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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    im in week 3 of my blast and have only gained, maybe 5 lbs........ think it just needs longer to kick in? or should i jsut up calories more
    Definitely up the calories, good fats, and protein. I was getting around 5000 calories and around 300g of protein a day. Are you doing 500mg/week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post

    Definitely up the calories, good fats, and protein. I was getting around 5000 calories and around 300g of protein a day. Are you doing 500mg/week?
    Also lift heavy. I never got anywhere near 5000 cals/ day and gained muscle fast. Just saying, you want to gain muscle not fat
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    Also lift heavy. I never got anywhere near 5000 cals/ day and gained muscle fast. Just saying, you want to gain muscle not fat
    ^^^ definitely! The past couple months I did the heaviest lifts I could do with the most reps possible. That could possibly be the reason I didn't experience any bloat, because my e2 was 136! A lot of guys don't realize you've gotta work harder/heavier on a cycle or blast to see great results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Definitely up the calories, good fats, and protein. I was getting around 5000 calories and around 300g of protein a day. Are you doing 500mg/week?
    400mg/wk..............doing carb cycling, 3 days low carb only carbs from veggies and dairy then a high day 400-500g carbs....when ur taking 5000 cals and only 300g protein waht were ur fats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    ^^^ definitely! The past couple months I did the heaviest lifts I could do with the most reps possible. That could possibly be the reason I didn't experience any bloat, because my e2 was 136! A lot of guys don't realize you've gotta work harder/heavier on a cycle or blast to see great results.
    i just thoght id be gettting crazy strong super fast...and im not, my bench was actually down today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post

    i just thoght id be gettting crazy strong super fast...and im not, my bench was actually down today?
    How long have you been "on" this blast. Test cyp/enth is a long ester and takes a while to kick in. Also, I wouldn't worry about low carbs at all of size and strength are your goals. Your body needs that energy from carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post

    How long have you been "on" this blast. Test cyp/enth is a long ester and takes a while to kick in. Also, I wouldn't worry about low carbs at all of size and strength are your goals. Your body needs that energy from carbs.
    Man such a difference for about 2 days after I eat carbs. Strong.carb cycling lowers my strength but it's hard cutting and lifting heavy on days 3-5 with low carbs. I'm OK with it though
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post

    400mg/wk..............doing carb cycling, 3 days low carb only carbs from veggies and dairy then a high day 400-500g carbs....when ur taking 5000 cals and only 300g protein waht were ur fats?
    Not sure what my total daily fat intake was, but I was drinking about 3/4 cup of olive oil per day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Not sure what my total daily fat intake was, but I was drinking about 3/4 cup of olive oil per day.
    Holy shnikes batman that is 1,500 calories or 165 grams of fat before adding in you other daily fat intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post

    Not sure what my total daily fat intake was, but I was drinking about 3/4 cup of olive oil per day.
    I would never take in that much polyunsaturated fat. Enters fat cells very easily and hard to get it out
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    I'm not consuming that much now, just a teaspoon a day as part of my preworkout meal. Either that or grapeseed oil. Interesting thing about the olive oil is I would be warm as **** after taking it, and could go out in below freezing temps without a jacket and not get cold.
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    Imagine if you took a shot of whiskey with your quart of olive oil.....toasty as a motherfcker

    I have been doing 4 tbsp of flax oil per day to bump calories....I usually use the udo's oil but this is what they had where I ordered. I take in 120-160 grams of various fats as a daily rule anyways though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    How long have you been "on" this blast. Test cyp/enth is a long ester and takes a while to kick in. Also, I wouldn't worry about low carbs at all of size and strength are your goals. Your body needs that energy from carbs.
    this is teh end of my 3rd week.........but i was on 100mgs for 6months or so..............what would u suggest for cals then, just keep it the same everyday, maybe like 300 protein 400 carbs, rest fat? then no carbs on off days
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Not sure what my total daily fat intake was, but I was drinking about 3/4 cup of olive oil per day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I would never take in that much polyunsaturated fat. Enters fat cells very easily and hard to get it out
    how would u do low carb/high fat then? cuz i take in alot of nuts,oliveoil, avocado with my low carb days
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    I would never take in that much polyunsaturated fat. Enters fat cells very easily and hard to get it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    how would u do low carb/high fat then? cuz i take in alot of nuts,oliveoil, avocado with my low carb days
    Meat fat, bacon, cheese, coconut oil
    The problem with nuts is the N6 and inflammation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    ?????
    Sorry, meant mono unsaturated not poly
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Meat fat, bacon, cheese, coconut oil
    The problem with nuts is the N6 and inflammation
    You get inflamation from eating nuts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    You get inflamation from eating nuts?
    moderation

    this guy writes good stuff-->http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts-...#axzz2TBGv2g3U
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    moderation

    this guy writes good stuff-->http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts-...#axzz2TBGv2g3U
    Good read thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    moderation

    this guy writes good stuff-->http://www.marksdailyapple.com/nuts-...#axzz2TBGv2g3U

