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    Blasting while on TRT


    I am strongly considered doing a blast with some test cyp I have saved up from prescriptions.

    I use 100mg/ week normally, but my vials are one shot doses at 200mg, so this had allowed me to have quite a bit left over.

    I posted a similar thread in anabolics, but it didn't get much feedback.

    I'm 28, 5,7 and around 185lbs right now.

    I'm thinking about doing 400mg week, 2 x 200mg, and don't know how long I should do this. Somewhere between 8-12 weeks?

    I normally don't need an AI with my twice weekly injections of 50-60mgs. However, I've ordered Aromasin that should be here the first of the week and plan to run it @ 12.5mg EOD.

    Any input, critique, advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    Do it for 12 weeks.
    I would start the AI a day or two before you up the dose. You already have extra estrogen in your body. Increased aromatization could very well aggravate your nips, and it is much better to keep gyno away from the start rather than wait til it shows up and chase your estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Do it for 12 weeks.
    I would start the AI a day or two before you up the dose. You already have extra estrogen in your body. Increased aromatization could very well aggravate your nips, and it is much better to keep gyno away from the start rather than wait til it shows up and chase your estrogen.
    That was exactly my thoughts.

    Not wanting to take a risk and end up with man boobies! I have Erase right now.
    You think that would be sufficient?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    That was exactly my thoughts.

    Not wanting to take a risk and end up with man boobies! I have Erase right now.
    You think that would be sufficient?
    Erase is very user dependent, but the majority like it. I used it at 75mg a day during my last test run at 500mg a week and it worked great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    Erase is very user dependent, but the majority like it. I used it at 75mg a day during my last test run at 500mg a week and it worked great.
    Nice. What about starting the Erase for a couple days prior and then start the cycle and use the aromasin when it comes in--which should be early next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    Nice. What about starting the Erase for a couple days prior and then start the cycle and use the aromasin when it comes in--which should be early next week.
    That's probably fine, although I'm not sure of the half life of Erase. I can't imagine it being more than a day, but anyways, if you have too much estrogen suppression one thing you'll notice is a nasty migraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post

    That's probably fine, although I'm not sure of the half life of Erase. I can't imagine it being more than a day, but anyways, if you have too much estrogen suppression one thing you'll notice is a nasty migraine.
    Thanks for the feedback, Flex. It's much appreciated.

    Looking forward to this test run. Hopefully all will be smooth.
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    First 200mg shot this morning.
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    In for curiosity.
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    Not to make more work for you, but can you keep this posted with any changes in workout and/or diet during the next 12 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Not to make more work for you, but can you keep this posted with any changes in workout and/or diet during the next 12 weeks?
    Sure man. When I get home later I'll post up what my workouts will be and a general idea of what diet will look like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    Not to make more work for you, but can you keep this posted with any changes in workout and/or diet during the next 12 weeks?
    Here's what training will look like...for the most part. Some exercises may rotate in/out, but the focus will be on compound movements that allow for 3 full body workouts per week.

    Day 1--3 sets x 3-6 reps
    Bbell flat bench
    T-bar row
    Military press
    Squat
    Bicep exercise (of some kind)
    Tricep exercise (of some kind)

    Day 2--3 sets x 8-12 reps
    Deadlifts (these will be in the 3-5 rep range)
    Weighted Dips
    Pull ups
    Lateral raises
    Calf raises
    Core work

    Day 3--3 sets x 6-8 reps
    Leg press
    Bbell row
    Incline Bbell bench
    Face pulls
    Bicep exercise
    Tricep exercise

    I've been doing this routine for about 5 weeks now and I love it. I've lost 5-10 pounds, but look slimmer yet larger in the chest shoulders. I think this would serve me well on this small cycle.

    Diet is something I honestly don't track too closely. I'm a creature of habit and eat similar things every day.

    Breakfast is generally 2-3 eggs with a 60 gram shake made of whey, milk, strawberries, peanut butter, and honey.
    Greek yogurt mid-morning for snack.
    Lunch is typically rice, veggies, leanish meat.
    Dinner generally the same.
    I have about a 30-40 gram shake either after a workout or before bed.

    One day out of the weekend I let myself eat just about whatever I'm craving. That typically involves cracker barrels fried chicken and cornbread on Sundays.
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    That is an interesting routine you have set up there. I recently ended a heavy routine designed to figure out my max 2-3 reps in order to move into the routine I am on now. Full body 3x a week with everything at 60% of 2RM. I do two warm up sets and then 5x10reps. Then I have 2 1/2 hours of muay thai and bjj twice a week. I'm pretty much pushing the limits of my 38yo ass right now and it's awesome.

