Need help! 19 y/o on TRT

[Mattinde520]

I'm in the same boat. 22 and I'm assuming I have low T. I destroyed myself with 4 uneducated cycles of Ph's. I took erase and it was night and day. It wasn't all sunshine and lollipops but I could communicate better, had more motivation and creativity, and wasn't the walking monster I was before. I'm looking for TRT and get bloods done tomoro. A good doctor is critical and you must assert yourself with them and tell them what you want. Otherwise ur just number to them and your bank account will take a beating. Did the gel do anything for you? I'm more interested in shots myself

[joe17little]

I'm in the same boat. 22 and I'm assuming I have low T. I destroyed myself with 4 uneducated cycles of Ph's. I took erase and it was night and day. It wasn't all sunshine and lollipops but I could communicate better, had more motivation and creativity, and wasn't the walking monster I was before. I'm looking for TRT and get bloods done tomoro. A good doctor is critical and you must assert yourself with them and tell them what you want. Otherwise ur just number to them and your bank account will take a beating. Did the gel do anything for you? I'm more interested in shots myself

The few months I was on it my T actually lowered

[The Matrix]

I'm in the same boat. 22 and I'm assuming I have low T. I destroyed myself with 4 uneducated cycles of Ph's. I took erase and it was night and day. It wasn't all sunshine and lollipops but I could communicate better, had more motivation and creativity, and wasn't the walking monster I was before. I'm looking for TRT and get bloods done tomoro. A good doctor is critical and you must assert yourself with them and tell them what you want. Otherwise ur just number to them and your bank account will take a beating. Did the gel do anything for you? I'm more interested in shots myself

You are 22 uneducated about hormones and last thing you need to be focusing on is TRT. You need to look at other factors which may be causing why your T is low in the first place. As many people are finding out they never really needed TRT in the first place, but because the Dr did not look at underlying issues years down the road they are still having symptoms. Even though some have improved, still having a hard time functioning on daily basis. If they where proper evaluation many of them would not have needed TRT and would not be in the position they are currently in. Some of the cases from Dr's I have had were just simple issues that needed to be addressed from the start. Once their patient found this out they want to strangle the Dr who put them on TRT in the first place. End message is TRT is needed for some and it can mask and cause other issues for others. I deal with this on a daily basis why I am educating drs on different approaches to get people restarted and healthy again not just use bandaid effects.

[Mattinde520]

So what are you suggesting Matrix? I know Trt sounds wierd for my age but I noticed dramatic improvement when I lowered my estro & cortisol and increased LH, what could it be? Ive been on every anti depressant and anti psychotic on the market. Once I stopped the PH's I have never been the same person. I know exactly who I am but when the mind is broken might as well start hanging the rope

[joe17little]

So what are you suggesting Matrix? I know Trt sounds wierd for my age but I noticed dramatic improvement when I lowered my estro & cortisol and increased LH, what could it be? Ive been on every anti depressant and anti psychotic on the market. Once I stopped the PH's I have never been the same person. I know exactly who I am but when the mind is broken might as well start hanging the rope

He's suggesting you find a doctor that is interested in finding why your T is low. And if you do find one that knows what they're doing they might be able to find the issue.

You could probably benefit from making your own thread, as I'm sure if coming off 4 cycles of doing it wrong is your issue, other opinions from people who have cycled a bunch would help.

[Mattinde520]

Ya its def. the issue. Its hard to find people who are interested and educated enough for good info. Thanks tho joe

[Crowned]

Alright my results are in. Keep in mind this is 12 hours fasted and I was instructed not to take my Axiron before the test.

LH < 0.2 MIU/ml
FSH < 0.2 MIU/ml
Estradiol 14.7 pg/ml
Testosterone, Serum 120 ng/dl

Also, Platelets were low (139 x10E3uL), normal is 140-415
Eos was high at 10 (normal is 0-7)
Eos absolute was high at 0.7 (normal is 0.0-0.4)

Can anyone infer from this?


I had something simular to this also. First of all the half life of the testostorne suspesion is 2 hours or less, thats why on the charts for studies the testostorne level peaks at 2 hours. So if you miss a day, it can change your testostorone levels alot. Also sometimes the body shuts down all of the testostorne production when you start receving external sources. I had the same probelm also, where my testostorne was actually lower after starting therpy. You need to double your dosage, so it replaces the testostorne your body stopped producing. Another funny thing with transdermal is the rate of converstaion to DHT and estrogen. My body hair grew alot faster and my prostate was starting to swell, so I was put on finseratide. That has helped alot, and now my body hair is growing slower then before therpy.