    I eat a lot of walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds for the past few years just about daily and just had a C-reactive protein test. Not sure if it means anything but it was
    .7 on a scale of 0-4.9....any ideas?
    Seems low to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    I eat a lot of walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds for the past few years just about daily and just had a C-reactive protein test. Not sure if it means anything but it was
    .7 on a scale of 0-4.9....any ideas?
    Seems low to me
    I couldn't possibly comment on this one. Out of my knowledge base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post

    I eat a lot of walnuts, almonds, sunflower seeds for the past few years just about daily and just had a C-reactive protein test. Not sure if it means anything but it was
    .7 on a scale of 0-4.9....any ideas?
    Seems low to me
    Elevated CRP could be a sign of an inflammatory disease. Also, people with high levels of CRP are more likely to be diabetic. Lower on the scale is better, in a nutshell, pun intended.
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    lol
    so nuts and seeds dont really cause much inflamation then, unless there are other issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    you guys ever use "anylabtestnow"??? Its a walk in, no appt necessary (but suggested) place and you can ask for anything you want. they have some prepackaged testing of course, like testosterone free and total....but you can personalize it with estrogen or prolactin etc. Pretty cheap as well...although with us adding in all the female stuff etc I am sure it can get triple digit quick. I have a few local to me actually. I wanted to get tested at 12 pumps androgel plus 5 pumps transaderm. But i am somewhat lazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by jiggero View Post
    How quickly do you get the results? ?
    Good question, I never actually thought of that. I figured it was the usual, where they send it out and get it back in 24-48 hours. I really need to go in there and see what my test levels are on 12 pumps plus topical DHEA. Only thing is that I'm on 300mg deca EW right now, and I'm not sure if that will skew the results at all? I figure since its exogenous test, the deca would have no effect on my overall testosterone result. If somebody tells me that the deca won't F up my result, I'll drag myself in there in the next 3 weeks while I'm on the 12 pumps plus deca and I'll have all the answers. You got one local to you too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Have to get labs drawn next Wednesday. It's been 3 weeks since I was on 400mg a week. I've been on 100mg a week for the last two. Theoretically, should I be reading at my normal therapy dose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Being on trt, shouldn't a blast be shorter than someone doing a cycle? I mean, the test is already built up in our systems to a high normal range, so reaching the top blast ng/dl number should be around week 2 instead of week 4 right?

    I wonder if someone on trt would get the same results from an 8 week blast compared to a 12 week cycle of a non-trt user?
    High normal isn't always the case. Depends on dose, how you feel, etc. I range normal to low normal on 100/wk and I feel great, so I leave it that way. (True hypogonadism secondary to OTC androgen use several years ago) I'd rather be free of side effects and feeling great than have T levels on the high-normal level and required additional meds to counteract the sides, getting regular phlebotomy, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post

    High normal isn't always the case. Depends on dose, how you feel, etc. I range normal to low normal on 100/wk and I feel great, so I leave it that way. (True hypogonadism secondary to OTC androgen use several years ago) I'd rather be free of side effects and feeling great than have T levels on the high-normal level and required additional meds to counteract the sides, getting regular phlebotomy, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post

    High normal isn't always the case. Depends on dose, how you feel, etc. I range normal to low normal on 100/wk and I feel great, so I leave it that way. (True hypogonadism secondary to OTC androgen use several years ago) I'd rather be free of side effects and feeling great than have T levels on the high-normal level and required additional meds to counteract the sides, getting regular phlebotomy, etc.
    Most definitely, high test levels S U C K. Fine for building quick muscle if you bust your ass along with it, but that's it.

    And yes if you're on trt then it will take a shorter period of time to get your test levels up to super-human levels for a blast. I wouldn't blast for longer than 8 weeks myself (did that a couple months ago, gained almost 25lbs, and when everything was leveled out and back to normal, 15 of those pounds were muscle. Straight up lost my sex drive for about a month though since I didn't use an AI, and let my e2 get up to 136. Everything is much better now though.

