test cyp IM with insulin syringe

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  1. Did my first quad injection with the slin pin just now. Painless and simple. Don't know if I got into the muscle, but I guess sub Q would be OK too, according to what I've read. The only slin pins I had on hand were 30 Gauge 5/16". I'll report back if there are any issues.
    Pinned .5 CC Test cyp and .25 CC Deca.
    It was almost "too easy" and took the fun out of it.

    I drew with a normal syringe and backloaded the slin pin. Is this what you guys do? Or do you do both draw and inject with the slin pin? That point seems like it would dull quickly.


  2. I draw and inject with the same insulin needle. It does seem like it dulls the needle a good bit, but that doesn't matter much when using a small 28g-30g needle.
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  3. OK. I gotta ask this question. A lot of guys on other boards (some very experienced) are saying that there is a greater chance of sterile abscess doing oil sub Q injections due to the fact that the oil takes longer to disperse and may not even fully disperse.
    I did an inject (quad)this morning of .5 CC test Cyp and .25 CC Deca. Don't know if I made it into the muscle or not with my 30g 5/16" slin pin (I doubt it) and am now wondering was it safe or not. Any more input on this???

  4. I think that would only become a problem if you were injecting a large amount of oil at one time. The subQ method seems to be used for about .5cc more or less. You will need to get a longer needle than 5/16" though; thats only about a quarter inch long. Most of the guys that I got advice from use 27-29g 1/2".

  5. Quote Originally Posted by JohninAZ View Post
    OK. I gotta ask this question. A lot of guys on other boards (some very experienced) are saying that there is a greater chance of sterile abscess doing oil sub Q injections due to the fact that the oil takes longer to disperse and may not even fully disperse.
    I did an inject (quad)this morning of .5 CC test Cyp and .25 CC Deca. Don't know if I made it into the muscle or not with my 30g 5/16" slin pin (I doubt it) and am now wondering was it safe or not. Any more input on this???
    Are they talking about injecting TRT doses or steroid doses (100 to 150mg/ml vs. 500mg in 2ml)?
    That is going to make a difference.

    I've been doing this for 13 years now and I've never had an abscess. That doesn't mean I or you won't get one on our next injection, but that is a lot of experience.

    I've seen some pretty fat guys in my life, but most of them still have very little fat on their quad. I could definately get IM with a insulin needle in my quad, but I use 1/2" needles, not 5/16.
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  6. DragonRider, do you inject into vastus lateralis or rectus femoris? I have been using the vastus lateralis with good success; seems to be less fat on quads than delts. Might start using quads more often.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    Are they talking about injecting TRT doses or steroid doses (100 to 150mg/ml vs. 500mg in 2ml)?
    That is going to make a difference.

    I've been doing this for 13 years now and I've never had an abscess. That doesn't mean I or you won't get one on our next injection, but that is a lot of experience.

    I've seen some pretty fat guys in my life, but most of them still have very little fat on their quad. I could definately get IM with a insulin needle in my quad, but I use 1/2" needles, not 5/16.
    Both TRT and cycle doses. Lots of guys warning against anything "oil/slin pin" related. Many couldn't believe that I could even push oil through a 30g pin. They don't realize the pressure that the plunger in the slin pin creates.
    Looks like I'm gonna have to grab some 1/2" pins and see what happens. I've never done a delt shot, but that may be next on my list.

  8. When injecting subQ with slin pins, you're suppossed to pinch up the skin and inject into the pinched fat. When you guys say you are injecting into your quads, delts, etc., are you pinching up the skin or just pinning it right in? I've been doing a proper subQ inject on my quads 2xWeek. Why can't I just use a slin pin and inject into my glute without pinching. It doesn't matter if it's subQ or IM does it?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jdub1980 View Post
    DragonRider, do you inject into vastus lateralis or rectus femoris? I have been using the vastus lateralis with good success; seems to be less fat on quads than delts. Might start using quads more often.
    Vastus lateralis. I can do a deep IM in my shoulders with a slin pin. I have zero fat on my shoulders.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Pinner View Post
    When injecting subQ with slin pins, you're suppossed to pinch up the skin and inject into the pinched fat. When you guys say you are injecting into your quads, delts, etc., are you pinching up the skin or just pinning it right in? I've been doing a proper subQ inject on my quads 2xWeek. Why can't I just use a slin pin and inject into my glute without pinching. It doesn't matter if it's subQ or IM does it?
    I don't pinch. On the other hand, many of us inject in the quads because we can see it. It's easier. I can't turn around far enough to inject in my own glute.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    I don't pinch. On the other hand, many of us inject in the quads because we can see it. It's easier. I can't turn around far enough to inject in my own glute.
    OK. My 1/2" slin pins are on the way. Let's give this another shot (no pun intended). I have to inject .75 CC total twice per week. You think the entire .75 CC can go in one spot? Or should I do the .5 CC Test in one spot and the .25 CC Deca in another?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JohninAZ View Post
    I have to inject .75 CC total twice per week. You think the entire .75 CC can go in one spot? Or should I do the .5 CC Test in one spot and the .25 CC Deca in another?
    Yes, most men are injecting 1cc each time so .75 is not going to be a problem. I'm assuming you go through an antiaging clinic to get deca prescribed?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    Yes, most men are injecting 1cc each time so .75 is not going to be a problem. I'm assuming you go through an antiaging clinic to get deca prescribed?
    Yes, no way my own doctor would prescribe that. Don't want to go underground. The Deca is just enough to lube the joints...nothing crazy.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by JohninAZ View Post
    Yes, no way my own doctor would prescribe that. Don't want to go underground. The Deca is just enough to lube the joints...nothing crazy.
    I wish the medical community would recognize that as a legitimate use. I would love to use it for that.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by DragonRider View Post
    I wish the medical community would recognize that as a legitimate use. I would love to use it for that.
    Me too, this way maybe my insurance would cover it! It's nice to run a small dose though. Shoulders don't get all "knotted up" like they used to. Not as much anyway.
    Coming from a compounding pharmacy is reassuring as well. No worries about dirty underground gear.

