PLO gel kits from Malaysia that you mix up yourself and save a tremendous amount of money. It's and aqueous plus a an organic combination that you can mix up yourself and/or add in your drug straight into the mixture.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post

    No the sales pitch for phylogel is trolling, seriously this elrock guy is actually going to put deodorant, androgel and phylogel under his pits get real. People will do anything to try and sell there products.
    LOL @ me being a sales rep for Phlojel! I don't even live in the same country as the makers of the Phlogel nor could I even tell you the company name who makes it without searching for it first. I have never even heard of it before last week. You can view all my previous posts on and see I have never mentioned this product before. Now, that I have done my research on it I'm going to give it a go and see if it improves my TRT gel numbers. So I was going to share my experience with it here in this section. In hopes to help someone else out wether it is beneficial or not for me. That's what we're all pretty much doing on here in the anti-aging section. You see the trolling and sells pitches are in the supplement section.

    Axiron Gel was not my first choice for my TRT treatment but my insurance would not cover Androgel and Axiron had a company promo for only $25 bucks a month. And unfortunately, my doc wont go for the shots.
    And yes I am willing to put another compound onto my armpits after I apply my Axiron gel. If it has the potential to bring my numbers from 400 to 800 then yes that would be worth it to me. I figure It's worth a shot at least.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by ELROCK View Post

    LOL @ me being a sales rep for Phlojel! I don't even live in the same country as the makers of the Phlogel nor could I even tell you the company name who makes it without searching for it first. I have never even heard of it before last week. You can view all my previous posts on and see I have never mentioned this product before. Now, that I have done my research on it I'm going to give it a go and see if it improves my TRT gel numbers. So I was going to share my experience with it here in this section. In hopes to help someone else out wether it is beneficial or not for me. That's what we're all pretty much doing on here in the anti-aging section. You see the trolling and sells pitches are in the supplement section.

    Axiron Gel was not my first choice for my TRT treatment but my insurance would not cover Androgel and Axiron had a company promo for only $25 bucks a month. And unfortunately, my doc wont go for the shots.
    And yes I am willing to put another compound onto my armpits after I apply my Axiron gel. If it has the potential to bring my numbers from 400 to 800 then yes that would be worth it to me. I figure It's worth a shot at least.
    Whatever works, sorry if I offended, but you and the anabolic fellow sounded like an infomercial. Good luck to you.

    Try to put the Axiron on diff. areas of your body, shoulders, bottom of forearms are good places.

    Also search for alternatives because the $25 promo will run out and then what?

    I was on axiron for over a year, two hours after applying was as high as 1200, 1000, and 800. But you get a severe drop after that, too big of a drop, sometimes, 500, 300, or below 200. It does not seem to get you at a stable level. Which I realize is a daily application but what a daily rollercoaster.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post
    Whatever works, sorry if I offended, but you and the anabolic fellow sounded like an infomercial. Good luck to you.

    Try to put the Axiron on diff. areas of your body, shoulders, bottom of forearms are good places.

    Also search for alternatives because the $25 promo will run out and then what?

    I was on axiron for over a year, two hours after applying was as high as 1200, 1000, and 800. But you get a severe drop after that, too big of a drop, sometimes, 500, 300, or below 200. It does not seem to get you at a stable level. Which I realize is a daily application but what a daily rollercoaster.
    Are you mental or something? You need a psychological evaluation, never mind testosterone and estrogen bloods.

    P.S.: twice a day application with topical test gels, try it some time......voila! no rollercoaster. Although I don't believe you about these 400-800 point dips in less than 24 hours...I think once a day application is adequate, but not optimal by any means (reason for my twice a day application).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    Are you mental or something? You need a psychological evaluation, never mind testosterone and estrogen bloods.

    P.S.: twice a day application with topical test gels, try it some time......voila! no rollercoaster. Although I don't believe you about these 400-800 point dips in less than 24 hours...I think once a day application is adequate, but not optimal by any means (reason for my twice a day application).

    Go back to sniffing your phylogel my friend. No need for the name calling, just providing my experience with Axiron. So fuk off.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post
    Go back to sniffing your phylogel my friend. I've moved on from the gels and most of you gel users will also. No need for the name calling, just providing my experience with Axiron. So fuk off.
    name calling? "mental" is not exactly name calling.....the F word is though (hello hypocrite....oh is "hypocrite" a "name" ????? lol).....I will continue on the gel considering it gives me about 80mg of test per pump towards my total test #. 1 minute of my day twice a day is A-OK with me....no hassle really as compared to sticking a needle into myself a few times per week or more. To each his own, stop trying to push injections on people using gels.....or are you a test cyp rep for big pharma??? hmmmmmmmmm............ you come in here making false accusations at another poster, then turn around and pull a hypocrite on us by pushing injections over gels and name calling. We were better off w/o your contributions to this thread. Seek professional help buddy.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post

    name calling? "mental" is not exactly name calling.....the F word is though (hello hypocrite....oh is "hypocrite" a "name" ????? lol).....I will continue on the gel considering it gives me about 80mg of test per pump towards my total test #. 1 minute of my day twice a day is A-OK with me....no hassle really as compared to sticking a needle into myself a few times per week or more. To each his own, stop trying to push injections on people using gels.....or are you a test cyp rep for big pharma??? hmmmmmmmmm............ you come in here making false accusations at another poster, then turn around and pull a hypocrite on us by pushing injections over gels and name calling. We were better off w/o your contributions to this thread. Seek professional help buddy.
    Not pushing injections at all like I told elrock whatever works, if you would have read the whole comment you would have seen I was trying to help him once that $25 Axiron coupon expires he will need an alternative. I am sure he doesn't want to pay the $400.00 a month for Axiron.