    I've been pinning 30mg eod with better results than 50mg twice a week. No e2 temper/lethargy, good sex drive, strength is almost as high as my 500mg/week blast. My body doesn't need much test to build muscle luckily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnabolicHolic View Post
    Good question, I never actually thought of that. I figured it was the usual, where they send it out and get it back in 24-48 hours. I really need to go in there and see what my test levels are on 12 pumps plus topical DHEA. Only thing is that I'm on 300mg deca EW right now, and I'm not sure if that will skew the results at all? I figure since its exogenous test, the deca would have no effect on my overall testosterone result. If somebody tells me that the deca won't F up my result, I'll drag myself in there in the next 3 weeks while I'm on the 12 pumps plus deca and I'll have all the answers. You got one local to you too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iparatroop View Post
    You and me both.
    Quote Originally Posted by lexmuscle View Post
    Most definitely, high test levels S U C K. Fine for building quick muscle if you bust your ass along with it, but that's it.
    Just to follow up on this, I had a total T trough done at day 7.5 from last dose (100mg/wk) and I was 2 points below the reference range low value. LOL. I still feel fantastic compared to prior to TRT, I'm having zero side effects, and I'm gaining very well again (came back off of a several year long break a few months back only to find that I simply couldn't recover and I wasn't growing. Thank you, Superdrol. Despite a well-researched PCT, my HPTA was beat into submission).
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    Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    Just to follow up on this, I had a total T trough done at day 7.5 from last dose (100mg/wk) and I was 2 points below the reference range low value. LOL. I still feel fantastic compared to prior to TRT, I'm having zero side effects, and I'm gaining very well again (came back off of a several year long break a few months back only to find that I simply couldn't recover and I wasn't growing. Thank you, Superdrol. Despite a well-researched PCT, my HPTA was beat into submission).
    My trough at I+6.75 (6hrs pre-inject) is 374. Bottom of the ref range. I have no complaints. I feel an assload better than I felt pre-TRT. I had a small case of pre-existing "gyno" so now I'm on 20mg tamoxifen (nolvadex) ED. Since starting tamoxifen (began taking it almost two weeks ago) I've noticed an increase in libido and whatever gyno symptoms I had are diminishing. I had the urge to blast while on TRT, but I no longer see or feel the need to. I'm happy with what I have and I only think being greedy is going to lead to sides that I don't want.
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    Can any of you give me some advice regarding T- replacement. (I am 66 and been lifting about 25 yrs and have done about a 2 hour workout 4X/wk for last few yrs.) I have used Androgel regularly for last 7 or 8 years which gives me a good T score. But I am now living in Thailand and my US Dr has told me he cannot write me more Rx's for the pharmacy to mail without seeing me. So I am set to run out of Androgel 1.62% in another month. However, in Thailand, I have can have my Thai Dr give me the 3-month injectable T-replacement that is approved in Europe. Has anyone had any experience with this form of T? (BTW: my PSA last month was 0.38; also I am a Type 2 diabetic for last 35 yrs with no complications.) I have tried reading up on it but without US approval there is not much literature. Maybe a 'hands on' guy can give me some info. Thanks.
    Not sure where you sustain your t-level with the gels, but as I mentioned before I am on a lower dose of test-c (100mg/wk). Test Cypionate and its European equivalent (Test Enanthate) are, for all intents and purposes, the same. It's less messy but your levels will fluctuate a little more with once weekly injections. At a TRT dose you shouldn't have to worry much about hematocrit levels, which seem to be the main concern with injectables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bill1369 View Post
    Can any of you give me some advice regarding T- replacement. (I am 66 and been lifting about 25 yrs and have done about a 2 hour workout 4X/wk for last few yrs.) I have used Androgel regularly for last 7 or 8 years which gives me a good T score. But I am now living in Thailand and my US Dr has told me he cannot write me more Rx's for the pharmacy to mail without seeing me. So I am set to run out of Androgel 1.62% in another month. However, in Thailand, I have can have my Thai Dr give me the 3-month injectable T-replacement that is approved in Europe. Has anyone had any experience with this form of T? (BTW: my PSA last month was 0.38; also I am a Type 2 diabetic for last 35 yrs with no complications.) I have tried reading up on it but without US approval there is not much literature. Maybe a 'hands on' guy can give me some info. Thanks.
    Probably Testosterone undecanoate. It's apparently great for TRT. I just reviewed a paper on it last night. 4 injections a year, assuming a good dosing schedule always in physiologic range without the ups and downs of the shorter esters like cyp and enanthate (especially prop). Of note, one significant finding IMO was that hypogonadal individuals on testosterone undecanoate tended to have better erection frequency and libido compared to those on the shorter esters.
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