[The Matrix]

Alright my results are in. Keep in mind this is 12 hours fasted and I was instructed not to take my Axiron before the test.

LH < 0.2 MIU/ml
FSH < 0.2 MIU/ml
Estradiol 14.7 pg/ml
Testosterone, Serum 120 ng/dl

Also, Platelets were low (139 x10E3uL), normal is 140-415
Eos was high at 10 (normal is 0-7)
Eos absolute was high at 0.7 (normal is 0.0-0.4)

Can anyone infer from this?


I had something simular to this also. First of all the half life of the testostorne suspesion is 2 hours or less, thats why on the charts for studies the testostorne level peaks at 2 hours. So if you miss a day, it can change your testostorone levels alot. Also sometimes the body shuts down all of the testostorne production when you start receving external sources. I had the same probelm also, where my testostorne was actually lower after starting therpy. You need to double your dosage, so it replaces the testostorne your body stopped producing. Another funny thing with transdermal is the rate of converstaion to DHT and estrogen. My body hair grew alot faster and my prostate was starting to swell, so I was put on finseratide. That has helped alot, and now my body hair is growing slower then before therpy.

Please start your own thread be glad to help.
Finasteride is bad news for a lot of guys, Dr who gave it to you probably had no idea had bad it was for you. I am handle several cases of guys who have major side effects which are destroying their life ...Not a pleasant drug.

[Crowned]

Please start your own thread be glad to help.
Finasteride is bad news for a lot of guys, Dr who gave it to you probably had no idea had bad it was for you. I am handle several cases of guys who have major side effects which are destroying their life ...Not a pleasant drug.

That maybe true, but it is a case to case basis. I knew my father has been on it for 15 years and not suffering from those side effects of sexual regression. He acutually seems to be very active physically and sexually. He is 63 and can't sit down. I have noticed myself I feel better on it also and also have more enegry, my sex drive has stayed at the same. Yet I have heard there are men who haved thier sex drive killed by it. If someone closely related to you took it, you should ask them how it affected them. Still it is hit or miss.

[The Matrix]

That maybe true, but it is a case to case basis. I knew my father has been on it for 15 years and not suffering from those side effects of sexual regression. He acutually seems to be very active physically and sexually. He is 63 and can't sit down. I have noticed myself I feel better on it also and also have more enegry, my sex drive has stayed at the same. Yet I have heard there are men who haved thier sex drive killed by it. If someone closely related to you took it, you should ask them how it affected them. Still it is hit or miss.

The Drug effects gene expression of the DRD2 gene which 30-40% of americans have. This explains why it so destructive.

[blackmh160]

19 and Low T? My opion is if you have low t at the age of 19, you have a lot of stress in your life and bad real bad health. You need to see what kind of natural remedy's you can use until you can go to a Endo.

[vassille]

When the HPTA axis is shut down one avenue is to take a low dose testosterone. THis will accomplish 2 things:
1. Keeps your brain from going into a major depression
2. Let your body level off hormonally
Once this is accomplished taper off test, keep estrogen at bay and let your body try to kick start itself.
It might take few weeks or few months or a year you never know.
If the nads are working then the pituitary needs restart which its feedback mechanism is the estrogen levels. If the pituitary is shot then TRT not much you can do unless you want to try some test boosters.

[vassille]

The Drug effects gene expression of the DRD2 gene which 30-40% of americans have. This explains why it so destructive.

I agree
I have run into many ppl with this issue. It only takes one time to burn out the production of DHT and you are done. Sex will be a thing of the past but you will have hair...

[Crowned]

Yes well I guess my family is the over 60-70% of the population. Is there a way of getting tested to found out? I never heard it was a spefic gene causing no DHT levels. I have personally seen a couple of men who actually become much more sexual after finerstride. Other then my father there is my friends boyfriend who is a sex freak. He checks out every girl, even if they are hideous, and has alot of sex. He will tell her that he has sex with 3-4 girls in one night sometimes and have sex with aleast 6 a week. Is there a reason why the drug could be causing elvated sexual levels? I know it increases estrogen and testostrone levels, while decreasing DHT. He seems to be more feminized since then when he started for example less body hair, less muscle mass and some gyno for someone who is skinny.

