Prolactin Levels Destroying Sex Life...

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24/very healthy/no AAS use/pubertal gyno which was removed/train hard 4x a week with good knowledge and practise of diet.

Problems (severely affecting my self esteem, confidence and my relationship with a hot girlfriend)

- low libido, it comes back for a day or two but not what it should be like at my age.
- Delayed ejaculation - sometimes it takes me forever to cum and we just give up trying. Its not the girl.
- Sometimes (40-60%) of the time during intercourse I dont get feeling (in penis head) at all! Its not that i dont feel inside her, because the times I do it feels amazing and can bust my barrel quickly if I chose to.
- Definate mood change - feel blue 1 out of 7 days for no reason in particular.

my prolactin was in the abnormal range last months blood test, my stupid doc didn't give me the figure or print it out for me, however i caught the word 'abnormal' on his screen to which he said ''your only 3 over the range its not severe''.

my question is do these symptoms sound like elevated common prolactin related issues??
is prolactin a sex drive killer like they make it out??
any thoughts/help/advice appreciated...i feel suicidal this situation is so bad and affecting my partner!
 
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could be first step is a blood test though and if you have high prolactin they will prob prescribe some cabergoline
 
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First step is see your physician a blood test is very simple and you may also wish to seek a psychologist who may be able to help the emotional side of things. They will only get better if you are willing to seek medical help good luck I hope it all works out for you.
 

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First blood test showed abnormal levels of prolactin, this second one will hopefully re-affirm my notions. The gyno formed years ago im assuming must also have been a prolactin issue.

My refractory period after my gun shoots its barrel is that of an old man (at least 10 hours) so thats another prolactin negative..

god help me here.
 
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If that is the case look up cabergoline. It is a very effective RX at controlling prolactin with good results and well tolerated.
 
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If that is the case look up cabergoline. It is a very effective RX at controlling prolactin with good results and well tolerated.
Yup, get a script for cabergoline, and an MRI to throw out any pituitary tumor possibilities. Also, talk to Matrix. :)
 
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Yup, get a script for cabergoline, and an MRI to throw out any pituitary tumor possibilities. Also, talk to Matrix. :)
1. MRI to rule out structural imbalances or tumors
2. Proper evaluation of thyroid function as well as look for things which may affect it peripherally
3. Zinc and b-6 deficiency
4. Evaluate neurotransmitters for decreased dopamine levels or look for reason why (GI tract, adrenal imbalances)
5. Do not take a drug till rule out other issues - exhaust all possiblity - drugs are not long term solutions just bandaids in these casses
 

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1. MRI to rule out structural imbalances or tumors
2. Proper evaluation of thyroid function as well as look for things which may affect it peripherally
3. Zinc and b-6 deficiency
4. Evaluate neurotransmitters for decreased dopamine levels or look for reason why (GI tract, adrenal imbalances)
5. Do not take a drug till rule out other issues - exhaust all possiblity - drugs are not long term solutions just bandaids in these casses
Thankyou for responding to my thread.

Does this sound like a usual prolactin case?
I'm wondering if me actually 'feeling' intercourse is also hormonal based? eg E2

Would like for you to look over my bloods in a few weeks if that was at all possible (i tried to PM you but it wont let me, perhaps PM me your email address if thats okay with you - my doc is useless and so are many in this area)
 

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Hey forum,

24/very healthy/no AAS use/pubertal gyno which was removed/train hard 4x a week with good knowledge and practise of diet.

Problems (severely affecting my self esteem, confidence and my relationship with a hot girlfriend)

- low libido, it comes back for a day or two but not what it should be like at my age.
- Delayed ejaculation - sometimes it takes me forever to cum and we just give up trying. Its not the girl.
- Sometimes (40-60%) of the time during intercourse I dont get feeling (in penis head) at all! Its not that i dont feel inside her, because the times I do it feels amazing and can bust my barrel quickly if I chose to.
- Definate mood change - feel blue 1 out of 7 days for no reason in particular.

my prolactin was in the abnormal range last months blood test, my stupid doc didn't give me the figure or print it out for me, however i caught the word 'abnormal' on his screen to which he said ''your only 3 over the range its not severe''.

my question is do these symptoms sound like elevated common prolactin related issues??
is prolactin a sex drive killer like they make it out??
any thoughts/help/advice appreciated...i feel suicidal this situation is so bad and affecting my partner!
It sounds like depression to me bro, not a prolactin issue. See your primary care physician. You can get blood work done to rule out hormonal deficiencies, but at 24 my guess is depression.
 