    Calm down dude lay off the caffeine. Geeez, no need to comment back I'm done with you.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by rfarns01 View Post
    Not pushing injections at all like I told elrock whatever works, if you would have read the whole comment you would have seen I was trying to help him once that $25 Axiron coupon expires he will need an alternative. I am sure he doesn't want to pay the $400.00 a month for Axiron.

    Calm down dude lay off the caffeine. Geeez, no need to comment back I'm done with you.
    I was simply trying to convey to you how off base you were with the whole phlojel rep scenario. We don't rep for phlojel or androgel or anything else any more than you rep for test cyp suppliers. And yes, androgel is cost prohibitive for those w/o good insurance/prescription coverage. I am lucky and I get it for $6 a month....but if there comes the day I don't have this type of coverage? yes I will switch to injections since they are 1,000% cheaper. For now I am satisfied with the androgel, Elrock will probably run into problems if his insurance won't cover androgel (which is very odd by the way). So he may experience what you are suggesting, lack of topical options which are affordable. Unless they allow him to get on axiron w/o the need for coupons. It sucks when a doc won't allow you to get on injections, yet your insurance does not cover androgel.....talk about between a rock and a hard place (no pun intended regarding his username lol).

  18. Here are my actual lab results from applying the 4 pumps of Androgel 1.62% along with Phlojel Ultra. How do they look? What are the risks of maintaining a total testosterone leveof 1205 long-term, besides possible elevated PSA values?
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    Testosterone Total: 1205 ng/dl, reference interval: 241-827
    SHBG: 34 NMOL/L, reference interval: 13-71
    Testosterone Free (calc): 294 pg/ml, reference interval: 35-180
    Testosterone Free % 2.5%: reference interval: 1.0-.27

  19. Correction....Testosterone free reference interval is 1.0-2.7

  20. Provided you feel good at that level, which is what really matters, and you monitor estrogen, PSA, any cardiovascular concerns etc....and they are not out of whack, I don't see a problem with it. Although being over 1000 chronically is asking for trouble eventually if you ask me.....some of these things are bound to get out of whack and you'll be chasing after them with AI's and prostate supps or BP meds etc. You'll end up pissed off and decide to lower to a more manageable level like 700-800-900 or whatever.

  21. Thanks, that's great advice. I actually do feel pretty stellar now with my total test at 1205. Any opinions from you (or anyone) on my free test values?

    I've basically tripled my total test within about 2 months and the most significant side effect is fat loss I've dropped about 8lbs and kept my muscle mass for the most part, and I haven't been changing too much with my diet, which has been a partial intermittent fasting diet a few days a week. I've set a new PR on my decline bench at 415lbs and my strength is still on par or better than it was prior to HRT. My libido fluctuates alot though and has much larger spikes, my endurance is awesome both in/out of the gym, I'm sleeping less, and I definitely have an Alpha male complex, great self-esteem, and just a general better sense of well-being. In 2 months I'm getting another full blood profile to test for PSA and estrogen, though from my last test my SBHG value was pretty low which I believe indicates my estrogen is not spiking. I have not had any sore nips nor bloating similar to what I experienced on my past AndroBulk PH cycles, and I definitely fell a hell of alot healthier than taking those oral PH supplements. I'll probably keep everything in check and drop reduce my Androgel a bit this fall to cycle down to the 700/800s.

    I hope this thread we've been documenting with our results helps other folks over 35 in their quest to improve their T levels, safely and responsibly.

  22. Thats great results man good on you!! In 23 and just started Testogel! Im gonna starting using phlojel ultra just by seeing ylur results!! Id love to be at those levels as im only about 250, all the best to you and great news!!!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    Thanks, that's great advice. I actually do feel pretty stellar now with my total test at 1205. Any opinions from you (or anyone) on my free test values?

    I've basically tripled my total test within about 2 months and the most significant side effect is fat loss I've dropped about 8lbs and kept my muscle mass for the most part, and I haven't been changing too much with my diet, which has been a partial intermittent fasting diet a few days a week. I've set a new PR on my decline bench at 415lbs and my strength is still on par or better than it was prior to HRT. My libido fluctuates alot though and has much larger spikes, my endurance is awesome both in/out of the gym, I'm sleeping less, and I definitely have an Alpha male complex, great self-esteem, and just a general better sense of well-being. In 2 months I'm getting another full blood profile to test for PSA and estrogen, though from my last test my SBHG value was pretty low which I believe indicates my estrogen is not spiking. I have not had any sore nips nor bloating similar to what I experienced on my past AndroBulk PH cycles, and I definitely fell a hell of alot healthier than taking those oral PH supplements. I'll probably keep everything in check and drop reduce my Androgel a bit this fall to cycle down to the 700/800s.

