- 10-28-2012, 08:38 PM
- 10-28-2012, 09:00 PM
The best way to tell is how you feel overall.
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- 10-28-2012, 09:02 PM
What is range on the E2 test?
Great TT and FT levels.... How long have the pellets been in?
Most important is.... HOW DO YOU FEEL?
10-29-2012, 09:22 AM
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
10-29-2012, 09:51 AM
10-29-2012, 04:34 PM
I'd be curious to know about how long you've been at those levels...how long have you been on the protocol? Please address how you feel physically and mentally. How is your libido? As the others have said (and I'm learning) numbers don't mean a lot...it's about how your individual levels are working on your unique body.
10-29-2012, 04:39 PM
10-29-2012, 05:58 PM
Yep those are high, just like my crazy results of total test at 1908 and free test was 643. I think that was taken shortly after my shot though. I'm gonna have new and in a month or two. I'm still at the 200mg a week of test cypionate. I know that level is dangerous and will discuss with my doc this Friday.
10-29-2012, 08:48 PM
Lab work was done at the second month , before t level was 173 , I was depressed and had no interest in sex or anything else
Including work , I actually caught myself checking out a woman the other day . What a difference ! Should I back off on dosage? What is idea number for 59 old man?
10-29-2012, 08:51 PM
Like I am 18 years old , my poor wife moved to the guest room.Originally Posted by Mr.TT
10-29-2012, 09:15 PM
The reason I asked for your E2 test ranges is, your E2 level of 16 seems very low when your FT is that high.
This looks like the LABCORP "SENSITIVE" test with (3 - 70) as the range, and if it is, then your real E2 level is much higher.
When I had the SENSITIVE test my E2 came back as 19. It was really 55.
10-29-2012, 09:21 PM
Well one reason it may be low is I am taking anastrozole twice a week , what should my target be?
10-29-2012, 09:26 PM
Labcorp was lab , taking anastrozole 2 a week , dr thinks that that may be too much.Originally Posted by Mr.TT
10-29-2012, 09:29 PM
Well, there is your problem...... 16 on the good E2 test, range (7 - 42) is to low. 25 - 30 is ideal for most.
Don't your joints hurt?
Anybody else on this site... Can you point him to Phil's "till I'm blue in the face" E2 SWEET SPOT thread.
10-29-2012, 09:35 PM
Thanks , yes some joint pain , did know e2 target , will cut back to one tab a week . Althought my body has transformed with out any effort I have become lean and hard .Originally Posted by Mr.TT
10-29-2012, 09:51 PM
Here is part of PMGAMER18 (Phil's) guide to AIs. IMHO, AROMASIN is better than ADEX.
How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.
What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs.
The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it.
Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.
I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up.
I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days.
So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.
I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need .25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.
So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel.
Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.
10-29-2012, 10:02 PM
Thanks , no wood , now I know why , two months same e2 level , I quitting till I get morning wood then start back with a 1/4 tab once a week till next test , I hope I get the results you did in 4 days time. Thanks
10-30-2012, 01:42 AM
Wow that opened up my eyes as well. No wonder I have low libido despite my super high levels of test! I was taking 1mg of adex 3 times a week and my results were 12pg/dl. That is way too low. Then I just started to take. 5mg of adex twice a week but now I'm gonna cold turkey it until I get morning wood again and then do the 1/4 2 times a week. Does that sound better?
10-30-2012, 02:54 AM
I do feel sensitivity in my nipples and slight tenderness in them. Should I still stick to the above post regime for adex?
10-30-2012, 07:27 AM
10-30-2012, 08:51 AM
Every body is going to be different, there is no standard protocol. For instance, I take 200mg/week and use absolutely no AI and my E2 stays between 25-30 which works well for me. The protocol testing listed by Mr.TT is a good starting point. You are going to half to experiment to see what works best for you.
10-30-2012, 02:38 PM
10-30-2012, 02:43 PM
Alpine what are your test levels at with the 200mg a week if you don't mind me asking? Free and total? As you see my numbers were ridiculous
10-30-2012, 03:55 PM
10-30-2012, 09:45 PM
Alpine I thought you were like me at the 200mg a week? When did you drop down to 100 mg a week and how long were you on the 200?
10-31-2012, 08:35 AM
Wait, I thought I just read in another thread that you were taking 500 a week in another thread in Anabolics, Alpinecoach? If it wasn't you, sorry. Someone on here on TRT is in another thread currently taking 500, though.
I knew I wasn't crazy- you mention it in the Toco8 thread. I had to go back and look.
10-31-2012, 09:00 AM
You are accurate, currently on a blast 500mg/week for 8 weeks then back to TRT dose of 200mg/week. When I am on my TRT dose, I take 100mg/2xweek for a total of 200mg/week.
10-31-2012, 05:35 PM
What are you using for AI while on blast?Originally Posted by alpinecoach
11-01-2012, 09:33 AM
01-30-2013, 10:51 AM
02-01-2013, 01:57 PM
Alpine, what type of training do you do when your on the 200mg weekly trt of cypionate? More volume with higher reps or hit style with going to failure and infrequent training sessions? I was just curious.
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