No Libido on Axiron
- 03-03-2013, 11:56 PM
No Libido on Axiron
Hello everyone, this is my first post here. I've read a lot on here and there's so much good information. Anyways I went to my doc to have my testosterone checked because just wasn't feeling young anymore, low libido, poor erections, social anxiety and just plain ole tired.
I'm 43 year old, male, 6 foot, 192 lbs.
He checked my Total Test and it was 337. He mailed me the test results it said low normal and does not advise TRT. My next appointment I talked him into (He didn't want to) Androgel 1.62, 2 pumps a day. I could tell no difference what so ever. Went back 3 months later to re-test and Total Testosterone was 464. He said to continue on, but my insurance wasn't paying so he switched me to Axiron (Axiron has a program to get it for $25 for 1 year). I can tell it's doing something, my beard is thicker like it used to be and I've noticed hair line receding a lot more, not as tired, but other than that not really noticed much else. Now here's the real problem, since been on Axiron, libido has crashed, erections impossible, no morning wood just dead.
I've done a bunch of reading and seen he needs to test my Free Testosterone and E2, so I'm going to call him and see if he will test these for me.
First test he did, before TRT.
Total Testosterone 337 (241-827)
Prolactin 10.9 (2.1-17.7)
LH 3.3 (1.5-9.3)
TSH 1.07 (.55-4.78)
Cholesterol 211 (143-200)
HDL 38 (40-60)
Triglyceride 279 (12-150)
LDL-C 117 (<100)
Test 3 months later on Adrogel
Total Testosterone 464 (241-827)
PSA 1.0 (0.0-4.0)
HGB 16.0 (13.5-17.8)
Thanks for any suggestions
- 03-07-2013, 06:11 PM
sounds like estrogen or prolactin too high.. i would retest both of those along with an updated total & free T.
- 03-12-2013, 05:25 PM
So went back to have more blood work done. Was going to get Total & Free Testosterone and E2 checked. Got results back, but for some reason they didn't check my E2 and that's what I really wanted checked. Anyways here's what results I got.
Total Testosterone 367
Free Testosterone 22.8
Looks like total is low, but Free is really good?? All they told me was, everything is normal....Something ain't normal.....My Dr. is internal medicine Doc. Think I need to find a different Doc.
03-13-2013, 08:17 PM
05-03-2013, 05:54 PM
Went back to doc again and hit him up on the Testosterone converting to Estrogen and that I wanted to get my E2 checked. He says he doesn't believe Testosterone converts to Estrogen and he doesn't think that high Estrogen is why I have no sex drive. He did increase my Axiron from once a day to twice a day and wants me to come back in 2 weeks for Total Testosterone blood test to see if it increases. He says he doesn't need Free Testosterone test, just Total. If my levels don't increase he suggests I try injections and if that doesn't work, he says Testosterone just doesn't work for me???
Anyone have any thoughts on this please.
05-26-2013, 03:20 PM
Elevated prolactin levels will kill libido as well as increased estrogen levels. Request your estrogen level be checked. Remind him that you ate the patient and you need his help!
This guy has some problems. Estrogen comes from testosterone!!! Testosterone is produced and converts to estrogen. That's why AI's work to increase Test we make our bodies think we have low estrogen and the body produces more testosterone in order to make more estrogen.
Symptoms of High Estrogen
Loss of body hair
Decrease in muscle mass
Increase in fat
Carotid artery disease
Low sex drive (libido)
Difficulty losing weight
Good luck man! I'd call an endo's office to get some additional support for it TRT and leave the sore throats to your primary.
05-26-2013, 04:08 PM
Yup get your e2 checked! E2 killed my sex drive many times while experimenting with my trt dosages. Just remember less is best in most cases.
05-28-2013, 07:47 PM
Thanks for the info guys. On 5 pumps a day of Axiron and total test up to 575 now. He wants to hold me there until my next appointment in 6 months, then re-test. I'm thinking I need to forget the gels and just go for the shots. My insurance isn't going to pay for them, so when the $25.00 special is over, I won't be able to get it anyways. I would also like to give them to myself instead of driving an hour away, once a week or however often. Are the docs pretty open to letting patients give their own shots?
I would at least like to be around 800 and of course keep my E2 and prolactin in check. Would you suggest Endo or one of the anti-aging clinics?
05-28-2013, 09:19 PM
05-30-2013, 09:53 AM
I am on Axiron gel and I love it. My primary care doc will only prescribe the testosterone gel and nothing else (no AI or HCG). So, I also use a product called Forma Stanzol. It helps lower my estrogen & prolactin while increasing libido. I only have to use a very low dose of it and it lasts awhile.
Anyway, good luck on your journey and keep us posted.
05-31-2013, 09:49 AM
05-31-2013, 04:37 PM
05-31-2013, 07:38 PM
Please keep us updated. I'm very curious to hear from another axiron user. I'm on my second month of axiron(2pumps) paired with HCG and arimidex. I too experienced a large loss in libido/morning wood/function after the initial 2 week phase. I'm happy to report all other low T symptoms are gone but my one saving grace a great libido has been hit hard. My first thought was arimidex driving estrogen low so I removed it approximately 2 weeks ago. Have my 2nd blood test coming up and I'm throwing in all the possible culprits. Hopefully that will shed some light on where to move next.