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It sounds like depression to me bro, not a prolactin issue. See your primary care physician. You can get blood work done to rule out hormonal deficiencies, but at 24 my guess is depression.
It is just hard to say for sure it is like a cycle with people...did the depression cause the issues or did the issues cause the depression and it just kept spiraling out of control?
 
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No way any of us on a forum could say for sure, even the ones in the medical field without specific testing and evaluation.

I'm not convinced 100% it's PRL related but it's possible. Agree with Matrix list. Just get in to the doctor and start working on finding a possible solution.
Good luck with the situation though. That's frustrating.
 
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No way any of us on a forum could say for sure, even the ones in the medical field without specific testing and evaluation.

I'm not convinced 100% it's PRL related but it's possible. Agree with Matrix list. Just get in to the doctor and start working on finding a possible solution.
Good luck with the situation though. That's frustrating.
Again need to look for pathology of the issue. Where is the stress coming from? Depression is 80% biologically based as a cause, mental issues are only a side effect of that issue
 

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welcome to the club my friend! i also have this issue for 2 years.I have exactly the same symptoms.Did you eat oats and caseine(gainers), did you have high fat diet including some oils(especially canola oil)?Are you eating a lot of meat?Are you stressed?Have you ever use fenugreek suplements?
 

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do you have low cholesterol and high estrogens issues?
 
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welcome to the club my friend! i also have this issue for 2 years.I have exactly the same symptoms.Did you eat oats and caseine(gainers), did you have high fat diet including some oils(especially canola oil)?Are you eating a lot of meat?Are you stressed?Have you ever use fenugreek suplements?

Hi,

yes I have taken casein numerous times, and eat lots of oats as a staple of my diet.

i include moderate fats in my diet.

Lots of meat eaten obviously.

Currently stressed about my career, and financial pressure in life - in order to support my mother, my future family and my girlfriend.

never used fenugreek..

May I ask you about why you queried about oats/casein?
 

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sounds more like prostatitis. high prolactin along with not being able to feel her sounds like a inflammed prostate. a inflammed prostate causes gyno,no feeling during sex,depression,low sex drive and so on and so on.
 

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Oats and casein promotes clostridia in the gut.High fat diet promotes bacteroids via bile over production.These strains of bacterias produces beta glucoronidaze enzymes that afects estrogens metabolism (reabsorption) and leads to estrogen dominance.Bacteroids produces an enzyme called 7 hydroxylase that deconjugates bile acids in the liver, leading to poor lipid absorption and metabolism, and cloged bile.Thickened bile leads to low stomach acids, reducing vit d,calcium, zinc, magnesium absorption.Vitamin malabsorptions=starvation, and starvation leads to cellular hypothyroidism.

Hypothyroidism=high prolactin via trh activity
zinc,calcium,magnesium dficiency=high prolactin
low vit d=low ionic calcium=increase il 6 levels=high prolactin
high clostridia=neurotransmitters imbalence=low dopamine=high prolactin(since dopamine is the prolactin inibiting factor)

High fat diet rich in omega 6 promotes inflamation due to omega 3/6 ratio.Inflamation+cortisol decreases deodinase 2 activity by increasing reverse t 3 levels that leads to cellular hypothyroidism and obviously high prolactin levels.

Your body is burning inside due to hidden stress.Prolactin is just an information that your body is dealing with inflamation.You need to figure out whats wrong.Proper test and evaluation needed.
 
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Oats and casein promotes clostridia in the gut.High fat diet promotes bacteroids via bile over production.These strains of bacterias produces beta glucoronidaze enzymes that afects estrogens metabolism (reabsorption) and leads to estrogen dominance.Bacteroids produces an enzyme called 7 hydroxylase that deconjugates bile acids in the liver, leading to poor lipid absorption and metabolism, and cloged bile.Thickened bile leads to low stomach acids, reducing vit d,calcium, zinc, magnesium absorption.Vitamin malabsorptions=starvation, and starvation leads to cellular hypothyroidism.