    I'm like you with diet. I keep it in check, but I never count calories or kick myself for eating what I like. I work too hard to not enjoy myself.
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    OK, I'm past the part of considering. I'm 34, test at 182 with no anabolic use in recent history. Tried gel, only raised it to 200. Doc put me on 100 mg TC a week. I'm wondering what other anabolics would be good to blast with. What's NOT gonna make my endo suspicious?

    Extra Test- obviously has to be stopped in time for levels to get "normal". Got some TNE (no ester) on the way
    Tren- Any effect on test level? Lipids? etc.?
    Deca- see tren

    Planning on stopping excess test at least 2 weeks out from giving blood. What about these other compounds? How long out can I run these? Any other advice welcome. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    That is an interesting routine you have set up there. I recently ended a heavy routine designed to figure out my max 2-3 reps in order to move into the routine I am on now. Full body 3x a week with everything at 60% of 2RM. I do two warm up sets and then 5x10reps. Then I have 2 1/2 hours of muay thai and bjj twice a week. I'm pretty much pushing the limits of my 38yo ass right now and it's awesome.

    I'm like you with diet. I keep it in check, but I never count calories or kick myself for eating what I like. I work too hard to not enjoy myself.
    I really like the routine thus far. I'm enjoying the varying rep ranges that I get to do throughout the week.

    If you're lifting and still fitting in the other training, you are doing quite well for 38. I did some BJJ in college--loved it.

    Like you, I think you have to live. You've got to enjoy what you eat!
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    Update on cycle...

    Had 2nd pin on Wednesday night. To be honest, I don't notice much of a thing right now in regards to positives. My nipples seem to be itching like crazy...unless its in my head.

    I have aromasin (exemestane) from a research supplier, but I'm afraid it's no good. I thought the place was g2g, but it seems have if there are reviews out there that have their AIs listed as no good. I also have erase and took 3 pills of that today after work.
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    ...meant to add...I've taken 12.5 mg of the aromasin twice, but it really doesn't seem to do much. Makes me feel like sh1t--that's about it!

    Kind if wondering what I should do...don't want to end up in bro-zier!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    I really like the routine thus far. I'm enjoying the varying rep ranges that I get to do throughout the week.

    If you're lifting and still fitting in the other training, you are doing quite well for 38. I did some BJJ in college--loved it.

    Like you, I think you have to live. You've got to enjoy what you eat!
    It's really the only way I know and I love it. I surround myself with a lot of friends that just get after it, so it's encouraging. Granted, I also surround myself with all my old school crazy friends just to keep me in check.lol

    To be honest, it is just in my blood. My dad escaped from Hungary, came to America and joined the special forces as a Ranger, worked for the mob as a tough in Vegas, taught me how to fight, and I still lift with him at 73. Mfer benches 300 and squats 400 at that age. So, I have no choice but to be tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    In for curiosity.
    Same here....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigt405 View Post

    Same here....
    Thanks man.


    Weird day today. VERY emotional today. Lol. Getting all teary-eyed at weird things.
    Makes me think my AI I ordered is no good! May need to look for another source.
    I've taken erase on the off days of the aromasin and can't tell if it helps or not.
    Not sure what to do about it. Definitely don't want to risk gyno creeping up.
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    What AI did you order? I can vouch for Liquid Stane from CEM.
    My research candidate had bloods before and after one month on it and his Estrodiol went from 42 to 13.
    Results after one month.
    Total Test 1858
    Free Test 443.5
    Estro 13

    That's on about 3mg EOD.
    My research candidate tried 12.5mg the first shot and it made him feel a little weird. Funny headache and a sort of disconnected feeling.
    3mg has almost no side effects for him and does the trick.
    May be too much actually. All his joints started being painful after about 3 months. He reports that his neck feels like it's got sand in it. I just ordered some Joint supps for him. Hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRaptor View Post
    What AI did you order? I can vouch for Liquid Stane from CEM.
    My research candidate had bloods before and after one month on it and his Estrodiol went from 42 to 13.
    Results after one month.
    Total Test 1858
    Free Test 443.5
    Estro 13

    That's on about 3mg EOD.
    My research candidate tried 12.5mg the first shot and it made him feel a little weird. Funny headache and a sort of disconnected feeling.
    3mg has almost no side effects for him and does the trick.
    May be too much actually. All his joints started being painful after about 3 months. He reports that his neck feels like it's got sand in it. I just ordered some Joint supps for him. Hope it helps.
    Solve one problem create 3 more. Not a good.marketing approach. This is not a long term solution
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Solve one problem create 3 more. Not a good.marketing approach. This is not a long term solution
    Agreed.
    It was more or less an experiment to see if I could clear up the emotional swings and itching nipples that I thought were caused by high Estrodiol.