  16. I just found an anti aging website our of Florida that is prescribing EVERYTHING!! Deca, anavar, test, etc

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Presa View Post
    I just found an anti aging website our of Florida that is prescribing EVERYTHING!! Deca, anavar, test, etc
    Go for it. Did you call them?

  18. OK. Got my 1/2 " slin pins in and did my TRT injection today. .5 cc Test Cyp and .25 Deca. Broke it up into 2 slin pins and did one in each quad. Don't know if I hit the muscle, but we'll see. I buried that 1/2" and even pushed on it further as I injected. Drawing took forever, but I'm in no hurry. 29G 1/2" .

  19. Seems to have worked. No issues the day after.

  20. This insulin pin route is slick!!!!!! Why isnt this the norm for HRT? This method eliminates the chief complaint of injections which is the "ups and downs" between shots!! I'm injecting 10units PER DAY alternating shoulders and quads which adds up to my 1/2cc every five days per my doctors order.

    It's so fast and painless its hilarious. It took longer to rub on that Testim crap than it does to pull 10 units into the pin and inject!!!!!! I cant believe so many doctors go to school for a decade, and then people on this board have to educate them.......................... .........

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Presa View Post
    This insulin pin route is slick!!!!!! Why isnt this the norm for HRT? This method eliminates the chief complaint of injections which is the "ups and downs" between shots!! I'm injecting 10units PER DAY alternating shoulders and quads which adds up to my 1/2cc every five days per my doctors order.

    It's so fast and painless its hilarious. It took longer to rub on that Testim crap than it does to pull 10 units into the pin and inject!!!!!! I cant believe so many doctors go to school for a decade, and then people on this board have to educate them.......................... .........
    I still don't know whether I went into the muscle or not. I'm no fat ass but I'm 6'3" 255 pounds. No complications though, so I'll be using this method again.

  22. OK. Just slammed the whole .75 CC (.5 Test C and .25 Deca) into one quad with the 29G 1/2 incher. Last time broke it up into both quads...today all in one shot. I'll update if anything crazy happens.

  23. You're not going to have any problems. I have been using this method for over a month now and am very pleased. This method has got to be much safer than sticking yourself with a large gauge 1"-1.5" needle every couple of days. Plus it's completely painless.

  24. terrible of me to revive a very old thread i know, but thought i could get some advice
    i did my first trt injection today... in the quad (vl) and used a 1/2" 29g bd insulin syringe. it took awhile to draw and inject and was 100% pain free. i dont mind the time waiting.. not a big deal.
    what did freak me out was after the injection was complete and i pulled the needle out (i pulled very quickly), the needle was bent about 45 degrees! no idea if it bent during the pull out or during the injection... nothing hurt, so i honestly have no clue what happened.
    is this common? happen to anyone else? any danger?

  25. I couldn't imagine using anything smaller than a 25 gauge. It would just be soooo slooooww.

    If you're doing 0.5 CC for TRT, just get a 23 or 25g and learn to hit the ventrogluteal site. It's so easy it's ludicrous. Also get something at least 1-1.5" IMO. That way you can leave a little bit of needle available just in case it breaks. And yes, they do break! If it breaks off inside and there is no neck to grab onto, expect a small surgical procedure.
    "I'm not fat, I'm big boned!"

  26. I use 25g, but for some reason they won't aspirate like the 20g and 23g would. Not sure why this is, they're BD Eclipse 25gx1". My 25g 5/8" always aspirated with no problem. The Eclipse won't aspirate no matter how how far you pull back on the plunger, I just always hope I haven't hit a vein hehe

  27. Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    I couldn't imagine using anything smaller than a 25 gauge. It would just be soooo slooooww.

    If you're doing 0.5 CC for TRT, just get a 23 or 25g and learn to hit the ventrogluteal site. It's so easy it's ludicrous. Also get something at least 1-1.5" IMO. That way you can leave a little bit of needle available just in case it breaks. And yes, they do break! If it breaks off inside and there is no neck to grab onto, expect a small surgical procedure.
    srs? i just tried to break the needle on a 29g bd insulin syringe by bending it back and forth with a set of pliers... several bends and it didnt break. so... yeah i dunno. maybe will lower quality needles?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by sumradagnoth View Post
    srs? i just tried to break the needle on a 29g bd insulin syringe by bending it back and forth with a set of pliers... several bends and it didnt break. so... yeah i dunno. maybe will lower quality needles?
    I've been in interventional radiology procedures for the explicit purpose of retrieving needles. lol
    "I'm not fat, I'm big boned!"

  29. Quote Originally Posted by trn450 View Post
    I've been in interventional radiology procedures for the explicit purpose of retrieving needles. lol
    Holy **** I don't understand how someone could break a needle off in themselves. And wouldn't the needle keep working itself deeper until it was retrieved?

  30. This discussion is making me squinch up. That's a Southern word, I think...
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