RBC and MCV too high per dr, really tired. Dr said go donate blood. Why?

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    RBC and MCV too high per dr, really tired. Dr said go donate blood. Why?


    I inject .375ml of 200mg test/cyp once every 5 days. This has really helped the peaks and bottoming out problem when I injected a larger dose ever 2 weeks. I am tired, exhausted, you get the idea. Blood work yesterday came back with high RBC and high MCV. Phone call on voice mail said donate blood at the next drive I could get to. How will this help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog View Post
    I inject .375ml of 200mg test/cyp once every 5 days. This has really helped the peaks and bottoming out problem when I injected a larger dose ever 2 weeks. I am tired, exhausted, you get the idea. Blood work yesterday came back with high RBC and high MCV. Phone call on voice mail said donate blood at the next drive I could get to. How will this help?
    Check hydration first before giving blood.
    Did you drink any water before the blood test?
    Do you drink excessive amount of coffee or caffeine beverages.

    If you answered yes to either or of these questions and your dr did not even ask before making his response then i would really consider rechecking level after 2 weeks . I can not count the number of guys getting phleb because of drs being lazy asses and not asking
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Drink more water
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille
    Drink more water
    Common sense wins again....
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia
    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.













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    donating blood regularly isn't a bad thing anyhow, from a community support perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    donating blood regularly isn't a bad thing anyhow, from a community support perspective.
    If you want to run around with low ferritin levels which may not effect RBC, but rather mitochondrion function as well as neurological issues be my guest. People are so mislead by thinking iron is for RBC, better thing again because its a major player in RLS and also other dopamine related functions. I also see it common in people with tininitus which goes back to low dopamine levels.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    donating blood regularly isn't a bad thing anyhow, from a community support perspective.
    If you want to run around with low ferritin levels which may not effect RBC, but rather mitochondrion function as well as neurological issues be my guest. People are so mislead by thinking iron is for RBC, better thing again because its a major player in RLS and also other dopamine related functions. I also see it common in people with tininitus which goes back to low dopamine levels.
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia

    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog
    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia

    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.

    Point is examine the obvious before residing to.extreme that is.being proactive. Isolate the potential root causes by asking a few simple questions is all.it takes be surprise what you find. This is how i.am.educating drs to think..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog
    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia

    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.

    Point is examine the obvious before residing to.extreme that is.being proactive. Isolate the potential root causes by asking a few simple questions is all.it takes be surprise what you find. This is how i.am.educating drs to think..
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog View Post

    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia
    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.













    By all means if you predisposed to this issue donate blood and or lower dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog View Post

    Testosterone stimulates erythropoiesis, a fact which should
    alert physicians to thinking about testosterone insufficiency as a
    possible cause of anemia in male patients, especially in otherwise
    unexplained anemia
    [68,69]. Conversely, TRT can result in
    increases in hemoglobin and hematocrit which may rise about the
    upper limits of normal and put the patient at risk for an arterial
    occlusive event. When the hematocrit exceeds 0.50 L/L the dose of
    testosterone should be decreased. If the hematocrit continues to
    be overstimulated regardless of dose readjustments or if reducing
    the dose of testosterone re-introducessymptomsof hypogonadism,
    then it is reasonable to return the patient to physiological (effective)
    doses of testosterone and institute intermittent phlebotomies
    to keep the hematocrit below 0.50. Polycythemia can be induced
    by any form of testosterone administration but is most commonly
    found with testosterone injections.
    " I have been drinking lots of water, and stopped all caffeine, due to blood pressure issues and overall health.. This is not the first time in 12 years of hrt I have been told to give blood and questioned about water and caffeine intake" There are lazy asses and then there are smart asses.













    By all means if you predisposed to this issue donate blood and or lower dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ratdog View Post
    I inject .375ml of 200mg test/cyp once every 5 days. This has really helped the peaks and bottoming out problem when I injected a larger dose ever 2 weeks. I am tired, exhausted, you get the idea. Blood work yesterday came back with high RBC and high MCV. Phone call on voice mail said donate blood at the next drive I could get to. How will this help?
    donating blood will lower the amount of blood in your body and your body then will produce more blood thus diluting down your RBC concentration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille

    donating blood will lower the amount of blood in your body and your body then will produce more blood thus diluting down your RBC concentration.
    also if.he has low ferritin it will.make.it worse plus take.out copper zinc in the process. why rule.out.other variables before phlebs
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vassille

    donating blood will lower the amount of blood in your body and your body then will produce more blood thus diluting down your RBC concentration.
    also if.he has low ferritin it will.make.it worse plus take.out copper zinc in the process. why rule.out.other variables before phlebs
    I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
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    I donate a few times a year to keep my hematocrit levels in the safe zone. Many donation centers offer 'double red' donations. The machines takes out the red blood cells and puts everything else back. At least that is my understanding. So there should be no issues with losing iron, copper, zinc, etc. Right?
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