    What to do in place of an AI?
    You mention finding the root cause. Where do you go to find the root cause? My doctor will hardly even talk about AI much less root cause.
    In the mean time I'm cutting back to 3mg twice weekly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRaptor View Post
    You mention finding the root cause. Where do you go to find the root cause?
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    I have Erase right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
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    Thanks man- appreciate all your advise.

    I went and had labs done yesterday to check to make sure erase is doing what I need.

    I've only had 4 injections thus far at 200mg, but I thought I should at least be able to get an idea if its working after seeing my E2 levels.

    I'll post it up when I get it back!
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    I hope you are not taking both
    3 caps of Erase daily AND Aromasin?

    PS: When you say Aromasin makes you feel like poop, please elaborate. if you drive your estrogen levels too low, you will feel like garbage. So, me thinks your Aromasin may be good to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    I have aromasin (exemestane) from a research supplier, but I'm afraid it's no good. I thought the place was g2g, but it seems have if there are reviews out there that have their AIs listed as no good. I also have erase and took 3 pills of that today after work.
    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    ...meant to add...I've taken 12.5 mg of the aromasin twice, but it really doesn't seem to do much. Makes me feel like sh1t--that's about it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    I hope you are not taking both
    3 caps of Erase daily AND Aromasin?

    PS: When you say Aromasin makes you feel like poop, please elaborate. if you drive your estrogen levels too low, you will feel like garbage. So, me thinks your Aromasin may be good to go.
    No, no. Only taking the Erase now. Feel great on the erase. Still paranoid about my chest and always think it's itching. I look at it more than a middle school girl looks at hers when sprouting boobs for the first time!

    I was taking the Aromasin EOD at12.5mg and would sometimes feel just sick to my stomach and like a "disconnected" or brain fog type feeling. Like I had to walk myself though everything I did b/c I isn't have any energy.
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    Wonder if they gave yuoiu Clomid instead? That is and always has been the problem with all these research companies. It's a lottery as to knowing what you're really taking

    3 Erase at your Test dose should be more than plenty to thwart any potential adverse gyno sides

    I would argue it's overkill but as long as your joints doint start hurting you too much or you just feel flat or crappy you're fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Update on cycle...

    Had 2nd pin on Wednesday night. To be honest, I don't notice much of a thing right now in regards to positives. My nipples seem to be itching like crazy...unless its in my head.

    I have aromasin (exemestane) from a research supplier, but I'm afraid it's no good. I thought the place was g2g, but it seems have if there are reviews out there that have their AIs listed as no good. I also have erase and took 3 pills of that today after work.
    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    No, no. Only taking the Erase now. Feel great on the erase. Still paranoid about my chest and always think it's itching. I look at it more than a middle school girl looks at hers when sprouting boobs for the first time!

    I was taking the Aromasin EOD at12.5mg and would sometimes feel just sick to my stomach and like a "disconnected" or brain fog type feeling. Like I had to walk myself though everything I did b/c I isn't have any energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Wonder if they gave yuoiu Clomid instead? That is and always has been the problem with all these research companies. It's a lottery as to knowing what you're really taking

    3 Erase at your Test dose should be more than plenty to thwart any potential adverse gyno sides

    I would argue it's overkill but as long as your joints doint start hurting you too much or you just feel flat or crappy you're fine.
    That's exactly what I was thinking. Just wasn't sure what was really in it, so I figured that if erase will work, at least I know what's in it.

    I've been doing mainly two caps per day. Did three yesterday and my knees and ankles sound like a bowl if Rice Krispies this morning! ?