Hypothyroidism=high prolactin via trh activity
zinc,calcium,magnesium dficiency=high prolactin
low vit d=low ionic calcium=increase il 6 levels=high prolactin
high clostridia=neurotransmitters imbalence=low dopamine=high prolactin(since dopamine is the prolactin inibiting factor)

High fat diet rich in omega 6 promotes inflamation due to omega 3/6 ratio.Inflamation+cortisol decreases deodinase 2 activity by increasing reverse t 3 levels that leads to cellular hypothyroidism and obviously high prolactin levels.

Your body is burning inside due to hidden stress.Prolactin is just an information that your body is dealing with inflamation.You need to figure out whats wrong.Proper test and evaluation needed.
Very good grasshopper !! LOL
You learn well...
 

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Please explain the Fenugreek issue. Thanks
 

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Fenugreek is a galactogogue used for centuries to promote milk production.This herb ehance prolactin production.

You can google it.There is several studies on fenugreek availaible.
 
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Fenugreek is a galactogogue used for centuries to promote milk production.This herb ehance prolactin production.

You can google it.There is several studies on fenugreek availaible.
Yes this was used for lactations for women
tribulus may also be a possible issue with some people as well for elevated estrogen issues
 

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Oats and casein promotes clostridia in the gut.High fat diet promotes bacteroids via bile over production.These strains of bacterias produces beta glucoronidaze enzymes that afects estrogens metabolism (reabsorption) and leads to estrogen dominance.Bacteroids produces an enzyme called 7 hydroxylase that deconjugates bile acids in the liver, leading to poor lipid absorption and metabolism, and cloged bile.Thickened bile leads to low stomach acids, reducing vit d,calcium, zinc, magnesium absorption.Vitamin malabsorptions=starvation, and starvation leads to cellular hypothyroidism.

Hypothyroidism=high prolactin via trh activity
zinc,calcium,magnesium dficiency=high prolactin
low vit d=low ionic calcium=increase il 6 levels=high prolactin
high clostridia=neurotransmitters imbalence=low dopamine=high prolactin(since dopamine is the prolactin inibiting factor)

High fat diet rich in omega 6 promotes inflamation due to omega 3/6 ratio.Inflamation+cortisol decreases deodinase 2 activity by increasing reverse t 3 levels that leads to cellular hypothyroidism and obviously high prolactin levels.

Your body is burning inside due to hidden stress.Prolactin is just an information that your body is dealing with inflamation.You need to figure out whats wrong.Proper test and evaluation needed.
Wow. Thankyou. That sure is intricate.

Its amazing that my girlfriend will think I am suffering because I dont like her when people dont realise such intricate issues like this can occur and mess us up!

when you say proper test and evaluation are needed - would you have a a guideline as to what you mean?
Here in the UK i'll probably have to go from dr to endo to dr back to another endo. I would love a one-stop person who can help me back to life!

Awaiting my second bloods in which i hope prolactin is elevated again to which I can then lower through some means.
 

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1. MRI to rule out structural imbalances or tumors
2. Proper evaluation of thyroid function as well as look for things which may affect it peripherally
3. Zinc and b-6 deficiency
4. Evaluate neurotransmitters for decreased dopamine levels or look for reason why (GI tract, adrenal imbalances)
5. Do not take a drug till rule out other issues - exhaust all possiblity - drugs are not long term solutions just bandaids in these casses
Hi Matrix, would like to PM you once I reach my 7 posts here, I've read your posts, and I really think someone like yourself with your knowledge and understanding can possibly help me get my life back.

4. evaluate neurotransmitters....

if it helps I would say I abused pre workouts , caffiene etc for at least 2/3 years possibly causing this?

How could I heal my adrenals - with what supplements in particular? im currently taking n-acetyl tyrosine every few days at 1gr in the morning and other herbal things like muira puama and maca to boost dopamine production (as well as fish oil, zinc).

Also what amount of b6 do you think would be beneficial to me? ive heard even as high as 600mg.