    I hope this thread we've been documenting with our results helps other folks over 35 in their quest to improve their T levels, safely and responsibly.
    Yeah unfortunately there is a LOT of ignorance and hate for "androgel" or any topical testosterone (esp on this forum). Why the majority are so hostile about it? I am not sure....perhaps they just don't understand the whole concept and what is possible with topical application of test, so they just lash out at it. I've had good results w/o transdermal carriers like phlogel or DMSO....getting to 687 18 hours post application at 8 pumps (really only 6 pumps since a few probably went to DHT conversion). I shudder to think how high it is at 12 pumps per day (what I've been doing) OR 12 pumps plus phlogel lol.....scary. I wish that damn phlogel distributor would get his shipment in so I can get back on the phlogel and get a few weeks in then go get tested. I am super curious to see the crazy # that comes up. Hopefully the "topical people" won't get discouraged by the negative propaganda about androgel that you find in this forum, and instead see that there are guys getting great results (oftentimes BETTER than the injection guys given the right carrier).

    But yeah....test really rips the fat off of me like crazy. I'd say I get 80% or more fat loss and 20% or less added muscle mass while on test.....its always burned fat for me never did all that much for me in regards to muscle mass, even when I cycled it when I was younger. But that is fine, there are other things I can take for muscle mass....so long as the test keeps my fat in check, its all good.

  24. Yeah, definitely this Androgel is nuking my past stubborn fat that never went away previously! What's crazy is I've even dialed back my cardio to only 5 min for warm up every day and no other steady-state or interval training, and I'm losing fat like freakin' crazy. On the 4th of July I weighed myself and I finally broke the 200 barrier down to 199lbs, and I haven't done that in years and that as on a serious low carb/high protein diet. My general 1.5hr resistance training 5 days/week has been extremely effective with no additional cardio, which I like to maintain my muscle mass. I eat away muscle to quickly with cardio and consider myself more of a hard muscle gainer. BTW...how did you determine that your test levels were dropping where you had to apply more Andrgel in the afternoon/evening? Is that still the case if you apply Phlogel to your morning application? That reminds me, I need to order a 500g tub of that Phlogel to stock up! Maybe later this year I research how to acquire the raw ingredients and make it myself.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    Yeah, definitely this Androgel is nuking my past stubborn fat that never went away previously! What's crazy is I've even dialed back my cardio to only 5 min for warm up every day and no other steady-state or interval training, and I'm losing fat like freakin' crazy. On the 4th of July I weighed myself and I finally broke the 200 barrier down to 199lbs, and I haven't done that in years and that as on a serious low carb/high protein diet. My general 1.5hr resistance training 5 days/week has been extremely effective with no additional cardio, which I like to maintain my muscle mass. I eat away muscle to quickly with cardio and consider myself more of a hard muscle gainer. BTW...how did you determine that your test levels were dropping where you had to apply more Andrgel in the afternoon/evening? Is that still the case if you apply Phlogel to your morning application? That reminds me, I need to order a 500g tub of that Phlogel to stock up! Maybe later this year I research how to acquire the raw ingredients and make it myself.
    Right I don't even do cardio and the fat comes off....I do a lot of walking and up and down at work though. But I am just OCD about half-lives and taking things in split doses. That is the reason to split the androgel dosage, just to keep it steady......plus even the guy at the doctors office who wrote the new script put down 4 pumps twice a day, since its not feasible to apply 8 pumps at once (although you could if you spread it out.....). I used to take dbol every 4 hours lol, 5mg pills I'd take 1 or 2 every 4 hours to equal 40 or 50mg...whatever mg amount I was looking for. And my PH/DS? I split them up as well....even the PP androseries line I used to dose twice a day. But that guy (if you use the US distributor) is still out of phlogel....been almost a week. He promised me a free 100g container for my troubles along with the 500g I ordered. I know of a place (Malaysia) where you can get the kits of liquid and powder and mix it up yourself.....saves you about 300% since you get like 3-4X the final product. But I'm sure there are places that sell it even cheaper than that, just buying the basic raw materials in bulk.....not the kits.

  26. Cool! If you could PM me some of that info to create the kits or raw materials, I'd appreciate it!

  27. If you have the info for me to could you please PM me as im using testogel!

  28. The testosterone gel 1.62% I order from Androrxshop contains around 10% DMSO for transdermal. I've noticed a much better absorption than my prescribed Androgel. Sometimes the site goes down as its hosted by some malaysian host, but they always return my emails, and always get my product. Anyways, good luck with the experimentations guys. I'm interested to hear how things go.

  29. I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by svida View Post
    I ordered (2) bottles from Androrxshop last month and I did notice it was a different formula with the DMSO. It is a bit more gel-like that the Androgel and it stays on top of the skin a bit longer. So far it has seemed like a great product!
    So you guys order w/o prescription? i was under the impression anything testosterone was scheduled and therefore required a prescription??? this place would put topical DHEA Companies out of business if its OTC ordering.
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