06-01-2013, 10:03 PM
Hit privatemedicallabs.com order the female hormone test (almost everything you need and can the add what you want) produce the results to your horrible doc and fire him. File a formal complaint with your state and ask local pharmacies what docs in your area are prescribing test injections. Save yourself a ton time and disappointment by dumping the cream/gel.
06-02-2013, 08:01 AM
Yeah, privatemedicallabs.com is a good one to use. By ordering the female hormone panel you will get what you need and it's only about $55 bucks.
06-02-2013, 03:58 PM
06-02-2013, 08:27 PM
06-02-2013, 08:36 PM
I will definitely hit up privatemdlabs.com and do that test. Pretty cheap price also, thanks for that info.
06-02-2013, 09:35 PM
Really don't want to sound like a downer but some folks respond very poorly to creams and gels. I've tried both religiously and never tested over 300
06-03-2013, 01:36 AM
06-03-2013, 08:55 AM
I hear you Lex and thanks for the reply. I was worried about my wife getting exposed but most of all my kids. I didnt like the idea of injections but now i can get it done quicker than brushing and flossing my teeth. Labs last week were 760 and I feel pretty darn good.
09-07-2013, 02:41 PM
I ordered the hormone panel for females from PrivateMDLabs and got results back today. Estradiol looks fine at 17.8, I could have sworn it would have been high with the erection problems.
The LH & FSH are dead, I guess because I'm on the Axiron.
Testosterone 791 348-1197 ng/dl
Estradiol 17.8 7.6-42.6 pg/ml
LH <.2 1.7/8.6 miu/ml
FSH 0.5 1.5-12.4 miu/ml
Also got some bad results (Marked High) that worries me.
RBC 6.26 (4.14 - 5.80)
Hemoglobin 17.9 (12.6 - 17.7)
Hematocrit 53.6 (37.5 - 51.0)
Glucose, Serum 100 (65 - 99) (Pre-diabetic?)
Creatinine, Serum 1.31 (.76 - 1.27) (Kidney Disease?)
ALT (SGPT) 53 (0 - 44) (Liver Damage?)
09-07-2013, 02:49 PM
09-07-2013, 03:13 PM
09-07-2013, 03:14 PM
Can my Prolactin or Progesterone be high even though my Estradiol is good?
I do think my libido is up some, but still have hard time keeping erection and I'm pretty sure it's not a blood flow problem. Something else is causing it.
09-07-2013, 03:16 PM
09-08-2013, 03:05 AM
Is 17.8 pg/ml low for Estradiol? My lab test shows range 7.6 - 42.6 pg/ml. I've read here before 20 was optimum, but I also read that anything under 18.2 is to low.
I have been using Forma Stanzol, about 6 pumps, twice a day.
09-10-2013, 09:44 AM
09-10-2013, 09:51 AM
11-09-2013, 04:02 AM
Just a quick update. Went back to doc and told him I wanted to switch to injections instead of the Axiron. Put Axiron on for the last time Monday morning and took first injection that afternoon. Within 24 hrs things started looking better, 5 days later increased libido and no erection problem, I have no idea why the shot made so much difference, it's like the Axiron was having an opposite effect on me. I hope this continues to work.
02-09-2014, 01:33 PM
Maybe a week after my last post, my libido went away again and still have some erection problems. Went and had more blood test from private md labs and here is some results. Maybe somebody can give me some insight on what might be causing problems?
Testosterone, Serum - 954 - 348-1197 ng/dL BN
Testosterone,Free - 39.40 - HIGH - 5.00-21.00 ng/dL BN
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I - 278 - HIGH - 75-216 ng/mL BN
Estradiol, Sensitive - 45 - 3-70 pg/mL BN
Taking 200mg of Testosterone Cyp per week injection.
02-09-2014, 02:07 PM
02-09-2014, 05:40 PM
02-09-2014, 06:35 PM
Yeah I think I need Arimidex, but my doc doesn't believe estrogen being to high. He wouldn't even order a E2 test, that's why I went to Labcorp and got it tested. I guess I need a endo, but I hate to start from the beginning again. Always heard they will pull you off the Testosterone first thing and start over. There's a few places that sell it online, but I don't if it's on the up and up.
02-09-2014, 06:36 PM
02-09-2014, 09:53 PM
02-13-2014, 02:54 PM
02-13-2014, 04:20 PM
02-14-2014, 12:18 PM
02-14-2014, 05:58 PM
I suspected that the Labcorp Estradiol Sensitive (3-70 range) test was under reporting my E2.
So, on 04/20/12, I paid for Labcorp's Estradiol Sensitive (3-70 range) and the cheaper Estradiol (7.6-42.6 range) blood tests.
Estradiol Sensitive (3-70 range) reported as 19 pg/ml
Estradiol (7.6-42.6 range) reported as 54.8 pg/ml
Yes, I really did have HIGH E2 and I thought I did.
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