Thanks
 

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Blackcofee be careful with fish oils since it can lowers your testosterone levels.The matrix has dealt with several cases like this.Dr's and untrained endos are a waste of time, its the worst thing you can do unless you want to loose money.Im french and i have seen 37 doctors including specialist and i ended up depressed because of them.They kept tellin me that everything was in my head.One day i squeezed my tits in front of a Dr and when milk came out i was like"you sure evrything is in my head mofo".You can read my story, i think we have a lot of things in common.I started to study functional medicine with the matrix help and now i see some improvment, and im just at the begining of my protocol.Im so exited.

For specific test you must ask the matrix, and for christ's sake, dont waste your time with Dr's.Just ask them for bloodworks thats all.
 

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I would be careful with herbs especially the kind of herbs you're using.To much vit b6 can be toxic for your nervous system.Some guys on this board has experienced some problems with huge b6 dose, and to much zinc will deplete your copper levels so watch out!
 

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I'd look into a learning a meditation technique and developing a daily practice. Meditation is quite good for the adrenals and will help with your stress.

I've been doing 45 min a day for the last 2 months and I feel much better than I did 2 months ago. I got into it because of a terrible bout of insomnia which I think was also related to stress, cortisol, adrenals, etc.

Mike Mahler articles got me thinking about meditation differently. It's a mental exercise and relaxation technique which aids in recovery from physical work. Meditation is the perfect augment to a physical exercise regimen.
 
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I'd look into a learning a meditation technique and developing a daily practice. Meditation is quite good for the adrenals and will help with your stress.

I've been doing 45 min a day for the last 2 months and I feel much better than I did 2 months ago. I got into it because of a terrible bout of insomnia which I think was also related to stress, cortisol, adrenals, etc.

Mike Mahler articles got me thinking about meditation differently. It's a mental exercise and relaxation technique which aids in recovery from physical work. Meditation is the perfect augment to a physical exercise regimen.
Skilled relaxation - google it
 

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Thanks again, will look into Skilled Relaxation.

Matrix, do you think its possible that alot of these side effects can be due to lots of stress etc and that my prolactin issue *can* resolve over time??

Will adding a high strength acidophillus product be of any benefit?? I work in a health store so can get them cheap anyhow.
 
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Thanks again, will look into Skilled Relaxation.

Matrix, do you think its possible that alot of these side effects can be due to lots of stress etc and that my prolactin issue *can* resolve over time??

Will adding a high strength acidophillus product be of any benefit?? I work in a health store so can get them cheap anyhow.
Need.to.isolate.the imbalances in the body to know that answer.
 
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Fenugreek is a galactogogue used for centuries to promote milk production.This herb ehance prolactin production.

You can google it.There is several studies on fenugreek availaible.
but this not include the fenisudes from fenugreek?
 
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I would be careful with herbs especially the kind of herbs you're using.To much vit b6 can be toxic for your nervous system.Some guys on this board has experienced some problems with huge b6 dose, and to much zinc will deplete your copper levels so watch out!
If supplementing with zinc what would be signs of your copper being low? Does it manifest itself in any particular fashion?
 
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If supplementing with zinc what would be signs of your copper being low? Does it manifest itself in any particular fashion?
I have the person dr monitor CBC, and also ceruloplasms levels when on zinc therapy.
 

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**Update from my bloods**

Prolactin level - 312 mIU/L (Range is 86-324 U)

Thyroid Function Test

Serum TSH level - 2.48 mIU/L (Range is 0.27 - 4.20 U)
Serm free T4 level - 17.66 pmol/L (Range is 12 - 22 U)

Can anyone tell from this whether or not the thyroid is causing possible High prolactin which in turn I feel is inhibiting my testosterone and lowering my libido?

I am still awaiting my male hormone panel (free test, test etc) but am wondering if you guys can indicate anything possibly from the 3 values given.

Thanks
 
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**Update from my bloods**

Prolactin level - 312 mIU/L (Range is 86-324 U)

Thyroid Function Test

Serum TSH level - 2.48 mIU/L (Range is 0.27 - 4.20 U)
Serm free T4 level - 17.66 pmol/L (Range is 12 - 22 U)

Can anyone tell from this whether or not the thyroid is causing possible High prolactin which in turn I feel is inhibiting my testosterone and lowering my libido?

I am still awaiting my male hormone panel (free test, test etc) but am wondering if you guys can indicate anything possibly from the 3 values given.