[The Matrix]

Yes well I guess my family is the over 60-70% of the population. Is there a way of getting tested to found out? I never heard it was a spefic gene causing no DHT levels. I have personally seen a couple of men who actually become much more sexual after finerstride. Other then my father there is my friends boyfriend who is a sex freak. He checks out every girl, even if they are hideous, and has alot of sex. He will tell her that he has sex with 3-4 girls in one night sometimes and have sex with aleast 6 a week. Is there a reason why the drug could be causing elvated sexual levels? I know it increases estrogen and testostrone levels, while decreasing DHT. He seems to be more feminized since then when he started for example less body hair, less muscle mass and some gyno for someone who is skinny.

ACtually every case I have work with PFS has genetic mutations (been multiple) which opens the door up to a whole new approach. The drug as pretty much same as accutane does which is also noted for the same side effects. I am just approaching these case in a different light then just having Dr use hormones which IMO may make a person feel good short term, but not a long term solution. I am looking for root cause and imbalances in the body to resolve the issue not potentially make more. I know a Dr no names given that is using 400-600 mgs T weekly with PFS they are feeling great, but in no way a long term solution. Its even a dangerous one at that.

[joe17little]

Hey guys, got some new info but please, let's keep this thread specific to the situation and other threads can be created to go off topic.
And read the whole thread before commenting to better grasp the situation.


So my mom's friend referred me to an MD/ND in So-Cal, she had had adrenal issues and hormonal issues as well and got treatment from this doc. Was very pricey, but it went very well. We discussed my health history, and it seems that my immune system has been under a lot of stress for a few years now. Have had pneumonia twice, and strep throat once, and one of the times I had pneumonia was months before strep and was given antibiotics for both. The doc ordered a test to check for Epstein Barr and natural T killers to better evaluate the situation, but he is also interested in looking into the unnamed parasite I tested positive for back in June which my other ND said was insignificant, which is probably is.

If the EB test comes back negative, then we're going to look into bacterial infections in the GI and other things similar to what Matrix originally suggested months ago and I've been asking doctors about all summer. Really glad that a doc is actually listening to me at this point.

Took an ACTH stimulation test last week too, haven't seen the results yet. But my most recent labs that came back showed normal uric acid, normal c-reactive protein, and high morning cortisol again.

The doctor has started me on HCG twice a week and I'll be retesting test, estradiol, and cortisol levels again in 8 weeks.

There was also a nutritionist on staff at the office, and we discussed some of my symptoms, including how I've been raising my calories for months now and have been unable to acquire fat or muscle on the same calories that I used to bulk on, same weight. Also, how I like to practice intermittent fasting because a lot of my fatigue and mental clarity symptoms go away until I break the fast and have my first meal. They are very interested in my case and they putting the pieces to the puzzle together, rather just than addressing symptoms like low t, high cortisol, high dhea.

[vassille]

Good, looks like you heading in the right direction. WIth some of the things you have brought up sounds like your immune system had a lot of things to battle. To me it looks like you might have multiples things going on here or one creating all this mess.
I remember when I had lymes some years ago I was a mess for 2 years. Im glad a smart doc knew what it was off the bat but still the bug kicked my ass.

[The Matrix]

Good, looks like you heading in the right direction. WIth some of the things you have brought up sounds like your immune system had a lot of things to battle. To me it looks like you might have multiples things going on here or one creating all this mess.
I remember when I had lymes some years ago I was a mess for 2 years. Im glad a smart doc knew what it was off the bat but still the bug kicked my ass.

Most ND are not the smartest cookies in the bunch ..People can pass exams, but can they apply what they learn is the question? Glad you are getting help, but its amazing if people would just have listened months ago LOL..Its not rocket science

[joe17little]

Another update:

Nearly a month into HCG, seeing some slight improvements in symptoms, but nothing really noticeable. Won't know my test levels until I get them drawn in a few weeks.

Just started taking a supp called GI Microb-X to eliminate whatever pathogens or parasites are in my gut.

Also taking a supp called Prostate Supreme which has been really helpful and rhus tox for my joints. I can't say whether the rhus tox is working or not though, still a lot of joint pain in my feet since I play a lot of basketball.

[joe17little]

And also, my results came back that indicated I had contracted Epstein Barr at some point although it was no longer affecting me. Not sure how significant that is, but has to be somewhat important if I had an illness that was never diagnosed and therefore never treated.