High test Results, feel very Good!
- 03-08-2012, 12:56 AM
High test Results, feel very Good!
I have been on TRT for three years now. I started on Testim and Androgel, one pack a day. After a while it started to fail me and I became lethargic and sex drive left me. My Doc started me on injections two months ago and I just got my results back today from Quest Labs. That's the only lab my Doc uses and I feel a little lucky my Primary will give me the T without having to go to a specialist. He told me to inject .8 mil weekly but I broke it up to .4 mil EOD. witch is a little more than he wanted. This is 200mg per 1mil T/Cyp. My results are high and he told me to reduce to .6 per week or stretch it out more. Just want to add that I feel very good, maybe a little aggressive but not bad. Sex drive is good but use help for erections, I'm 55 yrs.old. I know that the Quest Estrodial test is not every ones favorite but its all I have. My last estrodial score was 6! What do ypiu think about that high free test score? Is whatever good I should expect from it be offset by the high estrogen?
Estrodial Ultrasensitive -55- < OR + 29 pr/ml
Testosterone Total - 1703- 250-1100 ng/dl
Free Testtosterone - 287.8- 35.0 - 155.0 pg/ml
I take 500 mg of Nettle root Extract daily and thinking about some DHEA. Would 25 mg of DHEA be a good starting dose? I have not used HCG before because I dont need more kids and I dont mind small balls. Actually I think some girls like it. But would I gain anything from HCG therapy? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
- 03-08-2012, 05:41 AM
glad to see its working out for you. I also take .6 weekly. you should probaly should be retested with the .6 dosage then see where you are at.
- 03-08-2012, 08:40 AM
Your test is way to high and potentialyl harmful being that high for as old as you are.
Ultra sensitive test is no longer used by good drs. Its all over the place with readings. use 4021
DHEA in this case would be NOT be adviseable because of your e2 being elevated, your DHT was not measure neither was your thyroid parameters.
Great your Dr's open minded but he needs to reduce the T levels significantly other there is no medical validation for being that high. You have any issues then his azz is grass. HCG at age of 55 would not be advisable because last thing you care about is fertility at this point. It will just complicate matters increasing e2 levels even more.I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
03-08-2012, 09:14 AM
I am using .4 every third day not EOD sorry about that. Should I stay at .4 and inject every fourth day or .3 every third day? I took .5mg of arimidex after seeing the high E2 but I dont trust this test either.
03-08-2012, 09:41 AM
.I do Monday and Thursday shots. .30 should put you up in 1000 at trough.
I am not a medical Dr, please keep in mind that this answer is for information purposes only, and is not intended to diagnose, treat or replace sound medical advice from your physician or health care provider.
03-08-2012, 10:39 AM
Matrix: Why do people still take DHEA, I thought everyone was going to 7 Keto. . . . At least what an anti aging DO told me back in 2008 due to conversion issues. Never took it myself in either form so not sure what the prevailing thought is now.
03-08-2012, 12:18 PM
So .3 twice a week or every third day? Should I look into DHEA Keto7, does this one not convert to E2? Or just stay away? Thank You
03-08-2012, 12:23 PM
03-08-2012, 12:43 PM
What about 7-keto topical. Does it not act similarly to DHEA and not have oral bioavailability issues? What about 3, 7 keto? Just curious as I was advised by my docs that DHEA not necessarily good for younger, age 60 or less, males in most situations (except pain management patients, older males with osteo and low DHEA, DHEA-S and etc.), but I never took keto either.
03-08-2012, 02:23 PM
I take HCG. Why would you not take it? It helps with normal functions as much as possible and you want that. There is no down side to taking HCG, as long as it's reasonable, like 250-500ius per week.
If you need to control your E2, get a real AI like aromasin.
Stay away from DHEA. It can really harm your kidneys. And why would you want to take that anyway when your test levels are good?
03-08-2012, 03:51 PM
I have friends who are permanently shut down at 40 who also don't feel worth a crap unless they are keeping levels really high. I guess the dependency factor and law of diminishing returns would be my concern if applicable. I get just having high test levels might not cause problems assuming, if possible, that everything else in check such as E2, DHEA and -S and SHBG. Though those would seem to follow the higher you get and knocking those down say with Danzol would just lower DHEA and -S. Seems to be no free ride and in 10 years where would one be at as far as what is needed to feel okay and as far as heart issues, prostate and etc. Maybe just better off to accept decent feel associated with 700 than super human feel at a constant 1,400.
03-08-2012, 04:03 PM
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03-08-2012, 07:16 PM
Dude, sorry to hear about prostate issues. That must have sucked. A buddy of mine had a jelly fish fall down the front of his swim trunks while surfing hurricane Irenne this summer. He swole up so bad they had to cath him.
03-09-2012, 12:45 AM
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03-09-2012, 07:56 AM
If strength is your goal, then that's different from a goal of building quality muscle and overall health. But if a guy is on all the gear you described and is "pathetically weak," then there is something seriously wrong with his gear. If I want pure strength, my sweet spot is 500mgs of test e per week plus 50mgs of anadrol per day. If I want aesthetics, then I'd opt for maybe 500mgs of test e, plus 400mgs of tren a, aromasin, and "maybe" dbol, .25mgs per day. If I want to cruise, I take between 200-400mgs of test e per week. Taking any amount of AAS doesn't mean you're all of a sudden the strongest guy in the gym or the meanest MMA fighter in the ring, it just means you should have increased your performance by some percentage. I've never competed in any weight lifting contest or body building contest, so I don't what goes on there. All I know is that I went from 190 pounds to 250 pounds. I put on two inches on my biceps and neck. I can now bench 40% more than I could when I was 25. Ultimately, I don't care how my lifts compare to a guy in some gym who is not on gear. I just know that when I look at my performance, I went up considerably. It's all about me, not the guys in the locker room.
03-09-2012, 09:26 AM
hey Matrix I agree with you. I did 1999 JR. USA's WHEN I was 21 as a lightheavy. The guys in their 30s and 40s some where bragging about how much **** they were taking and they looked like s***. More is definately not better for all. DetroitHammer keep up the good work and watch your bloodwork!!
03-09-2012, 10:03 AM
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