Thanks
not enough data to conclude.
 

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Thanks Matrix,

emailed you the other day regarding working together to get my drive back and prolactin down. please check when you get a chance.
 

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You need to look out your citokines activity since you can be th2 domminant.TH1 and TH2 are the main immune response for infection and inflamation.Some immune response can increase prolactin trough complex mecanism.Vasoactive intestinal peptide is the main prolactin ehancer in the gut.IL-2 and IL6 will promote prolactin production also via T-cells activity.Stress , poor digestion, nutritional imbalence will cause high prolactin, not depression.

Furthermore cabergoline will cause more imbalence in your brain chemistry.I have used it, i know what im talkin about.It can be effective in somes cases,particulary with bodybuilders suffering from steroids side effects like deca durabolin but we both are not in that case.

I try to get in touch with a D.C called mark scott that has succesfully treated people with high prolactin levels with functional medicine approach.I I will keep you update.
 
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You need to look out your citokines activity since you can be th2 domminant.TH1 and TH2 are the main immune response for infection and inflamation.Some immune response can increase prolactin trough complex mecanism.Vasoactive intestinal peptide is the main prolactin ehancer in the gut.IL-2 and IL6 will promote prolactin production also via T-cells activity.Stress , poor digestion, nutritional imbalence will cause high prolactin, not depression.

Furthermore cabergoline will cause more imbalence in your brain chemistry.I have used it, i know what im talkin about.It can be effective in somes cases,particulary with bodybuilders suffering from steroids side effects like deca durabolin but we both are not in that case.

I try to get in touch with a D.C called mark scott that has succesfully treated people with high prolactin levels with functional medicine approach.I I will keep you update.
Funick972 is dead on the money...I have been reiterating this time and time again, Hormones are just expressions of deeper issues including genes and other numerous factors (immune, neurological, lifestyles, nutrition, environment)


Balancing the immune system through modulation of the GI tract / neurotransmitter is crucial to proper recovery from majority of health issues. I can not emphasis the importance of GI tract. After months of research and designing cutting edge GI protocols for Drs, patients are starting to make improvements in their symptoms.
 

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I think you are on the money here guys, thankyou both. I would have gone the drug route - dostinex, caber.

I was horny as hell all morning had good libido - had 2 pots of quinoa/bulgar wheat/cous cous (contains GLUTEN) and then boom- nothing, no thoughts or erections.....i wondered digestion, but have seen that gluten intolerance causes high prolactin ---> lowered libido...

Im narrowing down the problems. Now to test my gluten sensitivity..
 
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I think you are on the money here guys, thankyou both. I would have gone the drug route - dostinex, caber.

I was horny as hell all morning had good libido - had 2 pots of quinoa/bulgar wheat/cous cous (contains GLUTEN) and then boom- nothing, no thoughts or erections.....i wondered digestion, but have seen that gluten intolerance causes high prolactin ---> lowered libido...

Im narrowing down the problems. Now to test my gluten sensitivity..
As i mentioned something so simple gets over looked by medical dr's, You put your body into an inflammatory state it will affect hormone and neurological expressions. It is as simple as that !!
 

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Matrix do you think i should get tested for gluten intolerence?
 
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Matrix do you think i should get tested for gluten intolerence?
Tests are very difficult and not worth it. People show up false negatives all the time. Do not waste your money.
 

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well im limiting/cutting out my gluten for a while, see what happens.

Matrix I'm working on killing the inflammation in my gut and healing my adrenals with help of a local practitioner, lets see how things go.

I wonder what timeframe we are looking at to getting things sorted??? weeks? months?
 
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well im limiting/cutting out my gluten for a while, see what happens.

Matrix I'm working on killing the inflammation in my gut and healing my adrenals with help of a local practitioner, lets see how things go.

I wonder what timeframe we are looking at to getting things sorted??? weeks? months?

Had Dr's patients respond in 4 weeks, but its all about compliance. They where companing the whole time, but where amazed by what it can do. My GI protocol was introduced to health rehab center in florida in front of 10 medical professionals in a case management meeting. Medical professionals where extremely open minded about the idea. Probably go down in next few months to help over see it. Coffee, need to go deeper still looking at only 40% of the equation need other parts that are missing.
 

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