young male low test need help

soccer87

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Hey guys just want to give you some info on my past. when i went off to college at 18 i started using prohormones. 1/ad 4a/d first then about a year later i did a superdrol cycle. i was then 20 years old and although i did a pct of nolva i felt like **** shortly after. I realized at the time it was stupid but i guess i never really thought it could mess me up that bad at the time. for the following year and a half i went through these problems, i went from 230lbs to 190 (about the same bodyfat so i fig i lost about 34lbs of muscle), loss of sex drive and feeling of drive in general, i went from having lots of strength and energy to feeling "lazy" and "blahhish" i had never injured myself the previous 21 years even though i played sports year round through high school and into college but all of the sudden that changed, ive sprained my ankle about 6 times in the last 3 years and my shoulders and back range from sore to hurting.So after seeing all of the signs of low test i went to a doc and told him my story,symptoms and suspicions. The labs come back and sure enough my test was 400 at the age of 22 though i cant remember the free test (im currently getting those labs back again now.) i thought ok i was right, now what can we do, he said here is some antidepressant meds. i asked him how those would increase my energy/strength/sexdrive etc....he basically says nothing. i lost my insurance after that and have just gotten used to feeling like a 60 year old man the last year and a half but i am getting insurance back in a couple weeks. In the past year i have been practically anal about my diet, get plenty of sleep, lifting, and have changed myself to have a positive attitude try and raise my test to its maximum natural cappabilities.I am much more mature and knowledgable about my health then when i was built at 230 and yet i cant make gains or progress in any of my problems. I have finally decided that i get one shot at life and being young and i am sick of feeling like an old man with little to no interest in sex, no focus or attention. i literally get tired for like 40 seconds if i do a quick climb of the stairs. I need a doctor to take me seriously and find a way to get my test up to around 700-800 where i am sure it used to be. i was always built, now everyone asks why i am so small and my brother has an 8 pack and is ripped. please help
 

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has anyone had similar problems/feelings from past prohormone use? what did you do for a doctor/treatment. I this is supposed to be the time of my life i enjoy being young and honestly there is times im at the gym and just feel like crying because my strength and energy sucks balls, though i push myself through workouts and try and focus on getting better. I also got prescribed adderall which i take like 4-5 days a week at 20mg otherwise i feel like a zombie all day and i literally am in a dream all day losing focus on things 20 seconds in. I want to feel like i did 3 years ago guys.
 

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I have compassion for you man. I've been there before too. Test was coming in around the 300's while I was only 21 years old. I believe mine was from alcohol abuse desensitizing my testicles to LH. I went from about 195lbs and lean to a lean 168. People who hadnt seen me for awhile would casually bring up the question, "So you still workin out man?" Made me furious inside because yes I was still working hard but had lost so much mass. I think I was still stronger than most of these people who probably had test in the 900's but just didnt work out. Made me so mad. I would suggest bringing some literature pertaining to normal testosterone levels in healthy young men your age. And tell him exactly how you feel!! Tell him you dont want the levels of a 60-70 year old. You are young and want to feel young like you should and are rightly entitled! If he says any more crap tell him his treatment is completely unacceptable to you. Remember you're paying him! He is comprising your well being as a young man. Let him get the feeling that your pissed. This is what I did. Now I am seeing an endocrinologist. And am on 150mgs test cypionate a week. Feel waaaay better than I did. You could try some herbal stuff like vitrix(which I believe is one of the better products personally) for a month or so and then get some more blood work. Or you could opt for injections ,transdermals, or possibly HCG. Best of fortune my man. Any questions just ask
 

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thanks tyler i appreciate your support and its good talking to someone going through similar issues.
i have my results from the time(almost 2 years ago so i def want to get new ones when i find a specialist)
estradiol-30
% free testosterone-1.69% they say range 1.5-2.2%
total test 415 range 300-1100
t3 free 361 range 230-420

anyone with experience on the "numbers" want to help me out. the doctor said since my free test is in the range the total test "doesnt matter" esp because its in range also. I even explained i read everywhere it should be more around 800 esp because i looked this up because of feelings and symptoms. they only offered some herbal crap or antidepressents. ive tried test boosters, even the erase titanium stack. no help

the study in mens hormonal health puts me in the lowest 5% of the test subjects under 25 years old with the avg overall test of the subjects being 700 and i know i eat and live healthier the 90% of the people i know.

does anyone have a recomendations for a doc or specialist in or around chicago?
 

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No problem soccer. Sad to say it, but alot of doctors lack patient empathy. I would do a google search for Chicago+TRT doctor or Chicago+TRT clinic and see what you find. My doctor told me the same thing, "Well your free test is fine" but dude, when they say total test doesnt matter, they are TOTALLY wrong. I didn't start feeling better and regaining lost muscle mass until I was in the 800's+ range. Gotta be agressive with these docs and tell them exactly what you want and not settle for less! It is their duty and obligation to give you excellent healthcare, but forcing a young man to feel as though he is a 60-70 year old man trapped in a mid 20's body (that's how I felt) is absolute negligence! Dont hesitate to tell him something like this!
 