    Hoping this bloodwork gets emailed to me soon so I know if it's working for me. I "think" it may be a I having had any BP spikes, bloat, etc. I've actually lost an inch or so in the waistline since two weeks ago.
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    How's your libido been on the higher dose? I found that I have become so sensitive to the mg of test when it comes to that. I've been on 50mg e4d for about 2 months now and it had really opened my eyes to what I was doing for the last 2 years. I've stopped any AI and feel like a new man. Running the higher TRT doses and then trying to chase it with Erase and/or Arimidex seemed to be normal and I think I fell into a pattern. I know this isn't what you are doing with this experiment, but it got me to thinking how it would feel to be on the dose you currently are on.

    Also, you mentioned earlier feeling real sensitive. Has that subsided?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    How's your libido been on the higher dose? I found that I have become so sensitive to the mg of test when it comes to that. I've been on 50mg e4d for about 2 months now and it had really opened my eyes to what I was doing for the last 2 years. I've stopped any AI and feel like a new man. Running the higher TRT doses and then trying to chase it with Erase and/or Arimidex seemed to be normal and I think I fell into a pattern. I know this isn't what you are doing with this experiment, but it got me to thinking how it would feel to be on the dose you currently are on.

    Also, you mentioned earlier feeling real sensitive. Has that subsided?
    I agree with you. Sometimes less is more when it comes to TRT for the quality of life purposes. I was doing 50mg every 3.5 days before I started this cycle.

    Libido is there...not have much luck with the wife though as we have a 2 year old an a 3 month old. She's breastfeeding the baby, so no time for me ; )
    I'm waking up at night, and morning, with solid erections.

    I hope to use no AI when I come off and go back to 50mg every 3.5 days.
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    LOL, I feel your pain and it doesn't get a whole lot better for the next few years. I have a 5 year and 1.5 year old little girls. They are my life, but it sure takes away from wife time. When it does come around and the kids haven't worn us out, it's like, "well, I guess we should." haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by kisaj View Post
    LOL, I feel your pain and it doesn't get a whole lot better for the next few years. I have a 5 year and 1.5 year old little girls. They are my life, but it sure takes away from wife time. When it does come around and the kids haven't worn us out, it's like, "well, I guess we should." haha
    I hear that man. I have two girls as well. Two year old and 3 months--baby momma time is limited!!

    My love of the gym causes quite a bit of marital strife, which hasn't got any better with the addition of my second little lady.

    We knocked it out during naptime today. Best 5 minutes I've had, outside them gym, all week ; )
    That was after we got done fighting about me asking to go to the gym this morning...and the fact that all I got her for v/day this year was a card...
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    You always have pharm grade stuff on hand in addition to whatever else you want to take for those rainy days. Point is that if you in doubt you have something that will work 100%. I know price and availability is a concern but so it;s 5k removing gyno plus the aggravation.
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    Results from Labcorp are back...Not real sure what I should do from here on..

    ALT 63 (0-44) HIGH
    AST 85 (0-40) HIGH
    Testosterone is > 1500 HIGH
    Estradiol 81.6 (7.6-42.6) HIGH

    Does that high of E2 put me at risk for gyno or anything else? Also concerned about the elevated liver values. Not sure If I keep going with cycle or stop it now. My liver values have always been a point, or so, higher than the scale, but not this much.

    Everything else on the panel is within range.

    Any insight/ advice is appreciated.

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    AST & ALT: Did you work out within 1-2 days of the blood test? If so, you're probably fine (false negatives).

    You're not on orals or drink a lot corrrect?

    I'd start the Erase bro (2-3 caps/day)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    AST & ALT: Did you work out within 1-2 days of the blood test? If so, you're probably fine (false negatives).

    You're not on orals or drink a lot corrrect?

    I'd start the Erase bro (2-3 caps/day)
    Yeah, I worked out two days before the labs. I rarely drink. No oral steroids. On dioxycycline for acne.

    These labs were taken WITH erase being done at caps per day for almost two weeks. That's why I got them done; wanted to see how erase would do as an AI on my cycle.

    Not sure if I should just abandons the cycle or order Adex from a research site.
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    Your values are always going to be whacked when you mess with androgens - just up the Erase doese and keep an eye on things and enjoy the mild cycle

    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Yeah, I worked out two days before the labs. I rarely drink. No oral steroids. On dioxycycline for acne.

    These labs were taken WITH erase being done at caps per day for almost two weeks. That's why I got them done; wanted to see how erase would do as an AI on my cycle.

    Not sure if I should just abandons the cycle or order Adex from a research site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Your values are always going to be whacked when you mess with androgens - just up the Erase doese and keep an eye on things and enjoy the mild cycle
    You wouldn't sweat the E2 in the 80's?
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