HcG Monotherapy = Test Cyp Booster for Injury Recovery
- 10-07-2008, 05:10 AM
HcG Monotherapy = Test Cyp Booster for Injury Recovery
So. I asked this before, without any responses.
I just had 3 surgeries. 2 on my shoulders, clavicular resection and SLAP repairs on each side, torn rotator cuff on one side, and ulnar nerve transposition on one side.
I have been doing PT aggressive, and, so far, limited to home exercise. Fortnately, I've maintained most of my size, even though I've been lifting VERY light, without any real chest work -- just chair push ups.
I'd like to speed up the recovery, and I understand getting more water into the joint can help this, as can increased T levels. I am not interested in deca. I figured that taking 50 mgs of test cyp per week on top of my 1k IUs E3D hCG may help. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea what this may do to the t production from my testes -- whether the exogenous T will militate against the hCG effects. Anyone have any ideas. My doc didn't seem to know though, admittedly, he's not that familiar with hCG. I dont want to increase my hCG dose because of E2 issues.
So, bottom line, will the small T Cyp dosage undermine what was hCG monotherapy via a feedback loop. I've never read of anone doing this. Typically, I only hear of taking both under the Cristler protocol, which didn't work nearly as well for me as hCG monotherapy.
Any thoughts from the experienced?
- 10-07-2008, 09:11 PM
Had both rotator cuffs done at different times.
About adding testosterone to your hcg.
#1 I do not think you will shut down your testis as long as you are using HCG.
Why are you considering additional testosterone?
I am assuming that on current (1k IUs E3D hCG) you are not producing enough testosterone to get your FreeT and BAT where you want/need them.
I would say if E2 is not a factor, call your HCG days a Day#3 and do this:
Day#3 1000iu HCG
If you have to use more than 1mg/week of Arimidex,
I would back down on HCG to 750 or 500 or 250
and use HCG dose that results in you needing (0.5-0.75)mg/week of Arimidex or even less.
If you find out that you are missing on FreeT than just crank up size of testosterone shot.
Do blood draws 48hrs after T shot.
FreeT from chart or proper test at Quest.
Do not get unnecesarily upset if you cant stay on HCG mono-theraphy, just do what works best for you.
But do not push too much.
I had broken distal biceps surgery Aug6/08, sucks too.
- 10-07-2008, 10:08 PM
Free T and Bio T are already in upper 1/3 of range. I was hopinh to push them to the top with 50 mgs pf T cyp per week. If my E2 climbs a little, that's okay, as I am in no condition to be having sex in any event, and the extra water can actually help the healing, so I have read.
10-07-2008, 11:28 PM
10-08-2008, 02:43 AM
10-08-2008, 10:46 AM
Even if you are just (honestly) hitting upper 1/3 of range on FreeT and BAT, that is already rather decent level.
Possibly you should just leave this part alone.
Depending where you are on
Page 79, Dr Tierry Hertoghe book, IGFBP-3, if more than 4mg/L then too much somatomedin C is bound to IGFBP-3,
if more than 4mg/L indicate need for HGH
Insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) was once called somatomedin C, levels under 150mcg/l indicate defficiency in GH(page 78 Hertoghe)
When using HGH dr Hertoghe is using minute amounts plus time, so it have a time to work.
Susan Sommers is using larger amounts because of (to support) her fight with breast cancer, still her dose is very small comparing to what you would see being used by BB.
that cost probably around $200/year
Suzan is using 0.08mg/day (page 66 Breakthru) probably about $2000/year
Hertoghe used to use 1iu/day and eventually started getting side effects from it, problems with hands and feet.
Since I broke my distal biceps tendon, I am concerned with healing process.
Investigating possibility of prolotheraphy.
I talked with Dr. Edward Magaziner,
Prolotheraphy is not indicated for healing after surgery.
But it is good in case of strains, injuries, arthritis.
$500/session, few sessions need, insurance does not pay.
Similar in appearence to patient, but totally different principle, stem cell theraphy, additional $200/session,
also (he was not real sure about it) not applicable to speed healing.
I left office with bottle of pills
Stem Cell nutrition
so it is version of stem cell theraphy in the pills.
Went to my TRT doctor (russian), healing question:
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I use all of the above except HGH, everything heals real fine, but I do not push on physical theraphy.
I am still little bit ahead of what my surgeon expected.
Probably he just wants to make me feel good, so hi is bs-ing me.
My IGF=150 (here I would barely qualify, or not)
IGFBP-3=4.6 (that is 0.6 too much, so if I pushed I could qualify for HGH)
I have a cancer in my thigh, liposarcoma, I plan on contacting dr Herthoge on topic of HGH/liposarcoma.
He often supports using HGH in patients with cancer.
Actually he supports using Testosterone for men with operated PC.
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10-10-2008, 04:40 AM
10-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Day#1 T shot
the theory is that HCG
#1 keeps testicles in good shape
#2 raises T production on the end of 7day cycle where the T shot is wearing down.
I would assume that what you are planning will raise you T levels.
10-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Thanks Jans. But I would imagine that under Dr. John's plan, the hCG largely serves to maintain testicular volume I still don't know what would happen if I add T cyp:
1) Will it actually increase free and bioavailable T, or will it reduce the effectiveness of the production from my testes (from the hCG) such that free and bioavailable T remain the same; and
2) When I stop the supplemental T, will the hCG be as effective, or would I have to do some kind of PCT.
I am hoping someone can speak from experience, or a deep medical understanding. I've never heard of anyone being on a high dose of hCG and adding a small dose of T. Seems like unchartered territory.
10-18-2008, 12:37 AM
personally, i have used hcg(500IU ED) in conjunction with IM injection of 50-150mg T Enanthate, and found that after i stop the exogenous T source, i feel no psychological void from the loss of the exogenous T source. hcg has so many other benefits other than simply raising your T levels. I rank its ability to increase endo T production shadows in comparison to its ability to stimulate the other hormone pathways like PREG, p450, cortisol, and PROG. im to lazy to look it up, but isnt there a study that is frequently cited to give ammo to the claim that hcg can stimulate testes to produce T, even in an environment of an exogenous caused secondary hypogonadism?
I like jansz recommendation of simply slightly/moderately reducing your hcg dosage to accommodate for supplementing with endo T.
10-20-2008, 07:55 PM
Thanks fellas. I am reluctant to drop hCG and add Test. as I don't want to compromise the strides I've already made. Applying that same logic, I assume I should leave well enough alone. I so badly want to accelerate the healing, as it is terribly difficult to sleep when you have pain in both shoulders (from open surgery on each over the last 6 weeks).
11-28-2008, 07:15 PM
07-19-2012, 12:53 AM
Stay out of the weight room. GHO-Rhelin (sermorelin, ghrp2, ghrp-6) and swimming, or treading water will heal you faster and safely. I'm in the same situation but with a neck injury.
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