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I would tell him that if he isnt willing to help you, your going to get a different doctor. It is your right to do so. Have you only had your testosterone levels checked? I would get bloodwork for everything possible to rule out any other problems or find the root of the problem. Just hang in there man...things will get better, dont worry so much. There ARE doctors out there that will help someone in need.
 

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ya i got a complete bloodwork downe, thyroid was normal, cortisol and that was all good. the only thing was test was 410 and free test was 1.69% (not sure how good that is for someone who is 21). i appreciate the info. What really pissed me off in the last year and a half of just dealing with it and getting "used" to it is theres a that went to my school who decided she wants to be a guy and is getting hormone injections! Apparently its very common for people to get hormones for a sex change but impossible for a young man to have his test levels at his natural level. :/
 
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bump 4 more recom/docs
Dr's are complete idiots when it comes to this type of stuff. Since you are near michagen it may be worth a trip to see Dr Crisler who is in michagen.
 
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anybody with insurance went to him?
Hes out of pocket, but it may be worth it for all the agony you save in the long run..
 

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i def cant afford out of pocket. there has to be someone in the chicago area who has dealt with this sort of thing before and can help me out(and takes insurance.) finding a good doc is about as hard as solving my problem
 
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i def cant afford out of pocket. there has to be someone in the chicago area who has dealt with this sort of thing before and can help me out(and takes insurance.) finding a good doc is about as hard as solving my problem
No one I know that is any descent who takes insurance in that area or I would know of them and be glad to refer you.We have several patients that come from illinois are fly to come see us because there is no one knowledgeable out there. You have to look at it long term and that you can not put a price tag on your health by nickle and diming dr's which jerk you around. Would you rather spend a few hundred bucks to get proper health or being screwed with idiot dr's for 6 months to a years still feeling like crap? I do not see it a no brainer.
 
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Not all docs lack empathy. The problemn is that prescribing of hormone replacment is watched very closely and therefore docs have to be very cautious about prescribing it. If you are not legitimately hypogonadal (meaning outside of the low range of their tests) then they are not going to prescribe. Even if you are outside of the normal range but you are young then they are likely going to exhaust every possible cause before prescribing becuase they have to cover their ass. Lastly, if you are carrying more then the average amount of muscle mass or are showing signs of AAS use then they are likely not going to prescribe to you, period. They are not looking to put you in what you consider to be the "optimal" range of free or total test but back into the norml range since that is what the medical establishment considers "normal". Right, wrong or indifferent. The same government that prosecutes steroid dealers/users is also breathing down docs necks making sure they don't prescribe outside of guidelines. Hopefully as the number of "low T" commercials n the TV increases it will become easier for people who actually need this medication to get it.
 
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AS stated before.
Find out why your levels are low and explore all options before adventuring on TRT. With patients/clients I will rule out every possiblity based upon each individual case. If after 8-12 weeks they are not responding to specific protocol then it is time to move them to the next level which would be TRT or some form of HRT.
 

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i'd say its low mainly because of past prohormone use. For the last year and a half i have stopped eating fast food, cut back on drinking drastically, get plenty of healthy fats (and take fish oil), i get plenty of sleep, and most importantly i have a positive outlook vs. a negative attitude about the whole thing. the problem is as time goes by its the chances of being able to do a restart prolly diminish greatly
 
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i'd say its low mainly because of past prohormone use. For the last year and a half i have stopped eating fast food, cut back on drinking drastically, get plenty of healthy fats (and take fish oil), i get plenty of sleep, and most importantly i have a positive outlook vs. a negative attitude about the whole thing. the problem is as time goes by its the chances of being able to do a restart prolly diminish greatly
Due to person biochemistry fish oils can be toxic to. The body can end up storing them and not burning them resulingt in actuallly suppressing LH production and signaling.
 

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true but honestly lets face it the human body can handle a lot. if i am living a lifestyle thats healthier then 80% of people i should not have these problems. my test at 21 years old was in the lowest 5% of men under 25
 
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true but honestly lets face it the human body can handle a lot. if i am living a lifestyle thats healthier then 80% of people i should not have these problems. my test at 21 years old was in the lowest 5% of men under 25
I was a prime example of pushing the human body to the limit. I ate super lean lived the healthiest lifestlye any one around in my area but completely unbalanced resulting in immune system imbalance opening my body up to a parasitic infection. Now 7 years later $70,000 in the hole from incompetent Drs. I have taken matters in my own hands learning the human body at whole other level then taught in medical school. What looked as a curse turned into a blessing with all the information and personal expereince of how to avoid road blocks to get ones wellness back in reasonable amount of time. So at age of 21 you should have looked at reason why then the prohormones where just the final nail in the coffin. It could have just been genetic predisposed. Look at it this way you are having mid life crisis at age of 25 vs 50 !! When you are older you will already have jump on other people your age. The funnniest thing is that the people that mocked me for being sick, it all being in my head mainly my freinds are now patients or clients LOL
 
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LOL you arent a doctor though LOL
Some of the people out there that are capable of helping people do not have to be. I am not a Dr but being a researcher for Drs, ND's is much more promising.. I would rather work on autistic, lyme, mercury, chronic fatigue, and dysboisis cases which are more challenging then simple hormone imbalances. I have refined things in the past few years due to a more scientific base having much more clincal expereince. With medical field every thing changes, new information every day.
 

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